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Impeach the Pope
Washington Post ^ | March 19, 2009 | Robert S. McElvaine

Posted on 03/19/2009 12:27:17 AM PDT by Zakeet

Enough! No--Too much!

Amid all the justified outrage we all feel at Bernie Madoff and the AIG bandits, let us save some intense outrage for Pope Benedict XVI.

After insulting Muslims by declaring in 2006 that Muhammad had brought "things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," after reiterating (through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in 2008 that the subject of the ordination of women is not even open for discussion and declaring that anyone involved with the ordination of women will be automatically excommunicated, after lifting in January of this year the excommunication of Holocaust-denier Richard Williamson, now Benedict XVI opens a visit to Africa by telling the people of a continent decimated by AIDS that the distribution of condoms "increases the problem" of the spread of AIDS.

I am a Catholic and the idea that such a man is God's spokesperson on earth is absurd to me.

There are, of course, no provisions in the hierarchical institution set up, not by Jesus but by men who hijacked his name and in many cases perverted his teachings, for impeaching a pope and removing him from office. But there ought to be.

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Let's start a movement within the Catholic Church to impeach Pope Benedict XVI and remove him from office. While we're at it, let's replace him with a woman.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.washingtonpost.com ...


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This article is the worst pile of Catholic bashing tripe I have seen in some time. The comments are also generally vile, and IMHO probably reflect the moral caliber of the ComPost's remaining readership.

1 posted on 03/19/2009 12:27:17 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: NYer

cino ping


2 posted on 03/19/2009 12:28:31 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Zakeet
Let's start a movement within the Catholic Church to impeach Pope Benedict XVI and remove him from office. While we're at it, let's replace him with a woman.

And while were at it, let's start worshipping Thor!

3 posted on 03/19/2009 12:32:20 AM PDT by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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To: nickcarraway
And while were at it, let's start worshipping Thor!

And kick it off by getting hammered!

4 posted on 03/19/2009 12:33:55 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (What's Black and White and Red all over?)
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To: Zakeet

“Let’s start a movement within the Catholic Church”

nobody’s forcing anyone to be catholic and follow the pope.


5 posted on 03/19/2009 12:37:51 AM PDT by ari-freedom ( Hail to the Dork!)
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To: Zakeet

“I am a Catholic and ...”

... a moron apparently.


6 posted on 03/19/2009 12:38:36 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Zakeet; admin

This thread needs a “barf alert” warning. I at first thought an anti-Catholic zealot had posted it.


7 posted on 03/19/2009 12:41:44 AM PDT by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--two and a half years-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: Zakeet

Robert McElvaine, your mind is full of poop.


8 posted on 03/19/2009 12:44:12 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Gene Eric

What? it’s certainly true. The Post can’t see how much misery this religion has unleashed on the world-all corners of the world. Baptist go radical, they might open a mission or sing off key (Oh no). Muslims who (not all of course) are kind of born again blow up planes and stone women to death, massacre unbelievers in Africa. It never ends.


9 posted on 03/19/2009 12:46:04 AM PDT by bronxboy
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To: PetroniusMaximus
“I am a Catholic and ...”

No, he's not. A Catholic would understand the church's teachings on these things and accept them as faith and doctrine.

The bible makes it very clear that men are to lead; in the church and in the home.

The writer of this article needs to find a new age assembly of no god feel good cause everyone's going to heaven kind of church - aka, a church not founded on the BIBLE.

10 posted on 03/19/2009 12:46:12 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 15 Years)
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To: Zakeet

Um, there is nothing stopping this whiner from leaving the catholic church and picking another denomination.


11 posted on 03/19/2009 12:50:45 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Zakeet
When I first started reading this I thought it was satire. But, no, it's just the customary bleatings of an anti-Catholic writing in the ever so Catholic friendly WaPO.

Ah, sir, the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church, not you, and if you are dissatisfied in any way with what the Church or the Pope are saying, then buzz off and don't let the sacristy doors hit thee in the posterior on the way out.

Now when is the WaPO going to publish a story by this self-appointed Pope about the Church Obama attended, using some of the more colorful quotes of Da Revrund Wright? And then pose the $64 question to his Lordship: why didn't you leave that church earlier?

12 posted on 03/19/2009 12:51:05 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: Zakeet
I am a Catholic and the idea that such a man is God's spokesperson on earth is absurd to me.

I am a Catholic and the idea this newsweak scribbler takes it upon himself to second guess the entire college of cardinals is absurd to me...

13 posted on 03/19/2009 12:56:39 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Yeah your right CINOES have been all over the MSM/Radio bashing Gods Church and our Rep. Pope Benedict.

The virtue of chasity (in reference to the condom issue) or in the sactity of a non adultrous marraige is a realistic obtainable goal.

What CINOs of the world do not want to face is there own lack of will to live a life that give revercance to the Lord.

BTW I cannot recommend enough for all to tune into EWTN and LISTEN to the message the Pope and missionaries of Africa are giving Live right now (these next few days).

Pope Benedict is meeting with those of the Muslim faith today.

That should be a very gracious on his behalf deliverance of words as the Rep for Gods Roman Catholic Church.


14 posted on 03/19/2009 1:01:05 AM PDT by Global2010 (Worship the Creator Not the Creature.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
And that is this CINO-Writers argument.

He is trying to convince readers that condoms work when getting hammered.

15 posted on 03/19/2009 1:04:20 AM PDT by Global2010 (Worship the Creator Not the Creature.)
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To: malkee

No more like a Catholic is denial.

Poor soul needs some tools.


16 posted on 03/19/2009 1:06:11 AM PDT by Global2010 (Worship the Creator Not the Creature.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Hear! Hear! The pope can say anything he likes!


17 posted on 03/19/2009 1:09:14 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: TheWriterTX

“I am a Catholic and ...”

Yeah, wish more could understand that the Church is a community of faithful, not an ethnicity. If you do not share the faith, then you are not one. Either you believe or you leave. Not trying to sound discriminatory, but why are so many nonbelievers so obsessed with our community?


18 posted on 03/19/2009 1:09:40 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: YCTHouston
the Church is a community of faithful, not an ethnicity.

Well put.

19 posted on 03/19/2009 1:19:14 AM PDT by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: nickcarraway
Thor!

Tho am I, buthter!

20 posted on 03/19/2009 1:19:46 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Thor! Tho am I, buthter!

ONe of my favorite almost clean jokes!

21 posted on 03/19/2009 2:42:29 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; Pyro7480; wagglebee; Coleus

ping


22 posted on 03/19/2009 2:48:21 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Zakeet

You want to see vitriol? If the local bishop, Wuerl, grows some cajones, then you’d see some vitriol.

This type of commentary on the Holy Father is just typical for the comPost.


23 posted on 03/19/2009 2:58:08 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Zakeet
Last comment (from me):

The Pope recently wrote the following within a recent letter:

At times one gets the impression that our society needs to have at least one group to which no tolerance may be shown; which one can easily attack and hate. And should someone dare to approach them – in this case the Pope – he too loses any right to tolerance; he too can be treated hatefully, without misgiving or restraint.

I think that says it all.

24 posted on 03/19/2009 3:02:31 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Zakeet
I am a Catholic and...

No, apparently you are not.
25 posted on 03/19/2009 3:07:29 AM PDT by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowski)
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To: Zakeet

Dear Penthouse Forum,

I am a Catholic, and...


26 posted on 03/19/2009 3:10:41 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Zakeet

How about we just impeach God because we don’t agree with the 10 commandments? That’s some arrogance that’s going to come back big on McElvaine some day. Obviously this guy doesn’t think there’s anything after death. The Church should annul any Sacraments he has received (if that’s possible) and then excommunicate him. Win-win!


27 posted on 03/19/2009 3:18:00 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
And while were at it, let's start worshipping Thor!
I've always been partial to Minerva. A beautiful Goddess who is also in charge of mathematics? What's not to admire?
28 posted on 03/19/2009 3:25:44 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Zakeet
I'd like to start out by thanking you for posting this article. I typically will not visit the compost this early in the morning before taking my blood pressure medicine. Where to start! The only religion that Robert S. McElvaine, Professor of Arts and Letters Millsaps College practices is that of radical secularism, not Catholicism. His many years in the Academy has reduced his beliefs of Catholicism to that of a primitive superstition. Those same beliefs are counter intuitive to 2000 years of Church teachings. This notion that the Catholic Church should “change with the times” and conform to whatever cultural “norms” of the day are would surely be it's swan song. Moral authority would be diminished to the point of making the Church irrelevant, which is exactly his intent. Look at some of the main line Protestant Church's and their shifts in cultural policies and the corresponding declines in membership as a guidepost. I'm sure he would like nothing better than to see women ordained as priests, establish same sex marriage, and have a policy for unlimited abortions but these are not the tenets of the “authoritative” and “patriarchal” Church. He, like many other Catholics expect the Church to conform to their personal beliefs. It would seem impossible that a person believes in a religion when he rejects what a religion proclaims.

Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that America's women were supremely religious because women were the protectors of morals. While the law permits Americans to do as they please, religion prevents them from contemplating, and forbids them to commit, what is rash or unjust. Americans hold religion as indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions.

Despotism may govern without faith, but liberty can not.

29 posted on 03/19/2009 3:26:43 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: nickcarraway

> And while were at it, let’s start worshipping Thor!

or mohammad...


30 posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:01 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Zakeet

Please note this incredibly ignorant article is written by an “academic” — clearly one of the highest order!!!


31 posted on 03/19/2009 3:50:29 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: Zakeet; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

32 posted on 03/19/2009 3:53:43 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yep... apparently Robert doesn’t really have an understanding of what the church is all about.


33 posted on 03/19/2009 3:56:42 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: YCTHouston
why are so many nonbelievers so obsessed with our community?

I can answer that, I think. Socialism / Communism at its core is a belief that mankind can have paradise here on earth by perfecting the social systems in which man lives and works. Christianity at its core is a belief that mankind is irreparably flawed and cannot ever live in peace, comfort and ultimate salvation without God's grace. They are fundamentally opposed belief systems. Liberals (an all purpose name for Socialists / Communists) direct their ire at what they see as heresy, and since the Catholic Church is the largest Christian Church, Catholicism bears the brunt of the anger.

34 posted on 03/19/2009 3:57:14 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: Zakeet

Was this actually published, or is this a joke?


35 posted on 03/19/2009 4:25:10 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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Ho Hum. Too bad we cant zot that troll. I only wish we had a Catholic Zot from the Vatican.

Write an article like that, a worldwide ZOT from Vatican City. :O


36 posted on 03/19/2009 4:38:58 AM PDT by wombtotomb (I would rather die on my feet as a free man, than live on my knees as a slave)
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To: Zakeet
I am a Catholic and . . .

fill of sh!t?

37 posted on 03/19/2009 8:54:18 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (If Benito Mussolini was IL DUCE, Barack Obama is ILL DOUCHE!)
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To: verga

It was just sitting there. I had to.


38 posted on 03/19/2009 9:29:51 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Zakeet; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
I am a Catholic and the idea that such a man is God's spokesperson on earth is absurd to me.

Apparently, the author is a "Catholic in Name Only". He is a "Cafeteria Catholic" who picks and chooses what to believe. If he is in disagreement with the Church, there is no one to stop him from leaving.

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


39 posted on 03/19/2009 9:31:59 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Zakeet
I am a Catholic

You are an idiot.

40 posted on 03/19/2009 9:32:57 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Zakeet
I am a Catholic

Such a thoughtful article warrants a response that is equally thoughtful:

Liar, liar, pants of fire.

41 posted on 03/19/2009 9:35:50 AM PDT by Alexius (An absolutely new idea is one of the rarest things known to man. - St. Thomas More)
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To: Zakeet
Another bonehead academic trying to sell a book full of crap. You read awhile and you uncover this gem:

As I detail in my latest book, "Grand Theft Jesus: The Hijacking of Religion in America" (Crown), the cardinal sin of the Catholic Church -- a literally deadly sin, if ever there was one -- is its opposition to birth control.

Uh huh. I'm not even sure where to begin on that one.

42 posted on 03/19/2009 9:36:41 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Zakeet
This guy is a professor at Millsaps College, a Methodist institution.

I guess the Methodists keep him around as a purported "Catholic" to show off to the neighbors. "See how ecumenical we are -- but this guy doesn't actually question any of our doctrines or (more importantly) our political positions."

43 posted on 03/19/2009 9:55:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse - TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Zakeet
Ecce homo.

Robert S. McElvaine

I think the man needs some emails. Please be polite but firm.
44 posted on 03/19/2009 10:33:31 AM PDT by Antoninus (So now "change" is defined as "more of the same, but worse"?)
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To: NYer
I think he would be a lot happier in the Episcopal church or maybe with the Unitarians.

May God grant Pope Benedict a very long and healthy life!

45 posted on 03/19/2009 10:57:18 AM PDT by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: RU88

Well done.


46 posted on 03/19/2009 11:04:11 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Global2010
Pope Benedict is meeting with those of the Muslim faith today.

Why?

47 posted on 03/19/2009 11:08:15 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: Zakeet

Dear Washington Post Editors:

Bad news for you: McElvaine is not Catholic. I am. He makes your newspaper look stupider than it already does. That doesn’t bother me, but you might not like everyone laughing at you.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, etc.

Sincerely,

Judith Anne


48 posted on 03/19/2009 11:16:43 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: Antoninus; NYer; narses; All

As you can see HERE, McElvaine is the chairman of the history department at Millsaps. You can contact him directly via e-mail by clicking HERE, or you can phone him direct at (601) 974 -1291.

While you are at it, you might as well contact his boss, Dr. Francis Lucas by clicking HERE, or you can phone her at 800.352.1050. My guess, she hasn't yet read the editorial -- and the school might even have a code of professional conduct. You might want to ask.

Finally, you might consider contacting some of their Board of Trustees. You can find a list HERE.

Happy hunting.

49 posted on 03/19/2009 11:20:11 AM PDT by Zakeet (Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal.)
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To: Zakeet

>>I am a Catholic and the idea that such a man is God’s spokesperson on earth is absurd to me. <<

No sir, what is absurd is that you and your like-minded individuals, took over my church and destroyed it.

No sir, what is absurd is that you have replaced it with a LIB, PC institution that believes i nothing save your own beliefs.

No sir, what is absurd is that you consider yourself a Catholic.


50 posted on 03/19/2009 1:34:57 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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