Posted on 01/12/2009 3:23:08 AM PST by pobeda1945
> China is capable of producing high quality trucks. Its obviously a clone of the Humvee.
Quality trucks, quality tools, quality instrumentation... while the world has slept China has done exactly what Japan did. And it worked.
India is doing the same thing.
Here in NZ we have been getting Chinese and Indian manufactured goods at ridiculously cheap prices, ahead of most the rest of the world. To begin with, it was mostly junk. Then, mostly hi-quality knock-offs of Japanese or Korean goods. Now, Chinese branded goods and not so inexpensive anymore.
If America still wants to have a manufacturing capability they better watch out: after WW-II they stood alone in this field. Now, there is Japan, Germany, Korea, China, India, Russia...
I am going to let you in on a little secret...auto manufacturing is one of the most low tech manufacturing items available today. Anyone can be trained to work on an assembly line in less than 3 minutes. The reason the foreign companies have the advantage is they can fire the incompetent, and the lazy. Our auto companies do not have that luxury.......
It is a cracker box on a pickup or Surburban Frame. I have a Yukon XL 2500, that is far more comfortable, and stylish, and it has the same 4x4 running gear and ground clearance for half the money..................??????
“The “Mengshi (Warriors)” off-road military vehicle produced by Chinese automaker Dongfeng Motor surpasses U.S. Humvee in 12 out of 15 major battlefield performance indices, chief designer Huang Song has said.”
So - - - if you don’t believe the Chinese vehicle is better than the Humvee, just ask the designer of it. He’ll tell you.
So, what does your Gaelic tagline say? “All Ozzies are losers and traveling Poms? ??? ;-)
They do everything on the cheap. Look at it from their perspective. Why should they have to go out and buy it when these Nortel guys just delivered it to them free of charge?
I haven’t read all posts, but thought I’d mention that GM which manufactures Hummers is doing some manufacturing in China. I’m not sure what vehicles and what the arrangement is with China, but it appears on the surfaceChina has GM’s blueprints for the Hummer.
(grin!) It’s my family motto:
“I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.”
It may very well be true, but if it is true, building that vehicle in an American factory would cost significantly more than building a Humvee. It's not very hard to multiply all the dimensions by 1.1 or even 1.01, to get higher ground clearance and greater cargo capacity. Of course, they don't have to deal with such Congressionally imposed refinements as passenger restraint systems and emission controls ...
I’ll wait for consumer reports. They will prove that the japanese humvee is the smart choice.
I am and it's the up close and personal kind of perspective. I know the Chi-coms are copycats. I've seen it first hand, but you don't have to go to China to see that. I also know that they deserve every bit of the reputation they have for not honoring patents and intellectual property rights. This notion that they are suddenly worried about their reputation in this area is just more Chi-com propaganda, sorta like how they claim their knock off Humvee beats the original article in 12 out of 15 "tests".
Why should they have to go out and buy it when these Nortel guys just delivered it to them free of charge?
Professional ethics? Honoring the rule of international law? Honesty? Integrity?
> I am going to let you in on a little secret...auto manufacturing is one of the most low tech manufacturing items available today.
I suspect that if the Chinese aren’t using robots by now, they will be very soon.
I know, since the patent is expired, we can stop making our own hummers and start buying them from the chinee.
Maybe...just maybe...I buy one for about $1500 new. Secretly import it to the US. Glue an “H1” emblem on the side and sell it to some yuppie for $100,000. He could likely still get parts and service from the local GM dealer. They may not be able to tell, either...
I thought one of the reasons the foreigns are doing so well here was because they DO spend the money and time to thoroughly train the line workers, and not just on one station, but on many different ones so they can react to market and personnel changes. Not that being able to fire someone if it’s just not working out isn’t a huge competitive advantage.
Have you noticed how ironic it is that it’s almost impossible to fire someone for cause in America today, but firing them (laying them off) for NO cause is the easiest thing in the world.
Does any chinese have any integrity, honesty, and ethics, or is it just the government that is sneaky and inscrutable?
Mengshi must be chinese for Hummer.
And don't forget it's in that journalistic blowtorch The Economic Information Daily, (a Xinhua publication). Double plus good.
Obviously, I can't speak for the entire population. Some of the average folks we met were salt of the earth types and would literally give you the shirt off of their back if you needed it. This is way more than I can say for the Russians I worked with on another project. However, all of the "officials" we encountered in China seemed suspect of us and everything we brought with us. Some of that is a cultural thing, but I think most Americans would feel that they were treated, at best, rudely if they had gone through the same experiences we did with Chinese customs. I know several others who traveled to China to work on other projects and everyone pretty much came away with the same impression.
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