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Cardinal Mahony under federal fraud probe over abusive priests, sources say
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 28, 2009 | Scott Glover and Jack Leonard

Posted on 01/28/2009 5:39:18 PM PST by hole_n_one

The U.S. attorney in Los Angeles is pursuing the theory that the prelate deprived parishioners of 'the right of honest services' by failing to protect their children from predatory clerics.

By Scott Glover and Jack Leonard
4:44 PM PST, January 28, 2009

The U.S. attorney in Los Angeles has launched a federal grand jury investigation into Cardinal Roger M. Mahony in connection with his response to the alleged molestation of children by priests in the Los Angeles Archdiocese, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the case.

The probe, in which U.S. Atty. Thomas P. O'Brien is personally involved, is aimed at determining whether Mahony, and possibly other church leaders, committed "honest services fraud" by failing to adequately deal with priests accused of sexually abusing children, said the sources, who requested anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation.
One federal law enforcement source said such a prosecution could be brought under a federal statute that makes it illegal to "scheme . . . to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services."

In this case, the victims would be parishioners who relied on Mahony and other church leaders to keep their children safe from predatory priests, the source said. To convict on such a charge, prosecutors would have to prove that Mahony used the U.S. mail or some form of electronic communication in committing the alleged fraud, the source said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abusivepriests; catholic; homosexualpriests; mahony
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1 posted on 01/28/2009 5:39:18 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one

It’s commonly known in L.A. that Mahoney is up to his ears in activity that would, to say the least, not be considered in the best public relations interests of the Catholic Church. That’s probably all I dare say.


2 posted on 01/28/2009 5:42:54 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Next they’ll be going after all the guilty public school officials I am sure. < /sarcasm>


3 posted on 01/28/2009 5:44:40 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (You tell me that you've got everything you want, And your bird can sing, But you don't get me)
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To: hole_n_one

It’s about time that the Cardinal be brought to answer for his actions.


4 posted on 01/28/2009 5:45:23 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: hole_n_one; NYer; Salvation; wagglebee; Pyro7480; narses

Would prefer if he were under interdict...

...but, his status notwithstanding, I won’t shed many tears about this...


5 posted on 01/28/2009 6:04:07 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: hole_n_one

I’m just going by what I’ve heard, but Cardinal Mahoney is definitely one of the major bad guys in the Church. The sooner he gets the boot, the better.


6 posted on 01/28/2009 6:04:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TaMoDee

Agreed but the U.S. Attorney needs to also enpanel a grand jury over Obama’s BC or missing BC.


7 posted on 01/28/2009 6:09:12 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: hole_n_one

Cardinal Mahoney, my local Cardinal, is looking at a price tag larger than other dioceses for gay abuses (probably over $1 billion). He is already asking for money from each of his 295 parishes and has made the wealthy and traditional Catholics feel like strangers.


8 posted on 01/28/2009 6:12:08 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: TaMoDee

This is a good thing. And I’m a Catholic.


9 posted on 01/28/2009 6:51:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Falconspeed

They say he’s the founder of our gay hierarchy.

Along w/ Weakland...


10 posted on 01/28/2009 6:56:20 PM PST by sobieski
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To: hole_n_one

Where does that infamous “Separation of Church and State” enter into this?


11 posted on 01/28/2009 7:30:59 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: BunnySlippers
Catholic or not, if a person enabled in any way the molestation of children, that person should have to answer for the crime.

Victims of child sexual abuse are haunted for many years up into adulthood. Even more so by someone they trusted and perceived as godly protectors.

Just freakin horrible.

12 posted on 01/28/2009 7:43:07 PM PST by servantboy777
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13 posted on 01/28/2009 7:47:37 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Cicero

Let’s hope he gets booted somewhere other than to Rome like Cardinal Law.


14 posted on 01/28/2009 7:53:22 PM PST by mimaw
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To: sobieski
Weakland was a real piece of work. He tried to get Time Warner Cable systems to cancel EWTN. I knew he was a left wing weenie but was shocked to find out he was gay and was using diocese money to pay off a ex gay over. That puke belongs in a cell along with the rest of the creeps that covered up for these perverts.
15 posted on 01/28/2009 7:58:11 PM PST by mimaw
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To: americanophile

“It’s commonly known in L.A. that Mahoney is up to his ears in activity that would, to say the least, not be considered in the best public relations interests of the Catholic Church. That’s probably all I dare say.”

well said.
If they find something on him - then throw the book at him.
It’s about time a new man was put in charge of L.A. anyway.


16 posted on 01/28/2009 8:03:47 PM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: mimaw

“Let’s hope he gets booted somewhere other than to Rome like Cardinal Law.”

The police had their shot at Law, and they decided to pass.
That’s when he was sent to Rome.

If they’ve got the goods on Mahoney, then I hope he pays.


17 posted on 01/28/2009 8:05:39 PM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: sobieski
Notice how quickly the media forgot Weakland ever existed? If Weakland had been orthodox, he'd be mentioned in the NYTimes at least once a week.
18 posted on 01/28/2009 8:08:38 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Don Corleone
Where does that infamous “Separation of Church and State” enter into this?

No where-that applies to government establishment of a religion or freedom of religious expression. Investigations of common crimes don't really impact the "separation", though sometimes there is a conflict between Native American religions and drug laws.

But in the end, nothing will happen to Mahony; like OJ, he's got the "juice" in LA to avoid any indictment or trial.

19 posted on 01/28/2009 8:51:35 PM PST by DeepThought42 (No mercy, no quarter.)
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To: DeepThought42

Will Mahoney join Cardinal Law at some Church in Rome or will he get some help from Carlos Vigliero (don’t remember the correct spelling) the drug dealer for whom Mahoney recommended and got a pardon from Bill Clinton?


20 posted on 01/28/2009 9:12:37 PM PST by ethics
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To: hole_n_one

Rome should have sent a Holy Inquisition to the United States precisely in order to deal over the heads of Mahoney and others like him. Can’t say I am unsympathetic when the state is doing the Church’s job.


21 posted on 01/28/2009 10:01:13 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: americanophile

Time for Cardinal Mahoney to step down. Expect the Vatican to give him marching orders to step down.


22 posted on 01/29/2009 3:14:12 AM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Exactly.

I have very low regard, generally, for the way Mahoney has exercised his ministry. From what I know, he appears to be perpetually allied with objective evil. He has done more to harm the gospel through his wayward teaching regarding moral issues, to say nothing of his alleged involvement in any sex scandals or cover-ups.

HOWEVER: it is quite dangerous when the federal government thinks it can base a prosecution on the concept that the government can decide when a church’s worship activities and religious education classes “deprive another of the intangible right of honest services.”

If that is the case, it won’t be long before the feds think they can use this same “deprivation of honest sservices” theory to arrest churchmen who preach false doctrines.

Yikes.


23 posted on 01/29/2009 3:17:19 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: DeepThought42

...Unless the Vatican, which will get wind of this will start to turn the heat up on Mahoney because P B16 wants NO MORE PROBLEMS from the USA RC Church.


24 posted on 01/29/2009 3:19:36 AM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Notwithstanding

This federal action is associated with pre-existing criminal complaints, so I don’t think it has the potential to go any further.

They almost got Mahony years ago, but he did some sort of legal dodge that basically prevented any one from examining his personal actions in these cases. (He is known to have been virtually complicit in some of them, helping the offenders to hide and escape.) I can’t remember how he got around it, but basically, he offered up the money of his diocese in a settlement that was designed to protect him personally.

I hope they nail him this time around.


25 posted on 01/29/2009 3:49:33 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

As a practicing Catholic, I hope they nail him, too.


26 posted on 01/29/2009 6:16:33 AM PST by Barb4Bush (God help us all!)
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To: Scotswife

Actually they tried to serve papers on Law one Friday afternoon. The person answering the door said he wasn’t home. The next morning he flew, first class, to Rome.


27 posted on 01/29/2009 6:23:11 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: livius
I seem to remember that he reached an out of court settlement precisely so that none of the records could be subpoenaed and so that he wouldn't have to testify.
28 posted on 01/29/2009 6:23:32 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: ladyjane

I never heard that before.

I thought the situation was that the police did not choose to pursue the case.

Did the police inform the Vatican they were trying to serve papers?


29 posted on 01/29/2009 6:45:05 AM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: americanophile

I’m in LA. I cannot stand Mahoney, and the sooner he is replaced the better. Just what I read in Mother Angelica’s book about his ruthless attempts to silence/ destroy her were horrific.

At the same time, I am still curious what part of this is aimed at bringing the Catholic Church to its knees. Is it really just for the ‘unserved’ members, such a righteous goal?

Who is prosecuting? Why? Where is the money going?

The Catholic Church has been a target in too many countries over history, with disastrous results.

Perhaps our good pope could just ‘retire’ the Archbishop now.


30 posted on 01/29/2009 6:54:58 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: hole_n_one
The current and recent pope are responsible for this enabler remaining in his office. He's all over LA as if he's the spiritual leader when he has lost his moral authority.

He should be in Barstow hearing and going to confession as a simple priest.

If the feds put him in jail, justice will be served.

31 posted on 01/29/2009 6:59:42 AM PST by nufsed
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To: Notwithstanding
HOWEVER: it is quite dangerous when the federal government thinks it can base a prosecution on the concept that the government can decide when a church’s worship activities and religious education classes “deprive another of the intangible right of honest services.” If that is the case, it won’t be long before the feds think they can use this same “deprivation of honest services” theory to arrest churchmen who preach false doctrines.

Exactly!

The phrase "honest services" is entirely nebulous and its definition seems to to rest on what the government says it is. Any government prosecution of this type gives me the chills.

It's not too much of a stretch to imagine some slick lawyer working on behalf of the gay lobby bringing a suit which claims that teaching that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered is a denial of "honest services".

Yes, Mahony scares me but the godless, secular US government scares me more.

32 posted on 01/29/2009 7:00:14 AM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

How ‘bout the “honest services” of ACORN, the public school system, Barney Frank, Obama’s COLB, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and Rahm Emmanuel....

just for starters.


33 posted on 01/29/2009 8:04:29 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Scotswife

It isn’t the police who make the decision. It’s the Attorney General. Troopers went out to his residence on a Friday afternoon around 4:00pm. He flew out of Boston the next morning. It was reported in the Boston Globe a day or so later.

Now how obvious they were when they drove up the driveway, I don’t know. He must have known they were coming. My understanding was the first-class ticket on Al Italia was purchased shortly before he was to travel and cost a lot.


34 posted on 01/29/2009 8:27:12 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: nanetteclaret

Yes, that was exactly what it was. It covered all of the time during which he could have been accused of anything.


35 posted on 01/29/2009 8:38:06 AM PST by livius
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To: ladyjane

ok - so what I’m wondering is, what were the papers for?

Were they trying to arrest him?
Was the trip to avoid arrest?

And if so - was the Vatican aware of this?
Was there ever a request to send his sorry a$$ home?


36 posted on 01/29/2009 8:50:38 AM PST by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: Biggirl
Time for Cardinal Mahoney to step down. Expect the Vatican to give him marching orders to step down.

You're expecting an awful lot. It's much more probable that he'll stay right where he is until at least his 75th birthday, which is more than two years from now. The chances of his getting any "marching orders" from the Vatican are almost zero.
37 posted on 01/29/2009 9:18:26 AM PST by Deo volente (High Noon, January 20, 2009: Our long national nightmare begins.)
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To: ladyjane

Do you have a reference to that?

Not that I don’t take you at your word, but we wouldn’t want to bear false witness, now would we?


38 posted on 01/29/2009 10:13:21 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Salvation

Good. Get rid of his worthless hide.


39 posted on 01/29/2009 11:46:19 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: marshmallow

This sounds potentially dangerous—if this succeeds, the government may be able to shut down any church which opposes politically correct beliefs (e.g. on gay rights or abortion). The Bill of Rights prevents Congress from passing a law interfering with the free exercise of religion, but doesn’t say anything about the courts doing so.


40 posted on 01/29/2009 11:59:49 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: hole_n_one

Good news.


41 posted on 01/29/2009 12:01:53 PM PST by aculeus
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To: hole_n_one
We should all expect a lot more of these show piece prosecutions. Just like their predecessors in Germany in the 1930s today's socialists are aggressively seeking to undermine moral authority of the Catholic Church. Check out this Time Magazine Article from May 31, 1937 to see the script the left is following:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,847866,00.html

42 posted on 01/29/2009 4:04:21 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: livius

It is sort of a delicious thought, though - pursuing criminal charges against my former pastor for “depriving me of the intangible right of honest services” for yelling at us during the consecration at Mass to stand up and not kneel, and for publicly advocating for giving family benefits for the sex partners of homosexual employees, and for allowing a planned parenthood clinic director to serve as a lector, and for teaching false doctrines in catechism class.

Alas: “justice is Mine, says the Lord.”


43 posted on 01/29/2009 4:29:57 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Verginius Rufus

You make an interesting point that I had heretofore not pondered.

You would think that the very language of the Constitution that you mention would serve to remind the robed-but-naked courtroom emperors that the role of law-making belongs exclusively to Congress and the President.


44 posted on 01/29/2009 4:35:11 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

LOL! Sounds like you have a case...


45 posted on 01/29/2009 4:37:40 PM PST by livius
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To: americanophile

We know how to spell his name too: Mahony
It’s different:).

I can’t stand him. The Pope should have removed him long ago; he covered up for pervs. Now we get more bad publicity: oh, joy.


46 posted on 01/29/2009 4:42:37 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God help us)
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To: nanetteclaret

And now... and I really hate this... he acts like he doesn’t know what is going on, he is “puzzled.” What a creep.


47 posted on 01/29/2009 4:45:48 PM PST by La Enchiladita (God help us)
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To: Notwithstanding

After half a century or more of judicial activism, it’s too much to expect the courts to go back to their constitutional role. They’re having too much fun making up the rules for everyone else.


48 posted on 01/29/2009 5:56:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Notwithstanding

Speaking of pastors forcing parishioners to stand up at the consecration, a caller called in to Open Line on Wednesday asking Fr. Mitch about this very thing. She said the pastor was telling her that she had to stand in order to be part of the “community” and she wondered if she was being disobedient to kneel. Fr. Mitch said that since the Church teaches that we are to kneel during the consecration, who is really being disobedient? :)


49 posted on 01/29/2009 7:20:09 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: nanetteclaret

I actually told my pastor that he ought not commplain given that he had set the example of disobeidence by disobeying church authority by purposely directing the congregation to ignore church law regarding when to kneel during the liturgy.

Suddenly his sixties spirit of protest and disobdience was a thorn in his side. He was not amused.


50 posted on 01/30/2009 5:01:39 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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