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Did Canada's Universal Health Care Kill Natasha Richardson?
American Spectator ^ | March 21, 2009 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 03/21/2009 6:45:53 AM PDT by vadum

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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I fell down in the last ice/snow storm in South Carolina a couple of weeks back. Do you think I’m going to die???
61 posted on 03/21/2009 8:26:12 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: org.whodat

I don’t know. There’s a lot of “static” in this particular communication, because some people are talking about Natasha Richardson specifically, while others are talking about the Canadian health care system in general, and only one appears to be saying that people should be forced to accept medical treatment against their stated wishes.


62 posted on 03/21/2009 8:27:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: Tax-chick

Actually I think most support unlimited free health care. LOL, Now how do you get there!!


63 posted on 03/21/2009 8:29:23 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: Popman

“But the larger question: how many people does Canada’s Universal Health Care Kill???”

That’s a good question because medical statistics won’t necessarily show us a clearcut advantage of the U.S. system. How do you measure unecessary pain, suffering and further medical deterioration (and many times death) when you receive rationed care? You can’t. Stopping such an uncaring system depends on using these unfortunate examples to drive home the fact that rationed care is inferior care.


64 posted on 03/21/2009 8:29:45 AM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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To: org.whodat

Just like most support free Porsches in every driveway.


65 posted on 03/21/2009 8:31:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: vadum

Well, the article fails to make another point. Why do you need a helicopter to take you to a hospital in Montreal? Because the hospital in Quebec is a loser.

The hospital system in Canada is short of basic stuff that we take for granted in American hospitals. I don’t think they have a CAT scanner in the local hospital, and I think there is a long waiting list to have a scan done anywhere.

So, I’d agree that basically she died because she refused medical help. But if she had accepted medical help she probably would have died anyway, because they would have taken her in an ambulance to the local hospital where it is apparently doubtful that anyone would have caught what the problem was in time to fix it.

It would take a sharp doctor to detect the aneurysm, and there would be no way to immediately confirm that that was the problem without just going ahead with the treatment.


66 posted on 03/21/2009 8:33:53 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Exactly. Accidents happen and that’s part of life.


67 posted on 03/21/2009 8:34:44 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
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To: org.whodat
I think most support unlimited free health care.

Don't we all support unlimited free *everything*, in our dreams? And then we wake up and find it just isn't going to happen. (I'm not going to look like Catherine Zeta-Jones, either, no matter how much I spend on makeup.)

The best plan we've got is individual decision making, registered by individual payment.

68 posted on 03/21/2009 8:35:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: mkjessup
The question remains, why did her husband (Liam Neeson) make the decision to have her moved from Quebec to New York?

The question has been answered several times. Her family , mother etc were in New York. That moving her to NY provided an opportunity to say good bye. Also the couple lived in Millbrook, N.Y. I believe she was buried there.

69 posted on 03/21/2009 8:36:47 AM PDT by Snowyman
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To: thesharkboy
I'd be willing to bet that everyone on this forum has bumped his or her head and even felt woozy for a second before coming to and feeling fine afterwards. How many people go to the ER for a little bump on the head? The point is that this was a terrible tragedy and no one seems to be at fault here.

That's a good point that I can relate to personally.
About ten years ago I got rear-ended while stopped in traffic, and my head got smacked on the steering wheel, right on the left temple. It was quite a jolt, and about a half-hour later I felt dizzy and had some slurred speech. I was thinking at the time that I should go get checked out at an ER, but then decided to wait a while and monitor the situation. Dumb!

To make a long story short, everything was fine and all I had the next morning was a slight headache, and no problems since then. If anything like that happens again, however, I'm heading straight to a doctor!
70 posted on 03/21/2009 8:38:00 AM PDT by Deo volente (Freedom ended not with a bang, but with a "stimulus".)
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To: Tax-chick
True, I was just saying that the ideal that anyone can run down and get an MRI at the drop of a hat would bankrupt the system we currently have.
71 posted on 03/21/2009 8:38:05 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: org.whodat

You’re right. There’s no way to have unlimited free everything. We can have rationing by price, which allows people to determine what they value and pay for it, or we can have rationing by government order (and government incompetence, which reduces the total amount of *whatever* that is available). Either way, nobody’s going to get everything they want all the time, and nobody’s going to live forever.


72 posted on 03/21/2009 8:40:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I always expect the worst from the RATS and they always deliver." ~ rrrod)
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To: dfwgator

Every human being - whether citizen or not - has an inalienable right to a free house exactly identical to that of the President of the United States.


73 posted on 03/21/2009 8:45:43 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: vadum

P-ss on the victim’’ comes to ‘’health care’’.


74 posted on 03/21/2009 8:52:09 AM PDT by Waco (Rantover)
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To: Kimmers

All is know is that two children no longer have a mom, a husband no longer has his wife and a mom has to bury her daughter....sad all the way around....
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Yes, a tragedy - who knows the real story and if it could have been prevented or not. I honestly thought the autopsy findings would show an aneurysm or something of the sort, given the initial reports. But as another poster acknowledged, head injuries are tricky.

Anyone who has been through a sudden tragedy knows what the family will endure in the upcoming weeks...my deepest sympathies to them.


75 posted on 03/21/2009 9:00:25 AM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: Islander7

“Short answer, it contributed, no doubt about it. “

She refused treatment multiple times. Hardly something you can blame on any system of medical care.


76 posted on 03/21/2009 9:02:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberalism is Communism, and both are a mental disorder. Grow up.)
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To: org.whodat

Well, if you were in Canada and you went to your doctor, he would schedule your emergency evaluation visit for March 2010. If any care is required, you’ll have to wait until April 2011. That much we do know.


77 posted on 03/21/2009 9:04:50 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: LottieDah

... and the FIRST hospital did nit have a CT scan. The SECOND hospital, 2 1/2 hours away, did.


78 posted on 03/21/2009 9:09:18 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: vadum

I hate socialized medicine, but an ambulance arrived and they were not allowed to even see her, let alone treat her. No matter what type of health care system you have, that kind of behavior is not going to help you.


79 posted on 03/21/2009 9:10:05 AM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: All

One difference I may have missed in the preceding exchange was that in the U.S. if the operator of a ski resort refused aid via medivac of some type - it would be liable for injuries suffered by the injured party. I thought most major ski resorts were prepared for first class medical treatment as skiing has its victims.

So, rather than socialized medicine - corporate medical care which can be involved in lawsuits MAY SAVE MORE LIVES - even if their focus is upon less than Florence Nightingale objectives.

I have injured my head in a face first fall on a cement garage floor...but because I broke my right shoulder, I didn’t not seek attention for the head and neck injury but for the more painful shoulder break...a decision resulting in months of headaches and whiplash I suffered after. Stupid me. I was truly fortunate I did not have a brain bleed.

I will know better if there is a next time for me. I pray I will never have to apply the knowledge.

I am by birth a Canadian and lived under the socialist system of medical care. I now live with the U.S. system legally - by choice and common sense - as we grow older we realize our needs become mandatory if we are to survive our gradual decline in comfort and reasonably good health.

Socialism and medicine are not a healthy combination no matter how the proponents scream it.


80 posted on 03/21/2009 9:18:23 AM PDT by imintrouble
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