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Christians are becoming Social Pariahs in Britain, claims Jeremy Vine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4277439/Christians-are-becoming-social-pariahs-in-Britain-claims-Jeremy-Vine.html ^ | Jan 19th, 2009

Posted on 01/19/2009 1:43:25 PM PST by TaraP

Jeremy Vine, the BBC presenter, has claimed that it is becoming "socially unacceptable" to be a Christian in Britain The Radio 2 host said that he feels unable to talk about his faith on his show because he fears how people would react. He argues that society has become increasingly intolerant of the freedom to express religious views. "You can't express views that were common currency 30 or 40 years ago," he said. "Arguably, the parameters of what you might call 'right thinking' are probably closing. "Sadly, along with that has come the fact that it's almost socially unacceptable to say you believe in God." His comments follow the claim from Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales, that Britain is an "unfriendly" place for religious people to live.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deathofthewest; eurabia; europeanchristians; secularization

1 posted on 01/19/2009 1:43:27 PM PST by TaraP
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To: All

Hope our country is not headed on that destructive path..

He said:
If you are in the American political system or others then you can talk about religious faith and people say ‘Yes, that’s fair enough,’ and it is something they respond to quite naturally.

“You talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you’re a nutter.”


2 posted on 01/19/2009 1:46:58 PM PST by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: TaraP

Throw them to the lions!

...ughhh... hey, wait a minute...

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3 posted on 01/19/2009 1:47:19 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: TaraP
Britain is an "unfriendly" place for religious people Christians to live.

There, we must be accurate.

4 posted on 01/19/2009 1:48:00 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: TaraP

The “Crestsent Moon Rising” music by Wang Luobin! How chilling!


5 posted on 01/19/2009 1:49:42 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: TaraP

Would an atheist confront a Muslim about their beliefs and mock them for it? *ping*


6 posted on 01/19/2009 1:49:52 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: TaraP

Welcome to the future of the US. Christian are becoming pariahs among the Washington elite, the MSM, the entertainment industry and academia. Soon the public profession of Christianity will be described as hate speech.


7 posted on 01/19/2009 1:49:55 PM PST by detective
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To: TaraP

I guess its socially acceptable to believe in Allah though


8 posted on 01/19/2009 1:49:57 PM PST by texrepub76
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To: TaraP

What did they expect when the head of the Anglican church in England (the Archbishop of Canterbury) said that he doubted the divinity of Christ.


9 posted on 01/19/2009 1:50:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: TaraP
Hope our country is not headed on that destructive path..

We are, and the USA is about to shift gears to a higher rate of speed down that path starting tomorrow.

10 posted on 01/19/2009 1:50:26 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: RoseofTexas

Fudge!! Meant to say “Crescent Moon Rising!!


11 posted on 01/19/2009 1:51:05 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: texrepub76

No not really....


12 posted on 01/19/2009 1:54:51 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: TaraP

“Arguably, the parameters of what you might call ‘right thinking’ are probably closing.”

He doesn’t have to qualify his observation with “arguably” and “probably.” The parameters of free expression of thought ARE closing. All socialist states stamp out dissent. It’s happened in Europe. It started here with “political correctness.” As other posters have noted, the pace will pick up rapidly starting tomorrow.


13 posted on 01/19/2009 2:00:28 PM PST by henkster (When I was young I was told anyone could be President. Now I believe it.)
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To: TaraP
Note this comment under the article:

I live in California, Marin County to be exact, and it is very unpopular to be a Christian. Only 2.5% profess their faith as Christians. And Marin County has long been looked to as a leader of trends in America.

Academia throughout the US is atheist or agnostic and is teaching all the young people in our country to believe the same...as our older Christians die off, it will become very unpopular to be a Christian in the political arena...we are right behind you, Britan!

Sadly, that's the scenario exactly.

14 posted on 01/19/2009 2:02:00 PM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: SoDak

The world without a Christian-based America will not be a nice place to live. There will be no rescuer this coming WW, except, finally, Him.


15 posted on 01/19/2009 2:07:45 PM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


16 posted on 01/19/2009 2:09:39 PM PST by jabbermog (Vegetable Rights and Peace!)
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To: polymuser

Well, I guess that’s the way it was intended to work out anyway. It’s still disheartening to watch it happen right in front of you.


17 posted on 01/19/2009 2:10:53 PM PST by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


18 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:22 PM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


19 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:26 PM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


20 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:26 PM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


21 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:31 PM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: Ballygrl

Funny you should bring this up - but last year ‘Conservative’ leader David Cameron said in a radio 4 interview that any debate about Islam must be handled with the ultimate sensitivity to avoid younger Moslems becoming ‘militants’ and attacking our cities. This is the policy of all 3 mainstream parties by the way.

And our Masters say they dont understand why some voters have gone over to the BNP or League of St George.


22 posted on 01/19/2009 2:11:31 PM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: TaraP

If Christians refuse to fight then as the Gaul said to the Roman, “Woe to the Conquered.”


23 posted on 01/19/2009 2:14:30 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: TaraP

This is very true. Many are going atheist. I’m not religious myself but I’ve heard of great hostility toward Christians. The country is ripe for the picking of the Islamonuts. What the atheists don’t understand is that their antipathy of Christians pales in comparison to the hatred Muslims have of infidels.


24 posted on 01/19/2009 2:14:30 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: jabbermog

Pardon me sir but the record is stuck, the record is stuck, the record is stuck


25 posted on 01/19/2009 2:18:22 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: TaraP

As alarming and disheartening as it is to see the West cut itself away from its Judaeo-Christian moorings, and as disasterous as it is going to be in the long run — I don’t see how concern for popularity should have any impact on what a true Christian says or does. The Lord Himself was persecuted, as were all of this apostles, and countless others in the early centuries of the church — not to mention untold numbers of Christians in various places in the 20th century. It’s a different world, and it’s advisable for Christians to learn how to be faithful in it. That might mean for them to know about the examples of the martyrs and witnesses who came before them.

Shortly after the communist regime fell in Albania, I was came to know a young Albanian Orthodox woman who came to the U.S. to work as a nanny. She sang in our choir and knew all of the music we used. I was surprised at this, because the communists had outlawed all religious observance and closed all churches and mosques in 1967. She wasn’t old enough to have been brought up in church before the churches were closed, and I doubt there was much freedom of religion before that. So how did she learn the faith and the liturgy and the songs? She learned them from her family and from the church that continued to operate deep underground.


26 posted on 01/19/2009 2:18:24 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: polymuser
The world without a Christian-based America will not be a nice place to live. There will be no rescuer this coming WW, except, finally, Him.

Your comment is one of the most on-point comments I have read, it says it all in a sentence.
27 posted on 01/19/2009 2:34:01 PM PST by mrsmel (Hussein is not my president.)
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To: TaraP

It already IS the same here, albeit to a lesser degree so far...

Try reading a Bible in a public place... See if you don’t get nasty remarks or even looks.


28 posted on 01/19/2009 2:44:18 PM PST by J40000
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To: TaraP
Interesting post. I work for a company in the UK. The CEO of the company rode with me one day and noted some Christian resources in my car. He told me that in the UK, if I openly carried around anything like this- I would be considered less intelligent than others. It could impact my job path, etc... I was stunned and saddened and unfortunately see the USA heading the same way...albeit very slowly but steady. Only prayer can help fight this....seems all I can do about anything these days is pray.
29 posted on 01/19/2009 3:53:25 PM PST by Faithfull
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To: Faithfull
Only prayer can help fight this....seems all I can do about anything these days is pray.

It seems right now that Islamic terrorism and death threats are making governments respond favorably far more than any Christian action.

30 posted on 01/19/2009 4:22:54 PM PST by dan1123 (Liberals sell it as "speech which is hateful" but it's really "speech I hate".)
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To: TaraP
The place has become an unacceptable destination for my future vacations. My wife would like to visit again to improve some of our genealogy research. Frankly, the place is simply inhospitable. They have allowed themselves to be overrun and cowed by the muslim invaders.
31 posted on 01/19/2009 7:48:14 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: massgopguy

Apologies to all - maybe something to do with my screen keep freezing yesterday !


32 posted on 01/20/2009 10:39:46 AM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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To: Faithfull

your boss isnt completely accurate; you may meet with scorn in London or Birmingham or other large cities, but around here people are more traditional ie aren’t easily brainwashed.
You should see our Market square at Christmas and Easter.


33 posted on 01/20/2009 10:45:08 AM PST by jabbermog (Make a Muslim rethink:- with a bacon butty and strong drink !)
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