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How will artists get paid in 'darknet' era? (digital fascism)
Chicago Tribune ^ | March 25, 2009 | Greg Kot

Posted on 04/02/2009 11:20:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise

According to some people who are paid lots of money to think about these sorts of things, the legal, ethical and economic questions facing the music business aren’t just about preserving the livelihoods of people who work in that industry. No, the very future of democracy is at stake....

At the heart of the debate is how to license peer-to-peer sharing of music files, widely blamed for the huge drop in sales of recorded music this decade. Sandy Pearlman, a veteran producer and McGill University professor, and entertainment lawyer Dina LaPolt raised the specter of a “darknet,” in which information and goods are shared in a closed virtual market that can neither be regulated nor monitored.

“The ‘darknet’ is here, with networking in corners of the Net where people can hide what they’re doing” and therefore not be held accountable for their actions, LaPolt said. These networkers are “part of a generation that grew up knowing only about a world of instant gratification and endless choice...”

“Social networks always start in anarchy,” said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters Guild of America. But he warns that if property rights aren’t respected and laws are being broken, the government will have to crack down and impose a new form of Web “tyranny.”

When the government starts putting the screws on rogue Internet traffickers, “You won’t be able to get on the network unless you have total identification,” including finger-printing and complete background information, Carnes asserted...

The anonymity afforded by the Internet “deprives us [songwriters] of the ability to make a living,” he said. “We’re on the frontier of this issue. How we solve it will define the future of democracy.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; darknet; filesharing; lping; privacyrights; riaa; songwritersguild

1 posted on 04/02/2009 11:20:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
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To: a fool in paradise

Does that mean Deputy AG David Ogden won’t be able to surf the internet for child porn?


2 posted on 04/02/2009 11:22:04 AM PDT by exist
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To: 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; Big Guy and Rusty 99; Brian Allen; cgk; ...
The Media Industrial Complex will crack down on your privacy rights, comrade.

“Social networks always start in anarchy,” said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters Guild of America. But he warns that if property rights aren’t respected and laws are being broken, the government will have to crack down and impose a new form of Web “tyranny.”

"revolution is good" (to seize power). I loathe the Left.

3 posted on 04/02/2009 11:22:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: exist

All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.


4 posted on 04/02/2009 11:23:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: a fool in paradise
“Social networks always start in anarchy,” said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters Guild of America. But he warns that if property rights aren’t respected and laws are being broken, the government will have to crack down and impose a new form of Web “tyranny.”

These maggots think the internet is all about them!
I hope they get smacked down hard but 0bomo has very nasty RIAA lawyers coming onboard his administration and one from the Software Alliance

5 posted on 04/02/2009 11:26:23 AM PDT by dennisw (0gabe the Kenyan subprime president)
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To: a fool in paradise
How will artists get paid in 'darknet' era?

Through giving live performances, same as they did in the era before recordings. Recorded music is becoming a free commercial for the live performance.

6 posted on 04/02/2009 11:27:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: a fool in paradise
“part of a generation that grew up knowing only about a world of instant gratification and endless choice...”

corporate lawyer singing the tune it suits him to sing.

Art will probably IMPROVE. Art used to be about communication of new ideas, not about selling sex & crap like it is now.

Back in the day there were CONSERVATIVE artists. In fact most artists 150-200 years ago, while still basically liberal, were a lot more honest in their creativity than the leftbots of today.

Viva la revolution, IMTHO
7 posted on 04/02/2009 11:27:39 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: a fool in paradise
"darknet?"


8 posted on 04/02/2009 11:27:47 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: a fool in paradise
At the heart of the debate is how to license peer-to-peer sharing of music files, widely blamed for the huge drop in sales of recorded music this decade.

That, and sucky music...

9 posted on 04/02/2009 11:28:26 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Let's get to altering or abolishing!)
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... the government will be enlisted to preserve copyright law with the type of Draconian measures reserved for police states ... "You won’t be able to get on the network unless you have total identification,” including finger-printing and complete background information.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
10 posted on 04/02/2009 11:28:32 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ShadowAce

ping


11 posted on 04/02/2009 11:32:09 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Onelifetogive
Toss on top of that internet reviews so you have opinions other than magazines that are part of the music industry, the ability to preview at least parts of songs and the ability to buy the one or two good tracks for $1 instead of having to buy the entire album for $15.
12 posted on 04/02/2009 11:32:51 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obama: removing the speed limit on the Road to Serfdom)
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To: a fool in paradise
“Social networks always start in anarchy,” said Rick Carnes, president of the Songwriters Guild of America. But he warns that if property rights aren’t respected and laws are being broken, the government will have to crack down and impose a new form of Web “tyranny.”

Who knew that songwriters were capitalists, and are now turning into fascists?

13 posted on 04/02/2009 11:34:18 AM PDT by AZLiberty (I hope Obama changes.)
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To: AZLiberty

I don’t recall the bands that played Woodstock agreeing to play “a free concert” for free. Nope, they encouraged the crowd to enjoy the free concert and still demanded their contracted payments.


14 posted on 04/02/2009 11:36:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: a fool in paradise

...and some thirteen year old will figure out how to get around all the security precautions that are thrown up around the ‘net, nature abhors a vacuum.


15 posted on 04/02/2009 11:40:57 AM PDT by The Louiswu (I live vicariously, through myself.)
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To: a fool in paradise
"widely blamed for the huge drop in sales of recorded music this decade"

And here I thought it was just because of all the CRAP that they have been trying to peddle.

16 posted on 04/02/2009 11:47:52 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: a fool in paradise
In the late 1990’s I heard an angry Garth Brooks say any music store that sold used compact discs would no longer be allowed to sell Brooks’ products. I realized then country music had come a long way from the honky tonk.
17 posted on 04/02/2009 11:53:03 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
In the late 1990’s I heard an angry Garth Brooks say any music store that sold used compact discs would no longer be allowed to sell Brooks’ products. I realized then country music had come a long way from the honky tonk.

Could you imagine the auto makers campaigning to stop the second-hand auto market? ha!

18 posted on 04/02/2009 11:58:57 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I've visited a few used CD stores. The "used" rack is full of the stuff nobody wants. It arrived there after someone paid money for garbage. The used CD rack is a delayed transit to the trash can.
19 posted on 04/02/2009 12:00:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
[The “used” rack is full of the stuff nobody wants. . .]

I know. A friend of mine owns a pawn shop. He has a display of used CD’s. Many of the artists are unknown. But when the used CD market first appeared some people in the industry panicked.

20 posted on 04/02/2009 12:09:35 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: a fool in paradise
The anonymity afforded by the Internet “deprives us [songwriters] of the ability to make a living,” he said.

 

 

You would think that songwriters had no way of making a living before Edison



21 posted on 04/02/2009 12:13:46 PM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21

Actually when recorded songs came out, you didn’t have to pay the songwriter per copy, the money was in sheet music.

Same with people singing songs on stage.

Sheet music was like 50cents per song (that was a lot of money 120 years ago).

They would encourage you to make their songs popular so that more people would buy the sheet music.

After nearly 100 years, the music industry is demanding that radio stations pay for music.


22 posted on 04/02/2009 12:17:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Sheet music was like 50cents per song

From what I heard modern artist don't make much more than that with a CD .Most of the money goes to the suits.

I read a biography on Ben Franklin that went into copyright infringement in his day ( apparently there was a lot of it ) and IIRC Mark Twain made most of his money touring.

23 posted on 04/02/2009 12:34:19 PM PDT by grjr21
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To: grjr21

50cents a CD, not per song...


24 posted on 04/02/2009 12:38:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: grjr21

According the book Bootleg, The Other Music Industry, America did not originally respect European copyrights.


25 posted on 04/02/2009 12:39:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: a fool in paradise
I support the criminal prosecution of those who steal intellectual property.

All of them.

It is, truly, the basis of our free market...those who create must be able to reap the benefits of their creation.

27 posted on 04/02/2009 2:40:12 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Hell, yes. To the dungeons with librarians. Government thieves!
Burn the libraries now!
Laura, we know where you live.


28 posted on 04/02/2009 6:24:15 PM PDT by Bandit1200
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To: a fool in paradise

I can think of a much better reason music sales have gone to heck in the last decade. For about 15 years before then, the greatest music advertising service that ever existed was created.

It was called “Music Television”, and it was extremely popular, airing videos featuring the music of hundreds of musicians and performers. The average Music Television view could name 10 or 20 different musicians and performers they had seen on television. It caused explosive growth in pop music, and made enormous sums of money for the music industry.

Today, only a tiny percentage of people could name *any* new artists, even though they still remember those that were performing in the 1980s and early 1990s.

So what happened? Why did Music Television go away? A strong possibility is that the music industry was so amazingly greedy, that they couldn’t stand the idea of anyone making any money off of “their” property.

Note, I didn’t say “musicians or performers”. Because as far as the music industry is concerned, they are just “work for hire” minimum wage workers, who deserve nothing more than a small, one off payment for their music, certainly no other rights or royalties. All other profits from anything, for anything, and by anyone, the music industry wanted and want for themselves.

Even if it gave the music industry millions of dollars of free advertising.

So the music industry demanded huge sums of money from Music Television, for the honor of giving the music industry millions of dollars in free advertising. And the Music Television company refused.

And that was the end of Music Television. Instead, they just became “MTV”, which just stands for “MTV”, and not music, and they run endless amounts of insipid and mediocre programming. But little or no music videos.

Which is a great pity, and denies the public information about new artists and performers. So not knowing about them otherwise, they only find out about them via the Internet, with major performers being as unimportant as somebody’s garage band.

It didn’t have to be this way. But that’s the way it is.


29 posted on 04/02/2009 6:49:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Bandit1200
Your sarcasm makes no sense.

Libraries PURCHASE everything that they lend and offer to read...with the exception of allowing un-fettered access to the internet.

And, in those cases it's the USER of the access that's the thief.

Additionally, copyright is not "forever". Even copyright has time limits...and usually long enough to protect the artist.

30 posted on 04/02/2009 7:39:46 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
I support the criminal prosecution of those who steal intellectual property.

It isn't the government's task to scout for violations. It is the copyright holder's. And then you are to take them to court. Big Media should have no super legal powers to snoop on your communications to "inspect" all communications for copyright infractions.

31 posted on 04/03/2009 8:01:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: Mariner
Right now copyright is at 100 years from creation. Longer than the life of the creator. And much of that work from the 1930s that was created was "work for hire", owned by corporations, the creators are dead and their heirs get nothing.

LIMITED copyright was the founding principle of this nation. Big Media writes our laws. The RIAA's top lawyer is now in the Obama Administration. The decisions are already going their way.

Patents are limited too.

32 posted on 04/03/2009 8:04:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: Bandit1200
There were movements in the 1980s to prohibit libraries from lending CDs because you could make a "perfect copy" of albums.

And Garth Brooks and Sony tried to prohibit the used sale of CDs.

If they'd call it "Software" and sell a "license" (agreed to upon opening the package) they COULD prohibit the sale of used merchandise.

Actually, digitial downloads are in the favor of the music industry. People pay $1, $3, $5, $10, $25, $40, $100, $1000, and even $10,000 for rare old records (post WWII, with many post 1960). The artists and the labels see none of that. There is no resale of a digital download.

33 posted on 04/03/2009 8:08:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Pres Obama just spent $150million of the $160million in returned AIG bonuses on a trip to England.)
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To: Mariner
I support the criminal prosecution of those who steal intellectual property.

Should ownership of intellectual property differ in any way from ownership of any other property?

34 posted on 04/03/2009 1:15:13 PM PDT by secretagent
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