Posted on 03/13/2009 10:44:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
This is a great resource full of DOCUMENTED, PEER-REVIEWED data, some of straight from the US Department of Justice, with an annotated bibliography.
Be prepared to shove facts down their throats, when they only have "feelings."
Here are few excerpts:
Fact: Every year, people in the United States use a gun to defend themselves against criminals an estimated 2,500,000 times – more than 6,500 people a day, or once every 13 seconds.112 Of these instances, 15.6% of the people using a firearm defensively stated that they "almost certainly" saved their lives by doing so.
Fact: Firearms are used 60 times more often to protect lives than to take lives.
Fact: In 83.5% (2,087,500) of these successful gun defenses, the attacker either threatened or used force first, proving that guns are very well suited for self-defense.
Fact: Of the 2,500,000 times citizens use guns to defend themselves, 92% merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers.
Fact: Less than 8% of the time does a citizen wound his or her attacker, and in less than one in a thousand instances is the attacker killed.
Fact: For every accidental death, suicide, or homicide with a firearm, 10 lives are saved through defensive use. 114Fact: When using guns in self-defense:
• 83% of robbery victims were not injured.
• 88% of assault victims were not hurt.
• 76% of all self-defense use of guns never involve firing a single shot.
Fact: After the implementation of Canada's 1977 gun controls prohibiting handgun possession for protection, the “breaking and entering” crime rate rose 25%, surpassing the American rate.
Myth: Only police should have guns
Fact: “...most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.
Fact: 11% of police shootingskill an innocent person - about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person.
Fact: Police have trouble keeping their own guns. Hundreds of firearms are missing from the FBI and 449 of them have been involved in crimes.118
Fact: People who saw the helplessness of the L.A. Police Department during the 1992 King Riots or the looting and violence in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina know that citizens need guns to defend themselves.
Myth: You are more likely to be injured or killed using a gun for self-defense
Fact: You are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun. In episodes where a robbery victim was injured, the injury/defense rates were:119
• Resisting with a gun 6%
• Did nothing at all 25%
• Resisted with a knife 40%
• Non-violent resistance 45%
Don't ever forget that.
Since when did facts matter to the Left?
Without the recent mass-shootings, the Left will want more gun control.
That reminds me to renew my NRA membership!
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Something that I have LONG wondered about is this:
Have most of these people been on anti-depressants when they started shooting up the neighborhood? They never, never, never report it, but it is my understanding that many of them are.
Maybe there is nothing at all wrong with guns, but maybe there is something drastically wrong with taking a pill that makes you think shooting your whole family, friends or neighbors is OK.
Also, when you have a Mom systematically killing her children, I sure wish they would report if that Mom was on anti-depressants. They just remove you from reality.
This certainly would move the target away from guns to anti-depressants (where I think it should be)
Excellent post!
Read it, Know it, Live it. And it is available to read on-line.
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1755 Pennsylvania school house massacre.
Massacre of school children by a man with a hatchet in 1813
massacre of school children near Hamilton Texas in the 1860’s
Along with several other family murders over the years...
The difference between then and now?
Back then a massacre occurred.
In one day the locals knew about it.
In a week the county knew about it.
In a month the state knew it.
In three months it might reach Washington DC.
Today, the massacre occurs and instantly the word is flashed around the world! Immediately various groups demand Washington do “something” to make everyone “feel” safe by banning the offending items used to do the massacre.
This was e-mailed to be this morning.....
1. Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you..
2. If you find yourself i n a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him ‘Why do you carry a 45?’ The Ranger responded, ‘Because they don’t make a 46.’
6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. ‘Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?’ ‘No Ma’am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my shotgun.’
7. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!
I’m not saying say anything bad, but just list them as a pattern. Is it even possible to go back to say the past 50 mass shootings and see how many of them were on anti-depressants?
It might be worth researching. I just don’t know how to find out. Police reports? Would it even be listed on police reports?
Now, the question would be...
are you trying to say that the anti-depressants caused them to go nuts,
or that they were already nuts enough to shoot up the place, and were on anti-depressants?
Exactly
I am saying that anti-depressants are not a great way to deal with life. Some of them permanently change you as soon as you take the first one. I just think it would be of interest to see how many of them are on them when they start shooting the place up.
Then instead of screaming about the guns, we could try to more properly address the SHOOTER and their issues. I think we are afraid to discuss anti-depressant usage in this country and have a public discussion about how much we take them instead of learning to live.
Talking to a liberal to change their will mind never bear fruit.
As a matter of fact, it has been discussed many times here, and when it is, it doesn't take long for the pro psychotropic-drug brigade to show up and flame anybody who dares to wonder if maybe prozac or SSRIs might just play a role.
They will tell you that they personally know people who are on them who are completely incapable of living without them, but with them they are totally normal human beings.
I just don't feel like engaging in any of that rhetoric any more.
All the crazies who can't live without their prozac have my blessing. Just leave me alone.
Many people turn to anti-depressants to address a need that can only be addressed by Christ.
Nice kitty.
Ya just gotta wonder why a mother is able to murder her children, one after the other. It is just not natural.
I think many, many of these incidences probably have mind-altering stuff helping them in their thought process.
It is better to live. Even if it is bad. Don’t throw away life on those wretched drugs.
Believe me, I’m not looking for a fight. I don’t follow gun threads much, but have always wondered if anyone ever did a study to see how many mass murders were committed while on anti-depressants.
The drug lobby would probably highly discourage any such study.
Anyway, if this has been discussed thoroughly in past threads, I don’t need to keep it going.
This was a casual wonderment.
Thanks for the conversation!
WOW. OK, I feel silly asking this, but WHY is the focus on guns and not DRUGS?
No need to answer that. Big Pharma, ACLU, Liberal Left Wing Media.......
Same answer as everything else.
Gun facts #1) See Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Gun facts #2) I have a God given right to self protection.
Gun facts #3) Keep your guns clean, and practice, practice, practice.
Gun facts #4) Anyone who attempts to take away your right to keep and bear arms is your mortal enemy, and the mortal enemy of these United States.
Gun facts#5) Never surrender.
Ref #4:
“Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”
-Alexander Hope, from the novel “Hope” by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman
Nail on head!
6. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. ‘Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?’ ‘No Ma’am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my shotgun.’
Just to add my $ 00.02:
Q: I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?’
Do you have a fire extinguisher at home?
Do you have First aide kit at home and in your car?
Spare tire in your car?
Flashlight?
These are things you have IN CASE of trouble, How is a gun any different?
I was always of the impression that it wasnt the taking of anti-depressants that caused the problem, rather the sudden withdrawl and resulting [shockwave] depression...
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century after being deprived of their gun rights: 56 million.
Well, I am no expert, that is for sure. This was something I have just wondered about a lot.
I can tell you from much experience with friends, that many of the anti-depressants seem to make them seem dissociated from everyone else. Like a wall is between them and their emotions - in this environment, evil can fester.
It is just scary to watch someone get onto that stuff and seem to retreat from their emotions (including their conscience). I often think that diet, exercise and some good counseling sessions would be more useful.
Again, please don’t think I have spent much time considering this. It is just something that comes to mind whenever this kind of carnage happens. I always wonder why, when we delve into every part of their lives, the use of specific anti-depressants is not part of the general conversation (like their old girlfriends, where they like to go eat, how much time they spend on the net, and other kinds of odd information.)
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Feeelings, only Feeelings matter to them.
that said, the brain is a very complicated device, some problems MUST be medicated 'properly', which when done, gives relief to the individual, and being human, once they start feeling better they stop the meds and the brain kinda shorts out again...
former pastors' wife is a great example...they spent literally months/yrs at a time over her life [shes in her 80s] getting the 'right' combo of drugs to manage her brain chemicals...then she comes off of the meds and goes depression/'sick' again...as in emotionally dying, 'shut-in' sick/depressed...UN-functional...
at that point the previous cocktail doesnt work anymore and they start the whole process over again...
the last time the doctors stopped the meds due to a needed surgery, [they were concerned with reactions to the anesthesia ?] and its been well over a year now and they are just startin to get the right mix again...
of course, as said before, most of the population could simply benefit from diet and exercise, and a little 'reality' that life aint exactely about their petty selves and learn to live in 'the world' and accept their responsibilities...
too deep for most sheep...
In general, with our medical system, there is no room or money for “optimal health”. Nowhere can I find an exit strategy off of meds. Why should anyone have to live a life dependent on a chemical cocktail?
It just isn’t in our medical communities best interest to introduce a patient to green veggies, fish, bone broth soups and perhaps some supplements. Any chemical should be short term to help jump start a person to a healthier life naturally. Nowhere in our giant agriculture/ food/ fda/ big medical is this even a realistic option.
Then, we have people stuck on chemicals forever, which any event can throw off the amounts, then you have a chemically dependent, now genuinely crazy person in charge of their meds.
Just doesn’t seem healthy to me.
My point on this thread (again, I don’t really follow the gun threads) is.... Why are their meds not a part of the fodder of their lives that we talk over endlessly? I know the answer - it is now a rhetorical question. Big medicine and Big News are tied together.
Anyway, if anyone you know is on meds, I think it is best to help them find an exit strategy which involves lifestyle and dietary changes - healthy ones.
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The only fact I want to know about guns is a simply one. The gun hating leftist constantly chant gun control laws are not being enforced.
Can these gun hating leftist tell me which gun control laws are not being enforced?
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