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Pawlenty wants Minnesota to test mileage tax
MPR ^ | 3-18-09 | tim nelson

Posted on 03/20/2009 3:35:28 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB

State officials say Minnesota is working on a pilot program to test the idea of charging drivers for each mile they drive. Other states around the country are considering a vehicle mileage tax, as revenues from the gas tax are expected to decline.

(Excerpt) Read more at minnesota.publicradio.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: gps; idiocy; mileage; mileagetax; pawlenty; privacy; rino; spying; tax; taxincrease
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Republican governor says the dumbest thing

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/19/republican-governor-says-the-darnedest-dumbest-thing/

T-Paw has been hanging out with Will Stegar waaayyyy too much.

1 posted on 03/20/2009 3:35:29 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB

We all know about the ‘RATS but it appears as though all the so-called “republicans” have also become taxaholics.


2 posted on 03/20/2009 3:37:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Just being a "U.S. citizen" does not make one an American.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

More reason for American voters to clean house and vote all these POS out of office.


3 posted on 03/20/2009 3:38:42 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Both Pawlenty and Crist can already seriously take their names out of the running for the ‘12 GOP Presidency! In fact, no more RINOs, ever again!


4 posted on 03/20/2009 3:39:23 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; FlingWingFlyer

Well, why the hell not? “We have the technology.”


5 posted on 03/20/2009 3:39:38 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Didn't this loon make McRino's veep short list?
6 posted on 03/20/2009 3:40:06 PM PDT by Zakeet (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Good frickin GRIEF. What a worthless RINO POS


7 posted on 03/20/2009 3:41:09 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

This will go nationwide....MA has been pondering this for awhile.....


8 posted on 03/20/2009 3:41:18 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are soooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Undoubtedly there will be some kinks to be worked out in such a system - but who can object to a method which tries to take advantage of recently developed technology to closely match use of a public facility and payment for the maintenance of that facility? The fuels tax is not a perfect approximation of use (i.e., wear and tear on road infrastructure). It’s not a bad one. Now that actual miles driven is technologically feasible - who’s to say it cannot be a better basis?


9 posted on 03/20/2009 3:42:03 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: ExTexasRedhead
"More reason for American voters to clean house and vote all these POS out of office."

Atsa big 10-4 onat, ExTexasRedhead!!!

10 posted on 03/20/2009 3:42:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Galloping suffocating American Socialism smells like BO!!!)
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To: Zakeet

yep...


11 posted on 03/20/2009 3:42:17 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: rockabyebaby; MplsSteve; Minnesocold

Thanks for the ping, rockabyebaby......

AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I drive 100 miles a day to & from work here in Mn!

Geez!

Tim Paw-thetic - 651-296-3391

Call, call now!


12 posted on 03/20/2009 3:45:23 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Best Cook on Free Republic! ;-))
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
In fact, no more RINOs, ever again!

Well said. I swore after I held my nose and pulled the lever for McCain - NEVER AGAIN!

13 posted on 03/20/2009 3:47:06 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
"Now that actual miles driven is technologically feasible - who’s to say it cannot be a better basis?

I think you're assuming the gas tax is going away somehow. It's not. This is an additional tax that would be levied by the state on top of Fed Gas tax and on top of any state gas tax.

That's the first rule of Democrats - taxes don't go away - ever.

14 posted on 03/20/2009 3:47:13 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Look, idiots. If you are going to tax anything, then tax hours on the engine. Far easier. Far fairer. Less big brotherish.

Why do things the hard way?


15 posted on 03/20/2009 3:48:53 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I have yet seen where anyone has not asked the obvious question. What are you doing with the federal and state tax already assessed?

In Wisconsin, Doyle has raided the highway fund to apply the monies to the general fund. Is that what the fed govt has done also? Is the mileage tax replace the funds looted from the highway accounts? We are sheep.


16 posted on 03/20/2009 3:48:59 PM PDT by burroak
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Tim do yourself a favor and change political parties before you run for governor again.

That way you may have a chance of winning.

17 posted on 03/20/2009 3:49:07 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

just check the odometer at the end of the year during a yearly inspection...

I don’t trust any administration with GPS in our cars not using it to track us.


18 posted on 03/20/2009 3:49:55 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Or, “Stupider than a Gas Tax”


19 posted on 03/20/2009 3:51:28 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you are talking about Zimbabwe money.)
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To: Big_Monkey
That's the first rule of Democrats - taxes don't go away - ever.

Live it, breath it, understand it, and die with it.

Taxes NEVER go away!

The best case scenario is they don't increase as rapidly as anticipated.

20 posted on 03/20/2009 3:52:51 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

If every road is to be a toll road, why do we need the government to run them? Sell them off.


21 posted on 03/20/2009 3:54:39 PM PDT by B Knotts (Worst economy since the Third Punic War)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
...but who can object to a method which tries to take advantage of recently developed technology to closely match use of a public facility and payment for the maintenance of that facility?

Mileage can be tracked using annual odometer checks. Use of stretches roadway can be charged using FastPass type technology. But that's not good enough for these miserable demigods.

These Pols want to use GPS tracking to control and track our every movement - who we visit, where we shop, how fast we drive, where we park, what doctor we use, what political events we attend. This invasion of freedom and privacy must be stopped or we will learn to regret it.

Pawlenty will never get my vote in a national election, nor will anyone else who advocates GPS tracking of private vehicles.

22 posted on 03/20/2009 3:54:48 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: WOBBLY BOB

The one party system has failed.


23 posted on 03/20/2009 3:55:32 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: EGPWS

I’ll send T-Paw this:

Global Warming Ranks Last Among Issues of Concern to Americans

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=42474


24 posted on 03/20/2009 3:56:13 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

First Sanford and his stupid statements and now Pawlenty? Wow, the field is already narrowing for 2012.


25 posted on 03/20/2009 3:56:26 PM PDT by rintense (Go Israel!)
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To: RochesterFan

Enough “conservatives” stayed home rather than vote for McCain, and look what we’ve got...Obama and company.

Has a friend, relative, spouse ever did something you didn’t like? Of course. We should steer the ship rather than abandon it. Democracy has no autopilot. The Founding Fathers never intended that we stop paying attention after we cast our ballot. Even the Founding Fathers had disagreements.


26 posted on 03/20/2009 3:56:46 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

No wonder the Republicans are in trouble. With people like this guy calling themselves Republicans it is a wonder that they can even find their way to work each day. Guess it must be the “perks”.


27 posted on 03/20/2009 3:56:51 PM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

These people are a bunch of idiots.

Just raise the fricking gas tax.

Having said that, IMHO, this has nothing to do with gas taxes and everything to do with monitoring our every move. 1984.


28 posted on 03/20/2009 3:57:05 PM PDT by upchuck (I'm glad I'm old. Thus I can remember when America was a decent, moral, God fearing country.)
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To: B Knotts

that would mean a loss of gubermint union thug jobs


29 posted on 03/20/2009 3:58:20 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Rino-itis. I can forget this turd in two seconds.

What was his name?


30 posted on 03/20/2009 3:59:50 PM PDT by indylindy
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I don’t trust any administration with GPS in our cars not using it to track us.

Don't be gettin' paranoid.

After all, if government were to tote such idea's they could always renege on the privacy of social security identification guarantee's and they haven't done THAT yet....

31 posted on 03/20/2009 4:00:46 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

To bad we cant tax goobermint


32 posted on 03/20/2009 4:01:33 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: indylindy
What was his name?

Willy B. Genuine.

33 posted on 03/20/2009 4:02:40 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Of course, they will then eliminate the fuel tax and get rid of tolls.


34 posted on 03/20/2009 4:03:13 PM PDT by Jay Thomas (A DUmmie I ain't)
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To: EGPWS

nope, never. *sigh*


35 posted on 03/20/2009 4:06:35 PM PDT by indylindy
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To: Jay Thomas
Of course, they will then eliminate the fuel tax and get rid of tolls.

Silly me I thought Minnesota was topic of conversation.

This post J.T. has proved me wrong.

36 posted on 03/20/2009 4:06:59 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
but who can object to a method which tries to take advantage of recently developed technology to closely match use of a public facility and payment for the maintenance of that facility?

The real goal of the government is to get vehicle location tracking data. They really want that for law enforcement, spying on citizens, etc. Assessing a tax based on fuel has the side effect of rewarding people who have high mileage vehicles, and penalizing those whose use of fuel is less efficient. That should be something liberal politicians want - since it would encourage people to conserve fuel, emit less CO2, etc.

By contrast, a tax based on mileage driven doesn't encourage anyone to buy a more fuel efficient car.

What the govt. really wants is an RFID tag on your car, and maybe even a GPS tracker so it can figure out where you are driving, and when you pass particular locations. Think how much money could be made with automatic speeding ticket generation.

37 posted on 03/20/2009 4:09:22 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

Do you really want the .gov tracking your vehicle 24/7? This is an excuse to track people. Squeezing more money out of them is just icing on the cake.


38 posted on 03/20/2009 4:09:32 PM PDT by kamikaze2000
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To: mysterio
The one party system has failed [us voters].
39 posted on 03/20/2009 4:10:41 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Uh, maybe people who beleive the government exists to serve the populace and not the other way around. Are you sure you are on the right forum?

Minnesota has one of the most complex tax codes in the country and one of the largest RINOs running the state. For some reason, they always manage to spend more than allocated — no matter how much money the state brings in.

Do you really think more money will solve the problem? Let's see: Vehicle Sales Tax, Driver's license fees, CDL license tax, Gasoline Tax, Diesel Fuel Tax, User's Tax, User's Use Tax (commercial fuel), Vehicle License & Registration Tax, Trailer Registration Tax, and let's not forget indirect taxation such as Traffic Fines, Recreational Vehicle Tax, Watercraft Registration Taxes, Environmental Compliance Taxes, Property Tax, Sales Taxes, Utility Taxes,Excise Tax and I am sure there a few I have forgotten. Oh and lets not forget that a major percentage of all "transportation" tax goes to "public" transport projects (metro buses and metro light rail.) Why don't you move to Minnesota!

40 posted on 03/20/2009 4:13:22 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

PAWL empty is not a Republican. He’s a conservative democrat.


41 posted on 03/20/2009 4:14:39 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: mylife
To bad we cant tax goobermint

We could but it would be too unethical for us taxpayers to tolerate.

42 posted on 03/20/2009 4:14:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
I’ll send T-Paw this:

"T-Paw" is far too nice, many of us in Minnesota call him "Gov Green Jeans" because of his radical environmentalism.

43 posted on 03/20/2009 4:21:45 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Glenn
Look, idiots. If you are going to tax anything, then tax hours on the engine. Far easier. Far fairer. Less big brotherish. Why do things the hard way?

Our gubmints have far too many ways to tax us now and they collect far too much of the fruits of my labor. And they do so as if I am their slave. No new taxes. None Never again. And gubmint, start eliminating taxes on my income and property. This slave and others are stirring, you gubmints best watch out.

44 posted on 03/20/2009 4:22:57 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I wonder if they’ll tax you for miles driven in other states?

Stupid idea, but I drive a truck and not many miles, so I’d probably be hurt less than the avg joe.


45 posted on 03/20/2009 4:23:10 PM PDT by revtown
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To: WOBBLY BOB

These a##es might as well join the other a##es in Washington. TAX TAX TAX TAX There moving us closer to the wall where there aint no other place to go! It disgusts me to no end!


46 posted on 03/20/2009 4:29:24 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!)
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To: EGPWS
Yeah! And we wonder how Minnesota can elect Stuart Smalley. Your dumb enough, your corrupt enough, and dog gonnit Pawlenty your career just went out the window!
We can only hope.
47 posted on 03/20/2009 4:54:17 PM PDT by Blacksheep (The government's not broke.....they still have checks!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I’ve lost all hope.


48 posted on 03/20/2009 4:54:18 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Zakeet

“Didn’t this loon make McRino’s veep short list?”


We went to bed that night sure that it would be Pawlenty and then woke up the next morning with rumors that McCain might be announcing the Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin.

Before it was confirmed I saw Andrea Mitchell start sounding like she was reporting on a Kennedy state funeral and I knew that it was going to be Palin.

I wanted to scream like a girl but since that is impossible I grunted in a very enthusiastic manner.


49 posted on 03/20/2009 5:04:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: WOBBLY BOB

We’re lost, the politicians want to tax every human activity they happen to notice, and no one is outraged by this.


50 posted on 03/20/2009 5:15:25 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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