Posted on 02/02/2009 9:41:42 AM PST by stillafreemind
Gas prices were too high and we weren't green enough. Fine, buy an electric car or gas saving car and all is fine. Right? Wrong. The Oregon Governor thinks gas taxes are going away. His answer? Tax the miles you drive. Tax the miles you drive with GPS technology. Think they are kidding? They're not.
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We in the world is MILEAGE the prob?
Wouldn’t it be easier to tax FUEL?
We are going to cars that use less or no gasoline.
Do you want a road tax on your electric bill? How about when you buy corn oil?
i have a prediction: my gps unit will fail to function properly... often ;-)
Papers, I mean, electons, please ...
Imagine the tax that will put on consumer goods, groceries etc. A single semi truck driver puts on an easy 4000 miles a week.
Freakin’ Government, always trying to squeeze more out of us.
The article says that since people are buying hybrids and such that not as much gas will be sold, so not as much tax income will occur.
This way I guess anything that moves on a road that has GPS will be taxed per mile.
Sneaky little rats aren’t they?
This crap is being forced down our throats in Oregon, Damn Tax-n-gouge me. He have the WORST taxation for roads , its so complex its impossible for trucking companies to get right, AND a Gas tax, and now they want a Mileage Tax. If it comes down to that, I will NOT buy a new car again evah, not until I can find someone to remove the GPS anyway. I am NOT going to meekly go along with this crap.
If i’m being taxed for the miles I drive instead of the fuel i use, I’m going to buy a bigger truck.
This has nothing to do with taxes. It is an effort to track and control our every move, and it must be stopped.
Why can’t we squeeze them out of office? Why isn’t the public cry for less government spending not squeezed into their heads?
The thinking behind the mileage problem is that they already have a high fuel tax and voters aren’t going to look kindly at raising the cost of gasoline. The mileage tax hits rural dwellers harder than city people because rural and suburban people drive further, although not necessarily, longer commutes. It’s kind of like taxing smokers. They want to tax people who are not necessarily the Democrat voters.
A mileage-based tax would be more appropriate, but would be much more difficult (and costly) to collect.
They just won’t stop until we stop them. And to think that is how British rule ended...
Don't be so sure about this. Using a GPS-based system of taxation will also allow a government to impose levels of taxation that vary by location and time of day. So the "tax" for driving on a congested urban street during rush hour could be higher than the tax for driving on an uncrowded rural road.
Oregon voters can stop this dead in its tracks with a ballot initiative, what are they waiting for? Stalin and Hitler could have been so lucky to have had something like this.
Got on star? It's already done. And they've had little black boxes in cars since the 70's. Insurance co"s can tell when you're lying.
Yes. Raising the fuel tax is the logical solution to the problem, which shows that the people who have been elected to various legisatures are idiots. Of course they are greedy idiots so I'd look at the money angle. What companies would benefit from mandated GPS devices in cars and which politicians are they giving money to?
Yup that's exactly what it is, an attempt to control people's lifestyle.
The only difference is such a system isn't mandatory nor controlled by the government.
Yeah, but the green governments would want to nail the rural people for burning the most gas, and use this tax as “punishment” for living in rural places. They want everyone crowded into cities to preserve the precious green space.
Right. But one difference with electric utilities is that the utility company has the ability to charge higher rates for the electricity you use during periods of peak demand. A motor fuel tax has no comparable mechanism in place, which is why we have roads that are congested during certain parts of the day and nearly empty at other times.
Don't bet on it. Law enforcement can get access to on star systems.
Look, they can’t even get people to pick up a free converter box so TV can go digital. You think people are going to put a GPS in an old car? What is the cost to government to retrofit the poor underclass’s cars?
That’s not what I have heard is in the plan. The plan was to hit the rural drivers. They also want smog control inspections that would take the old farm trucks off the road. They plan to offer $4500 tax credit to get the old vehicles off the road. You can’t buy a newer replacement truck for $4500. We have an old ‘93 truck that we use around the property or driving to the dump. We drive it so seldom that we have an occasional use insurance policy on it. We just call the insurer whenever we are going to drive it. Limousine
liberals don’t drive clunkers, this regulation will hit the old, the poor and the rural dewellers.
On Star can be used to slow or stop your vehicle as well, IIRC.
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Sure if the information exists they can most likely access it just like divorce lawyers or juvenile courts can. The difference is it isn't mandatory, if you don't want such a system in your car no one is saying you have to. When they do then it becomes big brother.
And when onstar systems are put in every car, the police can just point that special little device at an onstar equipped car and shut it down, even if the onstar subscription isn't activated. Onstar also has GPS, so once they know the onstar ident. code they can track the car as well.
Picture a message on the gas pump saying your request for fuel has been denied, since your GPS unit indicates you should have a full tank.
Its more than just a tax—this is a MASSIVE invasion of privacy to facilitate a tax. And I bet all those Liberals who screamed bloody murder over the Patriot Act will be just fine with this travesty.
But if I want to totally disable or even remove any onstar system I can do so and there’s no law to stop me.
Itwillbe when theytake over G.M.
If this is put into place, it won’t be long before you begin to receive in the mail bills for speeding.
That’s where the ballot initiative comes in, they need to make it clear now that they won’t tolerate such an invasion of privacy.
Actually I picture a scanner system in all Law Enforcement Vehicles that scan vehicles and note any malfunctions of Government Owned Monitoring Systems. One would know they were in trouble when they see flashing lights in the rear view mirror and then confiscation of the vehicle for Noncompliance.
Welcome to Obamanation.
Once the Camel's nose is Under the tent they won't stop!
They’ll nationalize OnStar as part of universal healthcare and make it manditory.
There will be put in every car by 2012 I think, whether you want it or not. Your only option is whether you want to activate the service. The law enforcement tools have already been developed as well. Don't think the engineers and marketing people at GM are stupid. They'll try make a buck where there is a buck to be made. And if they can make a buck on more than just the person who buys a car, well why not? they figure. Just like those black boxes they developed in the 70's they are in every car, and YOU pay for it, but they are for law end insurance company's benefit. Accident scene investigators access them when they need to as ell. You can look in your car and see it. It's either under the drivers seat or on the firewall under the dash, or by the parking brake pedal on the side by your feet under the fuse panel. It's just a little flat retangle metal box with a mess of wires coming out of it.
I have a prediction: It will take high school kids less than a month to beat this system.
exactly.
Actually, you are not. That same fuel efficient car weighs half what that SUV weighs. Damage to the highway is reduced significantly. The vehicle size is smaller and you can fit more in the same space as the equivalent number of SUVs.
Remember one thing.........government doesn’t like people living in rural areas. They have less control over them because they are very independent. They want everyone living in the big cities. Around the country, counties are restricting the building in rural areas, more and more. Our government is also buying up land so you can’t build on it. Last I heard, years ago, the Feds owned 80% of the land in Oregon. How much do they own in your state?
Any measure like this that is implemented in any state will be an utter failure. We can't even keep illegal aliens from driving on our highways with no license, no registration, no insurance, etc. How the hell is any state going to enforce this -- and ensure its workability -- to the extent necessary to raise the revenue they expect to get from it?
What happens if I physically remove it, would I go to jail or get fined?
You know those anti theft scanners you see at department stores? They can also read the numbers on your bank or credit cards you have in your wallet. Law enforcement also has access to those security systems, and can track your movements to a certain extent already if they really wanted to, and probably do in some places to test systems out.
Financially, the biggest impact a motorist has on the roadway system is the aggregate "lost time" all of the motorists experience under congested conditions.
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