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Climate change could end California farming: Chu
Reuters ^ | February 4, 2009

Posted on 02/04/2009 1:27:32 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of Energy Steven Chu warned climate change could wipe out California's farms by the end of the century by destroying snowpack that supplies vital water to the nation's top agriculture state, the Los Angeles Times reported on Wednesday.

In his first interview since taking office last month, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist said his home state would suffer some of the most devastating effects of global warming if the nation did not act to slow its advance.

"I don't think the American public has gripped in its gut what could happen," Chu told the newspaper. "We're looking at a scenario where there's no more agriculture in California.

"I don't actually see how they can keep their cities going," he added.

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(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globaloney; theendisnear
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1 posted on 02/04/2009 1:27:32 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Nobel Prize-winning...

Wow, he has the same prize as Assar Arafat. He MUST be smart. Or, a terrorist.

2 posted on 02/04/2009 1:29:21 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, that’s good. I’m sick and tired of California advertising IN WISCONSIN how great their dairy production is. Their tax money is well spent here.


3 posted on 02/04/2009 1:29:58 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: Puppage

Goracle has one too.


4 posted on 02/04/2009 1:30:22 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

. . and what is going to happen to India as our climate ‘changes’?


5 posted on 02/04/2009 1:31:04 PM PST by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! Thank You ~ U..S.A. Military~/)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I presume the Secretary of Ag is also saying we’re doomed and gonna die within the year?


6 posted on 02/04/2009 1:31:15 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“”I don’t think the American public has gripped in its gut what could happen,” Chu told the newspaper. “We’re looking at a scenario where there’s no more agriculture in California. “

We’ll just buy our food from Northern Canada, Alaska and the North Pole.

Not a problem.


7 posted on 02/04/2009 1:31:21 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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To: Indy Pendance

I agree. We can trade them a dump truck full of snow for each cow.


8 posted on 02/04/2009 1:31:48 PM PST by tractorman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This arse-hole should be worried about those snow banks failing to melt and drying up as a source of water... after all the real science shows we are headed into a global cooling phase! Climate change has been with us since GOD made the Earth... and we see this happen in most places about four times each year! If kalifornicate wants to kill itself, let it do so without costing the other 49 States a single penny!

LLS

9 posted on 02/04/2009 1:32:11 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
The Nobel Prize has become a joke. Period.

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

10 posted on 02/04/2009 1:33:17 PM PST by steelyourfaith (BO has been POTUS two weeks and I still have to buy my gas and pay my mortgage. What's up with that?)
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To: tractorman

California is so 80’s.


11 posted on 02/04/2009 1:33:34 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Climate change could end California farming: Chu

"Or not." -- Marty_Fierro

12 posted on 02/04/2009 1:33:48 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Climate change could end California farming: Chu

This man needs to be challenged with the real science by a non-agendized scientist.

It's so shameful that somebody of science can be stripped of a conscience and integrity by an agenda and politics.
13 posted on 02/04/2009 1:34:09 PM PST by adorno
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To: Puppage

Many Nobel prize are given based on political considerations, i.e. how to serve liberal policies, including the scientific ones.


14 posted on 02/04/2009 1:34:31 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: tractorman

I have to admit, the commercials are cute.


15 posted on 02/04/2009 1:35:03 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: Puppage

Nobel Peace Prize? Like Al Gore? That pretty much says how irrelevant it is.
Did this numbskull ever heard of the sun?


16 posted on 02/04/2009 1:35:20 PM PST by max americana
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To: jveritas
Many Nobel prize are given based on political considerations, i.e. how to serve liberal policies, including the scientific ones.

Oh, I am well aware of that. I was just feeling a little sarcastic.

17 posted on 02/04/2009 1:35:43 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But let me guess... by raising taxes, destroying free enterprise, supporting millions of illegals and following a strict, leftist agenda, all will be well again! Gee, am I smart or what!


18 posted on 02/04/2009 1:36:50 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Oldpuppymax

You forgot the holy grail of the radical green left; redistributing income/wealth,


19 posted on 02/04/2009 1:37:56 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

You must be a bitter clinger.


20 posted on 02/04/2009 1:38:10 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Limbaugh/Palin 2012)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Chu told the newspaper. "We're looking at a scenario where there's no more agriculture in California.

Yes, your socialist tax & spend policies will put them all out of business.

Idiot.

21 posted on 02/04/2009 1:38:15 PM PST by Flycatcher (Strong copy for a strong America)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I looked this guy up as soon as I heard that Obama was appointing him. He is a KOOK.

The three most damaging thing Obama will do are:

1. Culture of death. Baby killing like we’ve never seen before, at the taxpayer’s expense, and no limits whatever. If your ten year old daughter gets pregnant, you as a parent will have no rights whatever to stop the rapist from taking her to an abortion clinic.

2. The economy. A looming great depression, brought about by decades of financial abuses and government idiocy, will be made much worse by Obama’s stupidity.

3. The environment. We will run out of food and freeze in the dark if these kooks have their way. And Obama is determined that they will.

Those are his three highest priorities. Giving the world back to Islam will have to wait a little longer.


22 posted on 02/04/2009 1:41:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It must be remembered that all of California has been considered a natural desert area since its early discovery by Spanish explorers and missionaries, here in a short series of agriculture evolution from a history work in progress we find this:

“California agriculture has been shaped by the absence
of water in the right place. It has always been in search
of more water and has been an aggressive participant in
water debates (wars?) with both internal and external
competing interests. Fourth, California agriculture has
always depended on a large supply of agricultural labor
for cultivating and harvesting its abundant produce from
both relatively large-scale operations and specialty-crop
farms. The source of a stable supply of field labor has
varied over time with immigrants from Asia and the
Americas. Fifth, California agriculture has grown rapidly
and almost continuously, although it has been periodically
buffeted by natural catastrophes (e.g., floods, droughts)
and adverse economic shocks (e.g., the Great Depression,
various recessions). Sixth, California agriculture, at
least since the Gold Rush, has required very high levels
of management skills—both technical and economic. It
has always been dominated by large-scale operations that
have grown in complexity and sophistication. Seventh, it
has always been on the technological frontier in developing,
modifying, or stealing new technologies, such as
large-scale mechanical technology, irrigation equipment,
horticulture/plant varieties, pest control, food processing,
and wine making.
If we are to understand where California agriculture
might go in the 21st Century, we must understand the
forces that have shaped California agriculture to date.
Therefore, we trace that evolution in more detail in terms
of eight epochs or historical vignettes grouped in three
clusters—pre-20th Century and the first and the second
halves of the 20th Century:”

http://giannini.ucop.edu/pdfs/giannini04-1b.pdf


23 posted on 02/04/2009 1:48:39 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
This arse-hole should be worried about those snow banks failing to melt and drying up as a source of water...

Absolutely. Southern California (and Hollywood!) will run out of water and consume itself in riots and gang wars long before the central California farms run out of water.

24 posted on 02/04/2009 1:50:22 PM PST by paulycy ("BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex")
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To: Cicero
He is a KOOK.

He was a relatively harmless kook. Now he has the power of the federal government. Absolutely scary.

25 posted on 02/04/2009 1:53:49 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Old Professer

I guess this means the farms, vinyards, orchards, groves and migrant workers will all re-locate to Washington state.


26 posted on 02/04/2009 1:56:39 PM PST by csmusaret (Call any Congresscritter at 1-877-762-8762. Tell them what you think.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
All the a**hat has to do is look at the sierras right now, we have a record snowpack.

The only time our snowpack ever diminished in the time I have lived here(I moved here at 3 years of age, with my mother's help, in 1945)was when we had the big drought in the 1980s.

There is nothing that is going to get rid of all that snow in the winter at 7 to 9 thousand feet and actually lower than 7,000. Snow leveL is about 3,000 ft right now in the northeast Sierras, and I am not that far north. I can tell this dumb a** how we can conserve water if he is all that worried, we can make LA and other Southern CA cities build nukes to desalinize the ocean, we would then have more water than we could ever use. Build them and mount them in the Ocean and we would have water galore, no matter what happened to the climate.

This guy is either totally stupid or has an agenda, I would believe he is both stupid and has an agenda.

27 posted on 02/04/2009 1:57:31 PM PST by calex59
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Most “scientists” are bottle washers and button sorters.

LAZARUS LONG


28 posted on 02/04/2009 2:00:23 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (!yaw gnorw eht su gnikat si noitartsinimdA amabO ehT)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Elections have consequences.

We'll all be living in TeePee's and wearing loincloths before this is all over.

29 posted on 02/04/2009 2:00:24 PM PST by Big_Monkey
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To: jveritas
Many Nobel prize are given based on political considerations..

Chu's was not. It was a real Nobel, given in 1997, for for the "development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light." He deserves respect as a scientist, but that does not mean he doesn't have his head shoved up his a$$ on this matter, which is well outside of his field of expertise. I've known more than one scientist who pursued ideas outside of their area of knowledge with a fervor that substituted for religion.

30 posted on 02/04/2009 2:00:30 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Climate change could end California farming: Chu

Oh, come on, Chu! Take a stand. Climate change could end all life on earth. That sounds more impressive, don't you think? Who needs farming when we are all dead? /s

31 posted on 02/04/2009 2:01:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Climate change could end California farming: Chu"

I concur, not much grows on glaciers...

32 posted on 02/04/2009 2:02:31 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Pearls Before Swine
You are right that the prize was awarded for a good scientific achievement but don't you think that the Nobel Prize committees in Sweden and Norway are aware of the liberal politics of the people they give the prize to? They are aware of it and they give it mostly to people who share the same socialist liberal dogma even when it comes to scientific issues.
33 posted on 02/04/2009 2:04:10 PM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Liberals just keep going and going and going...


34 posted on 02/04/2009 2:07:34 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: jveritas
You are right that the prize was awarded for a good scientific achievement but don't you think that the Nobel Prize committees in Sweden and Norway are aware of the liberal politics of the people they give the prize to?

Its tempting to say that, but its hard to say if that happened here without having been a fly on the wall. Its also hard to say how well known Chu's views were a decade ago.

That said, we'd probably agree that someone like, say Ted Nugent, or Ann Coulter would be unlikely to be offered a scientific Nobel if they had world class talent in a scientific area!

35 posted on 02/04/2009 2:08:55 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: paulycy
Amen... and they built LA in a desert... and then they complain that they have no water.

LLS

36 posted on 02/04/2009 2:09:58 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I don’t think the American public has gripped in its gut what could happen,” Chu told the newspaper.

Mr. Chu is absolutely, 100% right. The majority of the American public doesn't know all the forces promoting every doomsday scenario without ANY form of proof. Most of the American public doesn't know that this is all predictions made by scientists that are either on board because they believe in a socialist/one world future or because they love their job and will play along just to get along. Most of the American public does not know how drastic the measures that these socialists are willing to go in the name of "protecting us" from the ravages of Global Warming.

Most of the American public doesn't know all the previous predictions that have been made in the last 40 years that have never come to pass. Most of the American public doesn't know about the conflicts of interest and utter hypocrisy of folks like Al Gore, James Hansen, Thomas Friedman, Ariana Huffington and on and on. Most of the public doesn't know that the pro-Global Warming theorists have funding that well bypasses doubting scientists by 100-to-1. Most of the American public doesn't know of the nature of the computer models or the lack of replication (because the "scientists" refuse to publish their computer models) or the true nature of ice loss vs. ice gain ratios both above and below sea level or natural cylindrical forces that are being shown more and more to be the true cause of any fluctuation.

But as the Global Warming zealots continue their blind conflict-of-interest march, the American public will soon learn how almost any tangible product or service for sale can be required to "pay-as-you-go" with carbon taxes or the actual banning of products/industries that are deemed "too damaging". The American public will soon learn the pipe dream of the elimination of fossil fuels and nuclear technology being replaced with wind, solar, hydro, etc. The American public will soon know how the climate has not only gotten colder but indicates it will continue to get colder.

The American public will soon learn about the lack of "green living" by the major supporters/proponents of laws to "curb" Global Warming. The American public will soon learn that it will be the small guy or gal, armed with a digital camera and/or voice recorder or drudging through public records that will get to the truth and how that truth can not be thwarted completely in the internet age.

37 posted on 02/04/2009 2:12:03 PM PST by torchthemummy (My apologies if this post retreads on ground already covered!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I agree, this guy is a physicist, and physics is not meteorology. Most of the scientists who have endorsed global warming have no basis for an opinion on the subject.


38 posted on 02/04/2009 2:12:48 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

George Orwell would certainly be proud of the way in which the term “Global Warming” has almost overnight morphed into “Climate Change”.


39 posted on 02/04/2009 2:12:58 PM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In his first interview since taking office last month, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist said his home state would suffer some of the most devastating effects of global warming if the nation did not act to slow its advance.

Because of the overwhelming scientific evidence that climate change is caused solely by the Sun, what does Chu plan to do to control our Sun? There are no SUVs on the Sun, or Mars, or Venus for that matter.

Did Chu receive one of those politically motivated Nobel prizes? Does Nobel approve of the political basis his Nobel prizes are now awarded?

What does Chu recommend should we be on the threshold of global cooling? If it is so cold that the ice does not melt what happens to agriculture in California?

We would have quite a party if "ifs and buts" were peanuts and nuts.

40 posted on 02/04/2009 2:14:02 PM PST by olezip
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

California should be ramping up desalinization capabilities as a source of fresh water, but that’s not California’s only evident lack of planning.

As it’s populace grows, very little is done to increase water supplies, power production, or expanded infrastructure. Highways that will be carrying 50% more people in 25 years are not being expanded. Personal vehicles are being lampooned by the leftists. City, country, regional, and state planners simply refuse to recognize and plan for these realities.

On the tube we are told to cut water usage. We are told to turn off our appliances. We are told that buying cars that get bad gas mileage is bad. Then we are told the state is losing tax dollars because we bought cars that get better mileage.

The state government can’t figure out that it can’t spend like drunken sailors forever. And when the budget goes bust, they can’t just ignore it. But hey, that’s exactly what we have going on these days.


41 posted on 02/04/2009 2:18:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
One would thing that Dr. Chu, physicist, would have respect for absorption spectra.


42 posted on 02/04/2009 2:19:20 PM PST by Diogenesis (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Just to be clear, you are not a California elected official, Right? LOL


43 posted on 02/04/2009 2:19:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Because of "climate change?" Bunk.

The real threats to agriculture in California are from primarily Democratic politicians and those who influence them. There is still the land-grabbing threat of eminent domain. There is the "death tax" where those who inherit land may be forced to give land up to developers or the government to pay off this tax. There are the environmentalist types who will dictate what you can or cannot do to your land, plus they will manipulate how much water you are allotted (they even wish to get rid of dams, making reservoirs of needed water scarce).

44 posted on 02/04/2009 2:19:36 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: EQAndyBuzz
What's Chu going to do? Attack the Mega-Polluter Climate Changing China?
45 posted on 02/04/2009 2:22:16 PM PST by Chgogal (Don't look at me. You elected them, Comrade!)
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To: Big_Monkey

There’s some people I wouldn’t mind seeing in loin clothes, but OTOH there’s a whole lot of people I really, really, really don’t want to see in loin cloths.


46 posted on 02/04/2009 2:25:24 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: The Duke
George Orwell would certainly be proud of the way in which the term “Global Warming” has almost overnight morphed into “Climate Change”.

The more sophisticated kool-aid drinkers/distributors use "climate change" in Winter and "global warming" in the Summer.

47 posted on 02/04/2009 2:33:14 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Smart, and faster than me!


48 posted on 02/04/2009 2:52:42 PM PST by pingman (Damn the parasites, full speed ahead!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Climate change could end California farming: Chu

And U.S. Secretary of Energy Steven Chu could come flying out of my butt.

We are certainly living in scary times...

49 posted on 02/04/2009 3:06:21 PM PST by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Guess there will be a lot of cheap farmland available.


50 posted on 02/04/2009 3:09:37 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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