Future President Sarah Palin Pals Around with Operating Thetan

Gawker ^ | 3/19/09 | John Cook

[calcowgirl]

>>1993 “Revenue Ruling 78-189, 1978-1 C.B. 68, is obsoleted.”

Where I come from, that's a good thing.

I don't understand your position. It sounds like you saying it is a good thing that Scientologists can claim tax exemptions that no other religious organization is allowed.

[GVnana]

Hmmm. It sounds to me like you’re putting words in my mouth.

[GVnana]

If Coale chooses to support Palin over Obama, why would you have a problem with that?

[calcowgirl]

. It sounds to me like you’re putting words in my mouth.

No, I was asking. That's why I said I didn't understand your statement.

Please clarify.

[calcowgirl]

I wouldn’t have a problem with that.

But that is not what I said.

[Palladin]

Damn, she’s cute!

[GVnana]

See post 93.

[calcowgirl]

I read that before. I still have no idea what you are saying and your post implies something (as I posted) that I don’t think you mean.

So... can you please clarify?

[GVnana]

Hey, my position in these matters is simple. Government has no business poking it's nose into religion. Period. End of story.

Some group violates my pursuit of liberty, that's when I expect protection. But it's not a crime in this country to be eccentric, ritualistic, or bizarre --
Thank God.

I firmly believe the founding fathers wanted us to be free to explore and believe what we choose in relation to our understanding of God and our nature as spiritual beings. How else are we to engage in this discovery?
Public education? /sarcasm>

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

One of the greatest freedoms ever granted individuals. It's supposed to mean something even when you don't agree with those "other guys."

In a time when Islamic terrorists would be happy to cut off your head and burn your children while they're at it -- for the life of me -- I don't understand why people would spend their time vilifying Scientologists.

To me, these critics seem like penny-ante fascists.

(BTW, I happen to know that Scientologists are opposed to the psychiatric drugging of school children and I am 100% in agreement with their position.)

[RummyChick]

ROLFMAO.

How many people have to come forward that were part of the Sea Org before you start to understand the labor abuses and outrageousness of this cult.

Here is just one. They are all liars, eh?

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10031575

You claim it is a good thing that Scientology gets a tax deduction that no one else gets. This violates the US Constitution. The Government has every right to stick their nose into the business of religion when it comes to what is tax deductible. They do not have the right to favor one religion over the other. And that is exactly what has happened. You say that is a good thing.

Very weird.

I guess pedophilia in the name of religion is okay with you , too. Government shouldn't stick their nose into that either, eh?

Uwe Stuckenbrock - VICTIM. Google it. Read his brother's heart wrenching account.

Kyle Brennan - VICTIM. Google it. Read his mother's heart wrenching story and the lawsuit that she has filed.

Read accounts of former OSA operatives that tell what they did to people. For you to say that Scientologists should be able to do whatever they want to people in the name of religion is appalling.

Take a good look at another of the victims of Scientology.:

[calcowgirl]

Thanks for the explanation. As I understand that tax ruling, by “obsoleting” the prior Revenue Ruling, it gave special exemptions, beyond those available to members of other religious organizations, to the Church of Scientology. I know of no other situation where people are allowed to claim as charitable deductions the cost of tuition, as an example. That is why I found your comment so strange (”Where I come from, that’s a good thing.”)

[Axenolith]

Whoa, newbie troll...

Whoa to you Enchiladita dude, speak ill of Virginians at your PERIL! :-)

Merely being a genuine one precludes the label of "noob" or troll, not counting those in areas where Californioma has metastatized...

[RummyChick]

Yes, Windflier can go to his accountant and get tax deductions that no member of any other religion can get.

I don’t really believe SCOTUS will take on this case.

So just one more trampling of the US Constitution.

I hope Windflier thinks about that next time he is doing his taxes..and wonders just what went on behind closed doors to allow this travesty to take place.

My guess.

BLACKMAIL.

I don’t understand how people like Greta Van Susteren can justify it.

[RummyChick]

“The IRS realizes that giving in to Scientology was a mistake, and they don’t want to extend that mistake,” says former IRS commissioner Donald C. Alexander. “The result is most taxpayers are unfairly treated.”

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http://www.nysun.com/national/judges-press-irs-on-church-tax-break/70957/

“The view of the IRS is it can unconstitutionally violate the Constitution by establishing religion, by treating one religion more favorably than other religions in terms of what is allowed as deductions, and there can never be any judicial review of that?” Judge Kim Wardlaw asked at the court session Monday in Pasadena, Calif.

“That is not at all what I said,” a Justice Department lawyer representing the IRS, Ellen Delsole, said.

“That’s the bottom line,” Judge Wardlaw and a colleague on the panel, Harry Pregerson, both replied. “This does intrude into the Establishment Clause,” Judge Wardlaw added.

[Windflier]

I have studied it.

No you haven't. You've "researched" the organization by reading a great deal of slander from its detractors.

You don't appear to know much about the Scientology religion itself. Read some Scientology books before you crucify us, alright?

[RummyChick]

I have read Hubbard. I have listened to Hubbard.

I believe he was batshit crazy. An example is his idea that the Christian God lives in a Trunk with a leopard skin.

WTF???

His son said Hubbard was a “paranoid, schizophrenic megalomaniac”. The FBI thought he was a lunatic.

I know about OTIII. Apparently you don’t. It is impossible to debate Scientology with a Scientologist because they claim everything is a lie even when there is evidence to the contrary. The person who helped put those books in your hands, Jeffrey Hawkins, has blown and told his story. But what..you think he lies..like everyone who has blown?

How many kids had to report the child abuse in the Catholic Church before people would start to listen?

How many ex scientologists does it take before it starts to sink in with you that something is wrong with a religion that forces abortions and infiltrates the government and blackmails their way into subverting the US Constitution. It is NO LIE THAT YOU GET TO TAKE A TAX DEDUCTION THAT NO OTHER RELIGION CAN GET. HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT?

Why do you refuse to admit that the genesis of your religion is based on a Galactic Overlord by the name of XENU.(sometimes referred to as XEMU). He is imprisoned in a volcano by a force field generated by a battery.

This is part of your religion. Why do you deny it? Because you haven’t spent 300 grand to find out about it, yet?
Hubbard’s writings are your Scripture. What did he say about Fair Game? Why do you believe that practice is acceptable?

There were 8 Operating Thetan levels. They are coming out with another. Have you risen to the level, yet, where you scream at ashtrays and order them to levitate?

I don’t care what you believe. You can believe holding on to two tin cases and being hooked up to voltage meter will change your life.

Close your ears,eyes, and mind to the reality of Scientology.

Where is Mike Rinder? Why did he blow?

Why hasn’t Natha Baca died of pneumonia, yet. He read the Scriptures out of order. According to Hubbard, a kill switch should have been activated and Baca should be dead from pneumonia.

Are you allowed to read this?
http://library.endthecult.com/index.php?title=Special:Random

OT COMMITTEE UK

8 June 1984

Ethics Order 1 Int
All Scientologists

SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE - DAVID MISCAVIGE

DAVID MISCAVIGE of Los Angeles is hereby declared a
Suppressive Person.

This is in accordance with the Findings & Recommendations of the Comm Ev on
Miscavige, conducted at the request of the OT Committee WorldWide. The
Findings & Recommendations are available for public view at the OT
Committees, and at ceratin Delivery Centres.

[La Enchiladita]

I guess you’re being funny, so.... LOL:)

[RummyChick]

Windflier, You have free will. You are not in an RFP. You are not behind razor blade spikes on a fence pointed inward.

You have the ability to think, reason, and comprehend.

One day, you might want to look at the blog of the man that helped launch Dianetics into a best seller.

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2008/08/introduction.html

“More and more Scientologists are quietly withdrawing their support from the Miscavige regime. Many are walking away from the Church of Scientology altogether. Key Church executives are defecting. Many are now speaking out, telling what they know. Doors and windows are being opened to let light in to the secret, dark world of Scientology.

If Scientology survives at all, in any form, it will be because Scientologists stopped tolerating abuse and lies and criminality in the name of their religion, tore down the veils of secrecy and demanded full transparency. It will be because present and past Scientologists had the decency and humanity to stand up and speak out, regardless of the threats and the attempts to silence them. And it will be because past Church executives had the courage to do what they know is right.

I don’t seek the destruction of Scientology. David Miscavige has already accomplished that, almost singlehandedly. I do demand that the truth be told, that the walls come down, and that common standards of human decency and honesty prevail.

It is time to speak out. “

[Windflier]

RC, I’m not going to change your mind about this. Only you can do that by making your own personal observations of Scientology.

You obviously believe that all of these attacks you’re reading are the gospel truth, which is unfortunate.

All I can tell you is that Scientology bears no resemblance to the reports you’re posting. After 35 years in the church, I can confidently attest to that.

There was a time when the religion of Christianity was persecuted and similarly attacked by those who had little or no real understanding of it. I believe that every major religion has suffered likewise in their early days. Scientology is going through nothing less than they did.

Peace to you.