Skip to comments.Cardinal Mahony under federal fraud probe over abusive priests, sources say
Posted on 01/28/2009 5:39:18 PM PST by hole_n_one
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It’s commonly known in L.A. that Mahoney is up to his ears in activity that would, to say the least, not be considered in the best public relations interests of the Catholic Church. That’s probably all I dare say.
Next they’ll be going after all the guilty public school officials I am sure. < /sarcasm>
It’s about time that the Cardinal be brought to answer for his actions.
Would prefer if he were under interdict...
...but, his status notwithstanding, I won’t shed many tears about this...
I’m just going by what I’ve heard, but Cardinal Mahoney is definitely one of the major bad guys in the Church. The sooner he gets the boot, the better.
Agreed but the U.S. Attorney needs to also enpanel a grand jury over Obama’s BC or missing BC.
Cardinal Mahoney, my local Cardinal, is looking at a price tag larger than other dioceses for gay abuses (probably over $1 billion). He is already asking for money from each of his 295 parishes and has made the wealthy and traditional Catholics feel like strangers.
This is a good thing. And I’m a Catholic.
They say he’s the founder of our gay hierarchy.
Along w/ Weakland...
Where does that infamous “Separation of Church and State” enter into this?
Victims of child sexual abuse are haunted for many years up into adulthood. Even more so by someone they trusted and perceived as godly protectors.
Just freakin horrible.
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Let’s hope he gets booted somewhere other than to Rome like Cardinal Law.
“Its commonly known in L.A. that Mahoney is up to his ears in activity that would, to say the least, not be considered in the best public relations interests of the Catholic Church. Thats probably all I dare say.”
If they find something on him - then throw the book at him.
It’s about time a new man was put in charge of L.A. anyway.
“Lets hope he gets booted somewhere other than to Rome like Cardinal Law.”
The police had their shot at Law, and they decided to pass.
That’s when he was sent to Rome.
If they’ve got the goods on Mahoney, then I hope he pays.
No where-that applies to government establishment of a religion or freedom of religious expression. Investigations of common crimes don't really impact the "separation", though sometimes there is a conflict between Native American religions and drug laws.
But in the end, nothing will happen to Mahony; like OJ, he's got the "juice" in LA to avoid any indictment or trial.
Will Mahoney join Cardinal Law at some Church in Rome or will he get some help from Carlos Vigliero (don’t remember the correct spelling) the drug dealer for whom Mahoney recommended and got a pardon from Bill Clinton?
Rome should have sent a Holy Inquisition to the United States precisely in order to deal over the heads of Mahoney and others like him. Can’t say I am unsympathetic when the state is doing the Church’s job.
Time for Cardinal Mahoney to step down. Expect the Vatican to give him marching orders to step down.
I have very low regard, generally, for the way Mahoney has exercised his ministry. From what I know, he appears to be perpetually allied with objective evil. He has done more to harm the gospel through his wayward teaching regarding moral issues, to say nothing of his alleged involvement in any sex scandals or cover-ups.
HOWEVER: it is quite dangerous when the federal government thinks it can base a prosecution on the concept that the government can decide when a church’s worship activities and religious education classes “deprive another of the intangible right of honest services.”
If that is the case, it won’t be long before the feds think they can use this same “deprivation of honest sservices” theory to arrest churchmen who preach false doctrines.
...Unless the Vatican, which will get wind of this will start to turn the heat up on Mahoney because P B16 wants NO MORE PROBLEMS from the USA RC Church.
This federal action is associated with pre-existing criminal complaints, so I don’t think it has the potential to go any further.
They almost got Mahony years ago, but he did some sort of legal dodge that basically prevented any one from examining his personal actions in these cases. (He is known to have been virtually complicit in some of them, helping the offenders to hide and escape.) I can’t remember how he got around it, but basically, he offered up the money of his diocese in a settlement that was designed to protect him personally.
I hope they nail him this time around.
As a practicing Catholic, I hope they nail him, too.
Actually they tried to serve papers on Law one Friday afternoon. The person answering the door said he wasn’t home. The next morning he flew, first class, to Rome.
I never heard that before.
I thought the situation was that the police did not choose to pursue the case.
Did the police inform the Vatican they were trying to serve papers?
I’m in LA. I cannot stand Mahoney, and the sooner he is replaced the better. Just what I read in Mother Angelica’s book about his ruthless attempts to silence/ destroy her were horrific.
At the same time, I am still curious what part of this is aimed at bringing the Catholic Church to its knees. Is it really just for the ‘unserved’ members, such a righteous goal?
Who is prosecuting? Why? Where is the money going?
The Catholic Church has been a target in too many countries over history, with disastrous results.
Perhaps our good pope could just ‘retire’ the Archbishop now.
He should be in Barstow hearing and going to confession as a simple priest.
If the feds put him in jail, justice will be served.
The phrase "honest services" is entirely nebulous and its definition seems to to rest on what the government says it is. Any government prosecution of this type gives me the chills.
It's not too much of a stretch to imagine some slick lawyer working on behalf of the gay lobby bringing a suit which claims that teaching that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered is a denial of "honest services".
Yes, Mahony scares me but the godless, secular US government scares me more.
How ‘bout the “honest services” of ACORN, the public school system, Barney Frank, Obama’s COLB, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and Rahm Emmanuel....
just for starters.
It isn’t the police who make the decision. It’s the Attorney General. Troopers went out to his residence on a Friday afternoon around 4:00pm. He flew out of Boston the next morning. It was reported in the Boston Globe a day or so later.
Now how obvious they were when they drove up the driveway, I don’t know. He must have known they were coming. My understanding was the first-class ticket on Al Italia was purchased shortly before he was to travel and cost a lot.
Yes, that was exactly what it was. It covered all of the time during which he could have been accused of anything.
ok - so what I’m wondering is, what were the papers for?
Were they trying to arrest him?
Was the trip to avoid arrest?
And if so - was the Vatican aware of this?
Was there ever a request to send his sorry a$$ home?
Do you have a reference to that?
Not that I don’t take you at your word, but we wouldn’t want to bear false witness, now would we?
Good. Get rid of his worthless hide.
This sounds potentially dangerous—if this succeeds, the government may be able to shut down any church which opposes politically correct beliefs (e.g. on gay rights or abortion). The Bill of Rights prevents Congress from passing a law interfering with the free exercise of religion, but doesn’t say anything about the courts doing so.
It is sort of a delicious thought, though - pursuing criminal charges against my former pastor for depriving me of the intangible right of honest services for yelling at us during the consecration at Mass to stand up and not kneel, and for publicly advocating for giving family benefits for the sex partners of homosexual employees, and for allowing a planned parenthood clinic director to serve as a lector, and for teaching false doctrines in catechism class.
Alas: “justice is Mine, says the Lord.”
You make an interesting point that I had heretofore not pondered.
You would think that the very language of the Constitution that you mention would serve to remind the robed-but-naked courtroom emperors that the role of law-making belongs exclusively to Congress and the President.
LOL! Sounds like you have a case...
We know how to spell his name too: Mahony
I can’t stand him. The Pope should have removed him long ago; he covered up for pervs. Now we get more bad publicity: oh, joy.
And now... and I really hate this... he acts like he doesn’t know what is going on, he is “puzzled.” What a creep.
After half a century or more of judicial activism, it’s too much to expect the courts to go back to their constitutional role. They’re having too much fun making up the rules for everyone else.
Speaking of pastors forcing parishioners to stand up at the consecration, a caller called in to Open Line on Wednesday asking Fr. Mitch about this very thing. She said the pastor was telling her that she had to stand in order to be part of the “community” and she wondered if she was being disobedient to kneel. Fr. Mitch said that since the Church teaches that we are to kneel during the consecration, who is really being disobedient? :)
I actually told my pastor that he ought not commplain given that he had set the example of disobeidence by disobeying church authority by purposely directing the congregation to ignore church law regarding when to kneel during the liturgy.
Suddenly his sixties spirit of protest and disobdience was a thorn in his side. He was not amused.