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Barack Obama: Born in Hawaii
Hawai'i Free Press ^ | 11-06-08 | Andrew Walden

Posted on 03/17/2009 11:50:28 AM PDT by AndrewWalden

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birdcageliner; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; eligibility; hawaii; ile; illegalalien; obama; obamafamily; potus; thekenyan; thrkenyan; usurper
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Comment #461 Removed by Moderator

To: MHGinTN

I’m not the one defending Obama here, you are making it an easy out for him, he produces a long form, your entire theory collapses... Which makes me think that his your whole game.. You want a house of cards that can easily collapse..

Who is the obamanoid here?

But I guess the keyboard commandos have to all have their little games to make them feel big.. keep their lists, check it twice.. create a bogus war..


462 posted on 03/18/2009 8:35:03 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

LOL


463 posted on 03/18/2009 8:41:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: El Gato
Me: Did it occur to any of you gentlemen that Seattle isn't in Canada?

El Gato: Did anyone say it was?

Me: How else could you possibly consider it evidence of a Canadian birth?

. But, if BHO had been born in Seattle, why hide that?/

There is no reason to believe he was born either in Seattle or in Canada. My point was simply that his turning up in Seattle after his birth is not evidence of a Canadian birth.

464 posted on 03/18/2009 8:42:25 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Non-Sequitur
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in in her village in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in her town but rather that he is a "son of this village". If taken alone, she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Rather he spends -- now over a million -- on flaks. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.
465 posted on 03/18/2009 8:42:51 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Non-Sequitur
So he was a native born citizen of the United States? Is that what you're claiming.

Actually the way it worked is that Mr. Jefferson was a native-born citizen of Virginia. Virginia was one of the united states and so he was also considered a native-born citizen of the United States. He certainly was never naturalized.

Regarding Rathergate and your other blather, non-experts were able to determine from images of the fake memo that it was indeed fake. Some "experts" played with themselves for a while, or they are still playing with themselves, suggesting that they cannot tell about the authenticity of the memo without holding it themselves. I would guess that 99.99%+ of such "experts" voted for John Kerry.

ML/NJ

466 posted on 03/18/2009 8:44:45 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: mrmeangenes

No it is you that is totally ignorant and disingenious, mrmeaningless.

If he was born and raised in Hawaii, there would be some shred of evidence forthcoming from those who remembered his young white mother and her black son. Through the eyes of a nurse in a pediatrician’s office, they would have very likely been the only parent/child combo that met that appearance.

Your feigned over reaction to the list in the post is somewhat funny. No one is suggesting that someone was keeping a list “in a free society”, but if you knew you worked at the hospital that year or were her room mate or neighbor or friend, the overwhelming news cycles of his Hawaiin origins would have sparked at least one memory.

Why does no one remember the young couple from U of HI? No one seems to remember the pregnant girl in Russsian class. No one remembers BHO, Sr. & Stanley Ann as a couple. Where are the family members, neighbors, and friends that would have been around her and her child? Didn’t the grandparents, parents, or Barry-kid have any friends or playmates? To assume that no one remembers them is to assume that they lived in a bubble and shunned all social and personal contact. There is no plausible explanation for this Hawaiin gap, they simply weren’t there.


468 posted on 03/18/2009 8:58:55 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: ml/nj
Actually the way it worked is that Mr. Jefferson was a native-born citizen of Virginia. Virginia was one of the united states and so he was also considered a native-born citizen of the United States. He certainly was never naturalized.

Then why the need for the "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." clause in Article II, Section 1?

Regarding Rathergate and your other blather, non-experts were able to determine from images of the fake memo that it was indeed fake.

Of course they were. I'll also point out that two-thirds of the experts who actually saw the original documents were unwilling to say for the record if they were genuine. CBS ran the story anyway.

I would guess that 99.99%+ of such "experts" voted for John Kerry.

Of course you do.

470 posted on 03/18/2009 9:03:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ckilmer

Here is another for your list:

http://defendourfreedoms.org/5.11.08A.pdf
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT from the Parliament of the Republic of Kenya
- Obama is a son of the soil of this country [Kenya]


471 posted on 03/18/2009 9:03:35 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Beau Jack

How lame is your response?

You had to fast forward 15 years?

Try again....


472 posted on 03/18/2009 9:10:58 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Then why the need for the "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." clause in Article II, Section 1?

You should be able to answer this question, but I guess it would render hours of your smoke blowing irrelevant.

Jefferson and his contemporaries were not natural-born citizens as understood by themselves, the Framers. The Framers wanted to restrict the Presidency to this class of citizen, but there were none who would qualify during the early years of the Republic, so they grandfathered themselves and others who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.

ML/NJ

473 posted on 03/18/2009 9:16:16 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: mrmeangenes

Corsi had no input into that list, so why do you enlist him in your response?

Here’s one for you
http://obamacrimes.us/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=762

“8. In the case at bar, this Court threatens to sanction the undersigned attorney with the costs allegedly borne by the Defendants when all that would be necessary to terminate this political chicanery (substitute “crisis”) that now has involved hundreds of thousands of concerned citizens would be for President Obama to display his actual birth certificate which should include the customary doctor’s signature (or mid-wife) and hospital name.

9. Instead, Soetoro/Obama has blocked access to his records by sealing his college records, refusing access to his “vault” Birth Certificate; and all other documents which would provide his citizenship status.”

- John D. Hemenway


474 posted on 03/18/2009 9:26:36 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: ml/nj

Why do you waste your breathe responding to her?

She has been asking the same questions since last July and getting the same answers, over and over again!

She’s like the Star Travelling Gnome, minus the obligatory LOL’s.


475 posted on 03/18/2009 9:30:42 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: Gemsbok

Gemsbok, there are few things that would be less remarkable than a mixed race child in a Hawaiian hospital in that era !

As to some who may have had personnel recollections, I was able to find a partial list on Google in nabout 10 minutes:

http://obamasneighborhood.com/friends.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/26/barackobama-uselections2008

http://journalobama.com/obama-childhood/

http://blackamericans.com/blogs/news/archive/2008/02/17/barack-a-young-brother-barack-obama-s-childhood-classmates-friends-and-teammates-talk-about-the-man-they-knew-as.aspx

http://www.hotklix.com/?ref=link/12485


476 posted on 03/18/2009 9:42:18 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Gemsbok

NS has openly stated that her presence and work on these BC threads is for her amusement since she enjoys inciting anger and arguments. A troll by any other name ...


477 posted on 03/18/2009 9:46:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ml/nj
You should be able to answer this question, but I guess it would render hours of your smoke blowing irrelevant.

It's much more amusing watching you try and do it.

Jefferson and his contemporaries were not natural-born citizens as understood by themselves, the Framers.

Which is what I said, and which you found so amusing. The Constitution identifies two classes of citizens - natural born and naturalized. If you are not one then you are, by definition, the other. The Founders were naturalized because they became citizens of the United States by law when the country was established. Knowing this, they inserted the one exception to the natural-born citizen requirement. Otherwise nobody would qualify.

Now quick, who was the last U.S. president elected under this clause?

478 posted on 03/18/2009 9:48:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Gemsbok
Why do you waste your breath responding to her?

Sometimes I don't. It depends upon whether the question asked, or misstatement made, is one that I think might be on the mind of someone relatively new to this or any other topic discussed here on FR. I find honest naysayers (Non-Sequiter only rarely qualifies.) to be useful in helping to elicit the strongest arguments for points I wish to make. For example it was Non-Sequiter's suggestion that there are only two classes of citizen (natural-born and naturalized) that led me to ask which class Thomas Jefferson fell into. S/he may not understand but I believe that this question about Mr. Jefferson clearly helps to elucidate what the Framers meant by natural-born. Ditto with this most recent question about why they included the grandfather clause in the qualifications the Framers specified for people who could assume the Presidency.

ML/NJ

479 posted on 03/18/2009 9:49:43 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: mrmeangenes

Which link contains any indication or confirmation that he was born in Hawaii and spent his early years there?

None.


480 posted on 03/18/2009 9:51:01 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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