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Some Catholics Disappointed in Obama
FoxNews ^ | 3/19/09 | Shannon Bream

Posted on 03/19/2009 7:21:26 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun

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To: Mom MD
I said the Catholic Church.

Yes. Agreed. Christ founded the Catholic Church.

141 posted on 03/20/2009 8:04:17 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: anniegetyourgun
He garnered the majority of Catholic votes in the 2008 election,

What the heck is wrong with Catholics? Is no one concerned about abortion?

142 posted on 03/20/2009 8:05:47 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Petronski

Sorry, the RCC was not founded by Christ any more than any other church that bears His name.


143 posted on 03/20/2009 8:05:57 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD

Why do keep mentioning this RCC? I am talking about the Catholic Church.


144 posted on 03/20/2009 8:07:22 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

Apparently you are the one that has trouble with capitals. Christ founded the LITTLE c catholic church. He did not found the BIG c Catholic or RCC church. THe true Church is the little c catholic church. Again, nice try.


145 posted on 03/20/2009 8:07:45 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD

***Jesus left one true Church, and I am sorry to inform you that is not the catholic church.***

The authority of the Church says that your information is wrong. Do you have another source that says different?

***My authority to declare heresy is that of any believer.***

Individuals do not have the authority to declare heresy. It is the prerogative of the Church itself by definition.

***When I compare doctrine of any church to Gods word, and there is a difference, it is the doctrine, not God;s word that is deficient.***

In other words, you do not have a doctrine. Did you not claim doctrinal purity in a previous post?

***I didn’t want to start this, but you want to push it.***

Deficient claims require rebuttal.

***Heresies such as the worship of Mary, the authority of popes, praying to the saints, the sinless birth of Mary, purgatory, indulgences, placing the tradition of the church on a equal footing as Scripture, etc. ***

I would be interested to know the names of those who worship Mary. The authority of the Popes comes from Jesus. The Theotokos would have to be sinless to bear the Christ. Purgatory is entirely Biblical if one should choose to read the entire Bible. The Tradition of the Church was greater than any Scripture for the first 300 years of the Church since the NT didn’t exist.

***When you can back any of these up with Scripture, I’ll listen. ***

Evidently you have not read the threads in which I have posted on this. The Catholic Church is entirely Biblical. None of the children of the Reformation (or the Baptists which claim privilege) have any such claim.

***Until then they are heresies, or your favorite word - anathema.***

How do you know that this is my favourite word?

***I could go on but you get the idea.***

Please do go on. The babblings of the uneducated are a never ending source of amusement.


146 posted on 03/20/2009 8:08:17 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mom MD
Christ founded the LITTLE c catholic church.

Amazing that you would call the Catholic Church (founded by Christ Himself) 'LITTLE.'

Who are you to judge that?

Sheesh!

147 posted on 03/20/2009 8:08:59 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Petronski

Whatever you call the Catholic church these days. There is a big difference between the Catholic church that is beholden to the Roman Pope and the doctrin of the Catholic church, and the catholic (little c) church that is the true body of all believers.


148 posted on 03/20/2009 8:10:05 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD
My authority to declare heresy is that of any believer.

That small, eh?

149 posted on 03/20/2009 8:10:09 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Mom MD

The Pope is German.

You have some serious factual problems.


150 posted on 03/20/2009 8:11:00 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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***Amazing that you would call the Catholic Church (founded by Christ Himself) ‘LITTLE.’

Who are you to judge that?***

Obviously, her own Pope. It’s nice and neat and comes with a shingle that one can hang on a mall church.


151 posted on 03/20/2009 8:11:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Petronski

There is no other. You may think it is small. Go ahead. But there is the priesthood of all believers, and no believer has any more authority than any other. I am content with how big or small it is. Your authority?


152 posted on 03/20/2009 8:11:56 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: MarkBsnr

Or a little lump of bronze to be rubbed whilst breezing past the mantle in the early morning.


153 posted on 03/20/2009 8:12:11 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Mom MD

***There is a big difference between the Catholic church that is beholden to the Roman Pope and the doctrin of the Catholic church, and the catholic (little c) church that is the true body of all believers.***

How would you define the true body of all believers? What do they all believe in and who defines the beliefs in your opinion?


154 posted on 03/20/2009 8:12:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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There is no other.

Yes. There is but the one Church: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

Not at all. I know that She is universal. You are the one who keeps leaving off the capital letters.

155 posted on 03/20/2009 8:13:40 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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You are either ignorant, which I doubt, or purposely being obtuse. Capitalizing the word catholic changes it dramatically and you know it. Like most who cannot argue with facts, you choose to try to obscure the discussion. I’m done.


156 posted on 03/20/2009 8:14:20 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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What do they all believe in and who defines the beliefs in your opinion?

Behold, the mimeograph:


157 posted on 03/20/2009 8:15:32 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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***Or a little lump of bronze to be rubbed whilst breezing past the mantle in the early morning.***

Might you be referring to the Protestant God who was created in their own image and is kept on the hallway stand and they rub His head for luck when they walk by?


158 posted on 03/20/2009 8:16:04 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Classy. The only problem is I don’t have a Pope, nor do I go to a mall church. The Bride of Christ is not little, but you are purposely trying to obscure the discussion and showing your ignorance or obtuseness in the effort. Good night.


159 posted on 03/20/2009 8:16:17 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Mom MD

There is only the Catholic Church. Christ founded her for our benefit and blessing.

No amount of personal attacks on me can change that.


160 posted on 03/20/2009 8:16:41 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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