My favorite was always Marcia...
Posted on 01/17/2009 6:40:46 AM PST by epow
Friday, January 16, 2009
No one, including the Brady Campaign, seriously believes that Barack Obama was elected president because of his support for gun control. But Brady is pretending that it provided Obama the margin of victory in November, and has provided him with a very long list of gun bans and other restrictions that it expects from him in return.
If for no other reason, Obama might want to tell Brady "no," because if he were to do their bidding, they would be sure to demand that he do even more. That's demonstrated by Brady's statement that their current request "is not intended to present an exhaustive list . . . but does provide a starting point." It includes:
A California-style "assault weapons" ban. For several years, Brady has referred to California's ban--which is far more restrictive than the federal ban of 1994-2004--as the "model" for the rest of the nation. Brady doesn't say so, but it clearly supports--as does the Violence Policy Center--the California--like ban that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) has proposed in Congress since before the 1994 semi-automatic firearm ban expired. Among its differences from the 1994 ban, the McCarthy bill would ban rifles like the AR-15, even if they do not have a flash suppressor, bayonet mount, or adjustable-position stock. It would ban the M1, the M1 Carbine, the Ruger Mini-14 series, the SKS, and many other semi-automatic rifles not previously labeled as "assault weapons." And it would ban every semi-automatic shotgun, by banning its receiver. Brady wants .50 caliber rifles banned as well.
A ban on standard magazines designed for self-defense. Brady calls them "high-capacity," but magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are designed for self-defense,as demonstrated by the fact
(Excerpt) Read more at nraila.org ...
Glad I got that Mini 14 when I did...
They’re nuts! Do they really expect to win people to their side with this nonsense? There is an article in this month’s America’s Freedom about women and guns, and they happen to make up an increasing stake in gun purchases for self-defense.
They will not win by banning all things semi-automatic, as that is indeed NECESSARY to fight off an armed attacker.
Not to mention the pesky fact of it being unconstitutional too.
Which Brady? Mike, Greg, Peter or Bobby?
Join the NRA!
Join the GOA!
And nobody should have the attitude of “glad I got mine when I did”. This is a right which “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”.
What is ambiguous about that phrase?
I’ve got mixed feelings about this:
on the one hand, I know what will happen if Zero’s crowd promotes this:
We’ll get a Republican majority in Congress in 2010!
OTOH, our GOP congresscritters are such limp-wristed, spineless protozoa that they’d *never* think of repealing the legislation that brought about their return to power, so we’d be stuck with whatever mindless laws Zero enacts.
My favorite was always Marcia...
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia.
Hmmm, maybe it's not so bad after all.
Mexico on the brink of collapse, terrorists being freed from Gitmo, and an empty suit and feel good hippies in congress, and they want to take guns away from us? I just don’t understand, and what can we do about it, but complain? I have my hi cap assault rifles, but my collection is small compared to some, apparently its going to stay that way. How long do we have before gun stores start to close?
The question I have is how many NRA members commit crimes? Can they answer this honestly?
Because the answer to this is the answer to whether these laws are really “necessary”
Wouldn’t killing the gun industry be horrible for the economy? I would assume that guns, mags, ammo, gun stores, internet sites, would be somewhere equal to the automotive industry?
They want to make the White House a lifetime appointment for obombanation.
I'll bet it was Peter. He always seemed like a little pantywaist.
Talking about Amendments is one thing; passing them is another. Something like 22,000 amendments have been attempted, with only a handful successful.
The answer to this question would change dramatically if Brady legislation were ever approved.
America should never let them take the “armed” out of rebellion or it will be off to the ovens for you.
Sarah should be ashamed for wheeling poor brain dead Jim out every year.
I am sorry for Jim, if he could still think for himself, he would not want to be part of this circus.
And since the 13 ALL of them illegal.
No Constitutional Convention, no amendment. PERIOD!!!
I agree, and if another "assault weapon" ban is enacted, which I believe is almost certain given the large liberal majority in the incoming Congress, it won't have an expiration date, and it will not be repealed even after Obama is gone unless we can somehow elect a Repub Congress with an actual spine.
But IMHO even that isn't the worst that will probably happen in re 2nd A issues in the next four years. Two of the four originalist Justices are getting old, and I think it's quite possible that we could see something like a 6-3 or possibly even a 7-2 majority of "evolving Constitution" proponents on the SCOTUS by the time Obama's first term ends. The more I learn about Obama and how the political philosophy of the new generation of American voters has shifted to the left over the last few years, thanks mainly to government schools and liberal universities IMHO, the less optimistic I become about the future USA that we're leaving to our kids.
I will turn 72 this year if I make it that far so I'm primarily concerned about the long term future of the US that my kids and grand-kids will live in, and that worries me more than what may take place here while I'm still around.
The Second Amendment is for when they try to take it away.
Jefferson right?
“I will turn 72 this year if I make it that far so I’m primarily concerned about the long term future of the US that my kids and grand-kids will live in, and that worries me more than what may take place here while I’m still around.”
There is a good chance you will see an armed revolution within your lifetime. Certainly your kids and grandkids will see one. The United States is on the brink of some very bad times.
“Jefferson right?”
The same.
How many people will use their second amendment when the police come to get their guns. Ive been buying ammo like its going out of style until my father asked me, how much ammo will you be able to use against the police? I love my rights, I love to shoot guns, really my only hobby, but when they come knockin, Ill turn em over.
Actually the financial impact of the US firearms industry on the overall economy is quite small compared to that of the much larger industries such the auto makers or housing industry. Smith & Wesson is the largest US gun maker, and it's annual sales figures are miniscule compared to many other industrial corporations.
I'm not sure if this is still true, but I recently read that many, or maybe it was most, of the small arms purchased by US armed forces are now made by foreign owned companies in US plants. I suppose the next generation of US battle rifles will be made in China, since I read that some critical components of our Air Force and and Navy air to air missiles are now made there. How many more suicidal acts can we get by with before we become helpless at the hands of our enemies?
The question is, is what are the people lawfully carrying guns prepared to do if the government tries to take them away? Bravado aint going to last long against ex military with badges.
Could somebody please explain why the H*ll there is a sudden urgency to Disarm the law-abiding?
Note, only asking that rhetorically, we all know the real reason for this – armed we are free Citizens., Disarmed we are Serfs.
But the Social-fascist Dhimmicrats can't exactly come out and state the real reasons to shred the Bill of rights, can they?
SO, has there been a sudden increase in crime or something, some urgent crisis the left can 'use'? As in the immortal words of Rahm Emanuel:
“You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.”
Do we suddenly need to reinstate the AWB that EXPIRED 4 years ago – has there been an increase in crime with scary looking weapons?
Have bullet serialization and gun registration schemes ever worked??? Or have they only make things a lot worse for the law-abiding??
Well at least you're being honest. I often wonder how many of the posters who claim they will fight to the bitter end when the jackbooted thugs come to pick up their guns will actually follow through when that day comes, which I believe is only a matter of time.
I don't doubt that they mean to do what they say now, but when you're looking at the muzzle of a gun pointed at your upper body by a hostile opponent, an event that I have experienced myself, a person's perspective may not be the same as it is while sitting at a keyboard.
The business end of a firearm is not a good place to be, once was enough for me. People that say they will fight played to many video games growing up. Maybe 200 years ago, yes, but now it would be pointless.
The implication is this hideous piece of legislation is STILL IN EFFECT, and “Protecting” the public.
We all know that this is Almost an Outright Lie,
Question is, has there been a sudden increase in Crime associated( since 2004 when it expired), with these weapons?
IF, the answer were YES, The leftists would be cramming those statistics down our throats to support making it permanent.
The fact that they aren't should really tell us something, shouldn't it?
Your choice obviously but let me ask you this.
If one right isn't worth fighting for to protect then whats the sense of living under a .gov that will undoubtedly disregard the others in due time?
I’m not worried, Obama ran a commercial around 9000 times in NC with Ray Shoenke of AHSA saying that Obama supports the 2nd and would never take our guns.
/s
Wednesday's headlines:
Law abiding drivers will have automobiles confiscated.
Ive fought for my country, Ive fought for American freedom, but when it comes time to lay down my guns at the feet of the government I will, because I don’t want to go out that way.
As I said before it's your choice.
I took a version of Betty’s Semi-automatic revolver out to the range last week. The people I was with loved shooting it since, even with .357 magnums it had no muzzle flip.
I can’t wait for the next shoot so I can bring it out there again.
They will also ban every semi-automatic handgun, and all rifles because they can be used as “Sniper Rifles” and the ammo can go through level 1 body armor.
I don’t know how many of us who are full of bravado on here will live up to it when they come for our firearms. I hope (and think) I will stand up to them and decide it is better to die a man than to live with what will follow if every gun owner just bends over and takes it. I don’t think there is enough ex-military now serving as cops to take guns if only 20% of gun owners decide to fight back.(as for “how much ammo will you be able to use against the police?” How many cops are at your door when this starts? If it ain’t the SWAT team, I just might survive to run away and hide.)
I can only hope that enough gun owners will fight back so that this country can survive. If not, I am not sure I want to be alive here anyway.
Have you ever considered what a Citizen Army consisting of 10,000 members from each of the 50 states could do to prevent a confiscation of firearms?
How about just 1,000 members in just your own state?
Maybe 100 from your County?
Certainly there must be at least 10 in your community.
How about just 1 on your block?
” I love my rights, I love to shoot guns, really my only hobby, but when they come knockin, Ill turn em over.”
You obviously don’t love your rights or your freedom all that much. Another thing Jefferson said: “I prefer dangerous freedom over safe slavery.” And, of course, his famous: “When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is freedom.”
Yes, I have thought of this. If only 20% of gun owners would resist, the government will run out of agents in less than a week. (If there are 80 million gun owners, and 16 million resist...helluva bloodbath on one side or the other.)
Down South and the Mid-West are the best hope for this country when it comes to resisting this kind of action. Write the NorthEast off, more sheep than wolves up there. The wolves just might get run over by the number of sheep running for a government handout.
Serve in the military and then tell me about how I care about my freedoms. Im not going to give anyone a load of bs and say Im going to go down guns blazing with the police, thats just stupid and pointless. My action or the action of a hundred others will do nothing to stop the socialist machine, just cause anguish and heartache for their families in the aftermath. Towel heads and gangsters, now that’s a different story.
It would not take anywhere near that many. A few thousand in the right places at the right times would be all that is necessary.
Semper Fi
An Old MAn
You know, it’s a real shame I lost, gave away and sold every one of my guns. Those that were left after I took a bunch of them on a rowboat and it tipped over in the middle of the lake I sold. And that Red haired guy from Detroit bought the rest of them. All gone. None left. Histwaa. Nada. Fini. Zero. Zip. Sorry Bamma.
“Serve in the military and then tell me about how I care about my freedoms.”
I did. USAF 1970-1974. There was little thing called Vietnam.
“My action or the action of a hundred others will do nothing to stop the socialist machine, just cause anguish and heartache for their families in the aftermath.”
Hell, you’ve already surrendered. And before things even got bad. Better that you surrender now than get in our way when we do the heavy lifting to save the Constitution and the United States. And there are millions of us who will join the fight, not just the hundreds you believe will.
“Im not going to give anyone a load of bs and say Im going to go down guns blazing with the police, thats just stupid and pointless.”
As Patrick Henry said: “Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the cost of chains and slavery?” I think you have answered Mr. Henry’s question with a resounding “Yes!”. May your chains rest lightly on your shoulders.
Yeah I think I heard of that.
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