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Finding a place to pray (Parent wants a private space for her 10-year-old son for Muslim prayer)
northjersey.com ^ | Thursday, February 19, 2009 | ANDREA ALEXANDER

Posted on 02/19/2009 6:58:12 PM PST by Coleus

WAYNE — Rola Awwad wants a private space for her 10-year-old son at Albert Payson Terhune Elementary School to exercise his right to Muslim prayer.

The school district had offered to let him pray at recess — either outside or in a classroom while classmates are there. And that, says Awwad, is "unacceptable." mAll students are constitutionally guaranteed the right to pray during the school day as long as it doesn't interfere with learning. But Wayne is struggling with what accommodations to make if a Muslim student requests privacy for prayer. The answer in other North Jersey districts ranges from providing access to the principal's office, to providing a spare room. But school administrators in suburban Wayne have been weighing the question since fall, when Awwad asked the principal to allow her son, Adam, a few minutes of privacy each afternoon to pray. The district says it's concerned about allowing a young pupil to be unsupervised, even for a short time, and Awwad said her request was met with resistance.

"Why can't he be on his own for five minutes praying?" said Awwad, a Palestinian who moved to the United States from Jordan 11 years ago. She said it's important to her that her children go to public school and make diverse friends. But she also wants them to be able to practice their religion. "All I want from the school is to let my son pray in a private place in a small room, say his prayer and go back to class," she said.

Muslims pray five times a day to reaffirm their faith and submit to follow divine commandments. The prayer is said during prescribed times; in the fall, when the clocks roll back at the end of daylight savings time, the afternoon prayer must be said during the school day, Awwad explained. Federal guidelines say schools can't prevent students from praying during school hours, but schools can't sponsor religious activities or lead students in prayer. But the guidelines don't provide specifics on how schools should handle requests like Awwad's. And because that's left to the discretion of school administrators, North Jersey districts have responded with a hodgepodge of approaches.

In Passaic, an elementary school student is allowed to pray privately in a classroom storage closet, Superintendent Robert Holster said. A middle school principal in Cliffside Park allows a student to pray in her office, Superintendent Michael Romagnino said. If an elementary school child wanted a private place to pray, the superintendent said he would ask the principal to make an accommodation in an available office. And Teaneck High School sets aside a room where Muslim students are allowed to go and say their prayers, said district spokesman Dave Bicofsky. Wayne's district does not even have a consistent approach among its schools, The Record found in interviews with parents and the administration.

Awwad said when she first made her request, she was advised to pick up Adam at lunch and take him out of school to say prayers, which she has done for the last several months. When she pressed to have him allowed to pray in the building, the district offered to let Adam pray outside during lunch, or in the classroom during recess when the weather was bad. But another elementary school principal in the district had offered to let a student pray in an office. School board Attorney John Croot said the district thought it had made an "acceptable accommodation" when it offered to let Muslim students pray outside during lunch, or inside in a classroom in days of bad weather. He said the district is trying to strike a balance between constitutional principles.

For school officials, the issue is complicated by the degree of religious practice: For instance, federal guidelines specifically mention a student's right to quietly read the Bible during lunch. But the guidelines are not clear on what a district should do when the expression of religion is more demonstrative, as it is in Adam's case. "Then you are talking about a public school district,'' Croot said. "You have to carefully weigh the constitutional issues. It's a balance between the free exercise of religion and the concept of the separation of church and state. It's a public school district and you have to consider those constitutional issues.'' Croot said he sought guidance from the U.S. Department of Education and was advised the district should have a consistent approach.

Awwad told the district in a letter that its latest accommodation "is unacceptable." Her son would have to put his prayer mat and touch his forehead on the damp ground if he prayed outside. And she said Adam was worried that other students would ridicule him if he prayed in the classroom. Croot said "nothing has been foreclosed yet. We are still in discussions. We have indicated one possible accommodation that would have been acceptable, but there may be other accommodations that we could reach."



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
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Adam Awwad, 10, praying at the Circassian Benevolent Association in Wayne after being driven there from school by his mother.

Read the U.S. Department of Education guidelines on prayer in schools  * The guidelines state: "Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities.'' 

 Many school districts in NJ and the USA are making accommodations for some religions and not others.  As you can see in the article districts are helping out.  In some NJ school districts they are now closing for El Eid and Ramadan and listing the religious holiday by name, you don't see that with Christmas.  The word Christmas is replaced by Winter or Holiday and remember, Christmas is a Federal Holiday and by law it should be listed as such because a school district is a public entity.   And just don't dress as Jesus for Halloween or bring in a Bible or pray before school starts or before meals, you will be told not to.  Is it OK to say Christmas?  No way!  It's Holidays or Winter Recess, no more Christmas break.  Check the Calendar, for Christmas;  it's called Holiday Recess

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1 posted on 02/19/2009 6:58:13 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

In font of a Urinal would be good.


2 posted on 02/19/2009 7:00:56 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Coleus

Try mecca.


3 posted on 02/19/2009 7:01:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Coleus

Bigotry towards Christians and pandering to Islam. Sickening.


4 posted on 02/19/2009 7:01:45 PM PST by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Coleus

It is “unconstitutional” to pray in school in America. Didn’t these idiots get the memo?


5 posted on 02/19/2009 7:03:14 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Have You Punched A Democrat Today? - Do it for the children.)
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To: Coleus

The reason that muslims get away with this and Christians don’t is because Christians aren’t pushy. And they won’t lop off your head.


6 posted on 02/19/2009 7:03:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Coleus

Is he praying for our muslim president? For the end of the Great Satan?


7 posted on 02/19/2009 7:04:08 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Coleus
"Why can't he be on his own for five minutes praying?" said Awwad, a Palestinian who moved to the United States from Jordan 11 years ago.

If it's that important to them, a move back to Jordan would be the way to go.

8 posted on 02/19/2009 7:04:17 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: PA-RIVER

Adam Awwad can use a restroom stall for all the privacy he needs to get Allah out of his sytem. He just shouldn’t leave the door open.


9 posted on 02/19/2009 7:05:56 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: PA-RIVER

I’ve seen muslims who live in islamic states just move off to the side and pray where ever they are... they didn’t need a private room or a place for ritual washing.


10 posted on 02/19/2009 7:06:04 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That shows Muslims' relationship to chimps. Either will take your head off when they go insane.
11 posted on 02/19/2009 7:08:38 PM PST by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: Coleus

Dear Mrs. Awwad:

One the reasons people leave places like your former home is because the religion there has failed to make accommodations to modern times. This country is what it is because Christians, Jews and others have accommodated their faiths, without compromising their principles, to the realities of public education and public and private employment. You and your fellow believers need to seriously decide what to do: accommodate to this nation or go back home and accept all the disagreeable parts of living in a nation which accommodated itself to a medival religion.

Your choices are: open a private school, get a ruling from whatever authority you accept that schooltime and worktime prayers can be performed without being on the floor on a rug, allow prayers to pray five times a day but let them shift the times to accommodate their needs. Your faith is the one which needs to accommodate to modernity, not the other way around.

Sincerely,
Someone who prays daily on her own time


12 posted on 02/19/2009 7:09:35 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Post Toasties

Does Little Awwad have a butcher knife?


13 posted on 02/19/2009 7:09:53 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Post Toasties

What a bummer.

Poor Awwad cant pray ... or stone other children... poor kid


14 posted on 02/19/2009 7:12:43 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: caseinpoint

That was a good post. Too bad you are infidel and she won’t be able to read it.


15 posted on 02/19/2009 7:14:28 PM PST by max americana
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To: Coleus

Back in whatever hellhole he came out of.

In fact, give him the same privileges as Christians. Which is bupkiss.


16 posted on 02/19/2009 7:15:55 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: Coleus

Then why don’t you go back to your own country. I bet there are plenty of places to pray there.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 7:17:19 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Coleus

Geez these cute little muslim kids.

They blow up so quickly.


18 posted on 02/19/2009 7:17:29 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (NOW)
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To: Coleus

Screw the little devil worshipper.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 7:17:53 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: PA-RIVER

Go home.


20 posted on 02/19/2009 7:19:08 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: max americana

Yeah, I’m an infidel to a lot of people. It is frustrating, though, that Muslims come here and demand accommodation in everything while their own cultures do absolutely nothing to accommodate the faiths of others. It seems the height of hypocrisy to demand more than they are willing to grant others. (Of course, as an infidel I realize the reason is because they are The True Faith and I am doomed to go to Hell.)


21 posted on 02/19/2009 7:19:08 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Coleus
Muslims have been in this country for years without creating any problems and now since they have bombed the hell out of us they have become holy rollers.....
22 posted on 02/19/2009 7:21:45 PM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: Coleus

It appears they would let this child pray in the same place Christian children pray in Mecca. This is the start and with these people there is no end. Next: Foot baths and prayer rooms.


23 posted on 02/19/2009 7:21:50 PM PST by WildcatClan (Iam fimus mos ledo ventus apparatus)
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To: Coleus

Home school the little bugger. If you can’t make allowances for other religions then there shall be no allowances for Islam either.


24 posted on 02/19/2009 7:24:02 PM PST by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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To: Coleus

This, too, is jihad.


25 posted on 02/19/2009 7:24:20 PM PST by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Coleus
I wonder if Muslim schools in Muslim nations have a prayer place? I know there was none in my school in India.

This demand from boy's family needs to be stopped now. They should first go and ask the country they came from this benefit before coming here and demanding and trying to destroy this country bit by bit.

26 posted on 02/19/2009 7:28:12 PM PST by indianyogi
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To: FormerACLUmember

This just breaks my heart.

Next thing you know, he’ll be told he can’t kill infidels.

Somethings wrong with this world......


27 posted on 02/19/2009 7:30:00 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Coleus
....And lest anyone be confused about this story, allow me to clear it up for you.

This has NOTHING to do with providing a place for this kid to pray and has EVERYTHING to do with training the West to bow down and submit to Muslim demands.

28 posted on 02/19/2009 7:32:45 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Coleus

Here’s a place for you to go...Mecca, you little Moslem terrorist-to-be.


29 posted on 02/19/2009 7:33:40 PM PST by BlackjackPershing ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Winston Churchill)
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To: PA-RIVER

It amounts to a rote, ritual chanting of a set script. It is more like performing mantras than praying.

You know, that whole Matt 6:7,
“But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. KJV,”
thing that the Bible warned us against?


30 posted on 02/19/2009 7:33:56 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Coleus

So do Catholics also get a private space?

Lutherans another?

Baptists another?

What’s good for one is good for all.

Hey, I thought there wasn’t any praying in schools..........what goes? Oh, yeah, Muslim.


31 posted on 02/19/2009 7:34:35 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Lizavetta

Bump that truth!


32 posted on 02/19/2009 7:36:11 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: linn37

We need prayer rooms. For example, If a Nazi wants to pray to Hitler, he needs a private place for that. This is what school is all about.


33 posted on 02/19/2009 7:36:27 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Coleus

Give her a room right beside the private room for Christian prayer.


34 posted on 02/19/2009 7:38:27 PM PST by ottersnot (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants)
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To: Coleus

I’m fortunate (and thankful) in that the GOD I serve doesn’t require me to pray at a certain time of day. H doesn’t even require me to pray in privacy, or in the open.

He doesn’t require me to pray facing in any particular direction. He doesn’t require me to have a special place from which to pray.

I can pray standing, sitting, riding in a car, sitting on a bus or while at my computer. I thank him constantly that He has no strings attached to prayer other than HIS wish that I do pray.


35 posted on 02/19/2009 7:39:59 PM PST by doc1019
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To: ApplegateRanch

God point. Im Catholic, and I pray at least 10 times a day.

In my head.

I dont need a prayer rug. I just think it.

I never think of cutting heads off when I pray. Maybe something wrong with me?


36 posted on 02/19/2009 7:40:16 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Coleus

Just move up to Canada!

We’re so stupid (some of us) that we set aside a room in every public school for prayer (it has to face east). We also rearrange the seating - a muslim girl cannot have a male student seated in front of, behind, or on either side of her.

We Christians just flee the public school system....while our tax dollars keep paying for this insanity.


37 posted on 02/19/2009 7:40:22 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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ping


38 posted on 02/19/2009 7:42:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Salvation
So do Catholics also get a private space?

Lutherans another?

Baptists another?

What’s good for one is good for all.

Of course not. Catholics, Lutherans, and Baptists don't saw people's heads off when they don't get their way. Don't you understand logic?

39 posted on 02/19/2009 7:43:06 PM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Coleus; indcons
"All I want from the school is to let my son pray in a private place in a small room, say his prayer and go back to class," she said.

Sure it is..... for now.....

And then when the school capitulates to THAT demand, there'll be another, and another, and another.....

And before you know it, it'll be sharia law and headscarves for everyone.

She can homeschool if the school doesn't meet her needs.

40 posted on 02/19/2009 7:44:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
We’re so stupid (some of us) that we set aside a room in every public school for prayer (it has to face east). We also rearrange the seating - a muslim girl cannot have a male student seated in front of, behind, or on either side of her.

We Christians just flee the public school system....while our tax dollars keep paying for this insanity.

And I'm sure the muslims in Canada often spare a moment to be thankful for the multicultural tolerance and accommodating spirit of the gentle people of the country that welcomed them.

Snort.

41 posted on 02/19/2009 7:46:50 PM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: caseinpoint

Well, I am headed to hell too, being an infidel. How many virgins do we get in Muslim hell?


42 posted on 02/19/2009 7:47:14 PM PST by max americana
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To: Salvation

Are there any jews in his class?

God forbid....


43 posted on 02/19/2009 7:47:47 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: max americana

Don’t know. Let’s ask Mohammed Atta and his friends.


44 posted on 02/19/2009 7:49:11 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: PA-RIVER

Sorry, the Jewish children need a place to pray also!


45 posted on 02/19/2009 7:53:13 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus

Back in the 70s I would on occasion be transported around the Indonesian oil patch on an Indonesian work boat with an Indonesian crew. One of the crew would pray regularly. He would check the compass, roll out his prayer rug and do what he did. No one paid him any mind or ever said anything. Everyone went about their business as did he.

This parent is full of crap.


46 posted on 02/19/2009 8:05:06 PM PST by Bobibutu
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To: PA-RIVER

How about a nice holy outhouse — most are already marked with the crescent and have a place to wash feet.


47 posted on 02/19/2009 8:08:12 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Coleus
Rola's Info:

62 Point View Pkwy
Wayne, NJ 07470-2064
(973) 628-0004

48 posted on 02/19/2009 8:23:51 PM PST by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: Coleus

I hear the bottom of the Mariana Trench is lovely this time of year.


49 posted on 02/19/2009 8:25:55 PM PST by TaoOfSteve
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To: Coleus

They could always home school.


50 posted on 02/19/2009 8:38:18 PM PST by proudpapa (Obama - The Worst One Ever!)
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