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CA: Air regulators show no letup in their war on emissions (final nails in state's coffin?)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 3/2/09 | Michael Gardner

Posted on 03/02/2009 9:28:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 03/02/2009 9:28:43 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Save the planet. Destroy mankind.


2 posted on 03/02/2009 9:33:16 AM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: NormsRevenge

There’s probably no better example of what I call “the fourth branch” of government....the administrative branch that few ever talk about. You know, the bldg dept when you want to add on to your home, the school district that sneaks special assessments into your prop tax bill. The CA Air Resources Board will be the death of all CA industry. You can take that one to the bank.


3 posted on 03/02/2009 9:34:07 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: NormsRevenge
Just Thursday, the state Air Resources Board moved to regulate fluorinated gases commonly used by the Silicon Valley-centered semiconductor industry

These idiots have been on board since this insanity started. Their chickens are now coming home to roost. Serves them right.

4 posted on 03/02/2009 9:34:14 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: NormsRevenge

idiots.

Emissions Control has Little Impact on Climate

http://www.examiner.com/x-431-SF-Politics-Examiner~y2009m1d27-Obamas-new-emissions-standards-good-energy-and-defense-policy-little-to-do-with-climate-change


5 posted on 03/02/2009 9:34:20 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Bush kept these enviroregulators in check (as much as possible). Obama will unleash them.


6 posted on 03/02/2009 9:38:03 AM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: NormsRevenge

These people are idiots working hard to deindustrialize California. Who will stand against the environazis?


7 posted on 03/02/2009 9:41:24 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Such a policy would reward low-polluting companies with emissions credits that they can then sell on an open market to industries that cannot readily curb discharges.

Yeah...company’s like kite and bicycle makers?


8 posted on 03/02/2009 9:41:53 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Maybe they should change their name to the California Jobs Transfer Board.


9 posted on 03/02/2009 9:46:51 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The rules also encourage smuggling for forbidden items or highly taxed items.


10 posted on 03/02/2009 9:47:39 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: umgud
Bush kept these enviroregulators in check (as much as possible). Obama will unleash them.

Bush kept these enviroregulators in check (as much as possible).

Correction:

Obama HAS unleashed them.

11 posted on 03/02/2009 9:49:57 AM PST by TYVets
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To: umgud

Maybe. In California they 9the CARB CA Air Resources Bd) has absolutely astounding, unchecked power. Totally serious. It’s the same pattern as the legislature, ignoring any shred of common sense, coming out with feel- good rulings based upon nothing whatsoever, no testing, no calculations, no real world experience at all. After the smoke clears, Californians find themselves with onerous restrictions that nobody would have supported if there were any regard to bottom line effects.

Example #1: The MTBE gasoline oxygenate additive deal. This resulted in probably the single greatest, widespread, and persistent episode of groundwater pollution in the history of the US. Think 5000 Love Canals. Billions and billions in dig-up remediation of older gas stations.

Example #2: Mandate of new “clean” diesel engines. This will result in roughly a 10% MPG reduction and force the obsolescence of between 30,000 and 50,000 diesel engines statewide.

These things throw thousands of businesses out of business.


12 posted on 03/02/2009 9:50:32 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: NormsRevenge

Is it possible that California could declare bankruptcy? Or fall apart? Or dissolve? Perhaps San Diego County could become it’s own state?


13 posted on 03/02/2009 9:53:02 AM PST by Professor_Leonide (I said to the young man who showed me a photo, "Who can ever be sure what is behind a mask?")
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To: ontap

The flight of people from California will do more to lower their greenhouse emissions than anything else. Before long, there will just be a few idiots in trees defending them from no one. Can you say Don Quixote?


14 posted on 03/02/2009 10:00:13 AM PST by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: NormsRevenge

“125 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions annually starting in 2020”

Sounds like a lot doesn’t it? What they don’t tell you is how many tons of CO2 are already in the air and what a miniscule fraction 125 million tons is!!

There are 3 million billion (3x10^15) tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, so 125 million tons corresponds to 0.041666667 millionth of what’s already there. To put it in perspective, it’s the same as the impact on your wealth if you had 100 million dollars in the bank and getting an extra 4 cents a year!!!

They also don’t talk about the impact that this reduction on CO2 would have on the earth’s temperature. Even using their models, it’s so small as to be undetectable even using our most accurate measuring devices.

A couple of places where the impact will definitely be measurable will be in your wallet and your loss of freedom.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!


15 posted on 03/02/2009 10:00:57 AM PST by aquila48
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To: NormsRevenge

Note that the so-called experts quoted about the economic impact of these programs are not economists.


16 posted on 03/02/2009 10:01:00 AM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: NormsRevenge
They must also prohibit farming, all new construction and pregnancies. Each of which produces pollution.

Not to mention all economic activity. Nothing less than the complete depopulation of California can solve the problem.

17 posted on 03/02/2009 10:01:45 AM PST by Thud
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To: Jim Robinson

It has come to the point where we can only hunker down in our bunkers to survive this storm. Then emerge later, fully armed and ready to fight.

Only consolation is, our enemy is their own worst enemy. If we let them eat up all of their future reserves, they will eventually run out of sources and starve themselves to death.

As industry closes or leaves, and smart Conservative Americans find a way to protect their money and assets, the Democrats will eventually run out of hosts to parasitically feed off of.

Sometimes it is smart to give up ground in order to lure the enemy out beyond their ability to support themselves. That strategy was brilliantly illustrated during WW2 on the Russian front. This maybe our best strategy this time around, since the MSM, ignorant public, etc, is so against us right now.

Stock up, keep your powder dry and in large supply. Eat well, stay strong, healthy in body, spirit and mind. This is how we will eventually win.

God speed to you Brother in Arms....


18 posted on 03/02/2009 10:16:04 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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This only goes to prove why people are leaving California by the truckloads and why businesses are leaving the state in droves and slamming that door behind them. Theyre fed up with the way they are treated by the state and I dont blame em one itsy bit.


19 posted on 03/02/2009 10:41:38 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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And the more they leave, the more they raise taxes on those who stay.

And they raise taxes again on those who stay, and the more they leave. And the more they leave the more they raise taxes.

And the more they raise taxes, the more they leave. this is what is referred to as the mirror of infinity. (insanity to some.)

20 posted on 03/02/2009 10:47:14 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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