Posted on 01/31/2009 8:20:07 PM PST by LuxMaker
Slideshow: Oakland Train Station Shooting
OAKLAND, Calif. – The transit officer who shot and killed an unarmed man may have mistakenly pulled his service pistol instead of a stun gun, his lawyer said Friday.
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Well then; that excuses everything.
And the looks on the faces of the cops whose faces were inches away from the Glock when he fired it.
It’s like the guy who pulls the pin on a grenade and throws the pin.
I "may have" been pulling the wrong lever all these years by voting in these people who hired these people and gave them the mission to be put in the position to pull the "wrong" gun.
That’s the only possible defense that could be raised. It was called by more than a few people on threads here when it happened. I wasn’t aware that Glocks felt so much like Tasers.
Inconsistencies abound and I just noticed that the after action police report is strangely not mentioned.
Many tasers have pistol grips and actually simulate the feel of a pistol.
Actually, the first defense I thought of was to claim that he meant to call for backup, and mistook the trigger on his gun for the “talk” button on his walkie-talkie. This is WAY better.
The only possible defense that doesn’t implicate the cop deliberately killing the guy.
He probably did pull the wrong weapon. Maybe they shouldn’t have such a number of things on their belt if they have a hard time keeping track of them. Besides they’re trained and they still make a mistake like this.
Even if they felt similar. There’s a little bit of a weight difference don’t you think?
Oakland cops were reporting immediately after the incident that the tasers and pistols have completely different grips, and that officers go through training in order to distinguish between them in actual use. These cops said no way can you confuse the use of a pistol with a taser. This is a very weak defense.
Let any “civilian” try such a lame arsed excuse and see just how long he spends in prison.
Saying “Oops, my bad!” isn’t good enough when a man is dead.
And why would he be intending to use a tazer on a man in handcuffs in the first place? Inflicting a bit of blue justice perhaps?
Tasers are carried on the weak hand side.Pistols are carried on the strong hand side.
OBTW why did he need a taser ?
Subject was face down and under control.
According to the article they claim they had not handcuffed him yet when the victim allegedly went for his waistband for a possible weapon.
It was my understanding he was handcuffed, if this is the first time I’ve heard he wasn’t.
I've noticed that, in the tasers I've seen at gun shows. Major design flaw.
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I really need to proofread better.
This was obviously and accidental shooting.
These punks went out looking for trouble and they found it.
I live in the SF Bay Area and I talked to several friends who were riding the BART ( Bay Area Rapid Transit) trains that night, and they said the trains were packed with groups of thugs from Richmond and Oakland and they were picking fights and starting trouble.
This Oscar Grant character was no angel, as he was 22 years old and already had several arrests and was on parole, and a young child.
Bogus. Lord help us if you have a nervous twitch because a cop is kneeling on your neck while you're held face down, and that's just cause for another cop to pull the trigger on you. This is simply a bad cop that needs to be put away for good.
Don’t know what models they had, but there sure are models that mimic handguns. Be that as may, you’re right that it is a very weak defense.
I've noticed that, in the tasers I've seen at gun shows. Major design flaw.
If the Department chose a taser that in any way mimics
the service pistol, they, the Department, would be liable.
The guy was flat on his belly, why taze him?
Well, the guy's been arrested and charged with murder, so I suppose they could lynch him, drag him through the streets or something. Maybe just beat the ever loving crap out of him and then shoot him a few times.
WTF else is the justice system supposed to do? He's been charged, it will go to a grand jury, then to trail and whatever the sentence is.
BTW, a civilian I knew beat a guy to death with a 2X4 and got probation. He ended up doing about five years later when he was busted for a DWI, which violated his probation.
trail=trial. Sorry.
To lawyer: There is a huge difference between an explanation and a valid excuse.
At no point have I suggested he be lynched.
I was expressing my disgust at such a ridiculous excuse for taking a life.
Care to cut a little bit more of that whole cloth?
And then the cops rushed around and forcibly confiscated the camera phones of all the onlookers (except for a few who beat it out of there before the cops could steal their property).
your 3 points are dead on the money Dr. what a freakin’ joke.
I need to pay better attention I guess. I had not heard about this.
No problem at all.
The transit officer who shot and killed an unarmed man may have mistakenly pulled his service pistol instead of a stun gun, his lawyer said Friday."may have" makes it neither. It means either the ex-cop is refusing to talk to his lawter, or the lawyer is testing an argument to see how it will sound to the jury pool.
or he killed the guy in a blind rage and the look of horror on his face is because he realized...oops my life is over just like this guys. The police chased down people trying to get the cell phone cameras away from them...Where do you suppose these cell phones are now?
Well I’ve seen multiple videos...one cop hit this guy before the shooting. He sure didn’t look like he was resisting to me. But I get it...Cops have the right to kill those they consider to be bad guys at will. You better hope they don’t mistake you for one of these bad guys...you could take a dirt nap.
Happens to me all the time. I always wondered why the stun gun made so much noise though.
I live in Oakland and travel past Fruitvale daily.
It was an accident, the funny part is the “protestors” are mainly Left Wingers funded by Soros from San Francisco (white kids/agitiators).
These protestors also had nothing to say about the other 125 murders in Oakland the past 12 months.
It was an accident, the funny part is the “protestors” are mainly Left Wingers funded by Soros from San Francisco (white kids/agitiators).
These protestors also had nothing to say about the other 125 murders in Oakland the past 12 months.
Like this Fatal Shooting in Oakland, no protests or outcry here!
As commenters to this article said:
"Another shooting in Oakland. Shocking, very shocking."
"Exactly. Where are the protestors? Where is the demand for justice for this victim of homocide? Those who use the race card for personal gain or advantage sicken me since in these cases, it was never about resolution or equality."
"I have a feeling that this will not result in protests at City Hall, the Court House or OPD. Someone commented because there is no video. That is BS, because there is a "stop snitchen" mentality that permeates the ghetto. If the video footage from New Year's Eve depicted a thug shooting another thug over dope, cash and/or both, it would not have made it to the media or the police because people are scared to do the right thing unless it is sensational or can bring in the big money. As with much in Oakland...TO BE CONTINUED...."
The cops illegally confiscated camera phones from those people they saw around them and their video didn't make it to the news feeds. The video we saw on network TV news stations was mainly from passengers on a train who were able to conceal their cameras until the train left the station. The video clearly showing the cop drawing his pistol and shooting the victim, as well as the video showing the other cop beating the victim, originated from camera phones operated inside the BART passenger car.
So?????
Do you have proof of that? Not all kids in Oakland are black; therefore not all the white kid protesters are from San Francisco. My youngest daughter has lived there for the last several years, and has survived despite being white. This is not a black & white issue.
The years of Liberalism and illigitimacy of 80-90% have taken their toll on Oakland. The cops guard good areas (Piedmont, Montclair Village, Crocker Highlands) but the black and Latin areas are literally a mixture of burnt-out blight mixed with Tijuana decor. It is horrific.
We are moving soon, the “party” has started moving near us in the hills.
No it is mainly Left Wingers who see an opportunity to riot, and yes, I live here and was in downtown Oakland three days this week...
Proof? Just watch the news.
The kid shouldn’t have been shot, period. He may get off with a lesser sentence, but no one tells you he was a gang member and had a huge rap sheet. The Media conveniently leaves that out.
I would be very outraged if it were someone I knew, but the protests just demonstrate how 125 murders go “un-noticed” in the same time period.
The rest of Oakland is more permeable. There are no municipal borders to stop crime's creep up into the hills. Any place with good freeway access beckons to the thugs.
When I was a kid we'd go for family drives in the flatlands, but in the '70s Dad expressed misgivings about riding down East 14th Street, and we eventually stopped going there.
I’m not a big cop supporter, but it’s hard to believe this is anything other than a tragic, tragic accident. What... the cop felt he was being disrespected so he drew his service revolver and shot a guy in the back with 30 witnesses looking on? I just don’t believe it.
BART should stop hiring cops who are gang members with a huge rap sheets.
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