Posted on 01/09/2009 6:16:23 PM PST by rabscuttle385
BY BOB BERNICK, JR.
The Deseret News
Former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee says he loves Mormons and believes they make the most effective public servants in America.
"Utah doesn't need to think there is a problem with me," Huckabee told the KSL Radio Doug Wright show Friday morning.
Huckabee has received some criticism in Utah for comments he has made about fellow former GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and about some of the church's religious beliefs.
Romney received 90 percent of the vote in Utah's Republican Party presidential primary just over a year ago.
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I make it a point to change FOX about 5 minutes before his show ever comes on, I don’t want the nielsen ratings to accidentally count me as a viewer if I’m tuned in from the prior show when his show starts.
How come they don’t call him a “failed” candidate
Agreed! This is the ass who gave us McCain by splitting the Iowa vote.
“Huckabee says he has not said anything unkind about Mormons”
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He obviously does not post on FR, then...
Long story short. “I really don’t agree that Mormonism is a cult like so many of my Christian breathern, Vote for me!”
I grew up hearing funny tales about a late great aunt, who insisted upon getting nicely dressed and made up to watch television. She didn’t want “that man” to see her in her housecoat.
But, alas, Ed Sullivan couldn’t see her through the tv , and Nielsen can’t tell what you’re watching, unless you’ve signed up.
Yet another musically inclined slick talking former governor of Arkansas...
>>>Agreed! This is the ass who gave us McCain by splitting the Iowa vote.
How dare he take Mitt’s votes through trickery! Mitt bought
and paid for those votes and Huck stole them!
How right you are. And given the fact the war wasn't an issue in November, but the economy was, Romney's business acumen would have served him very, very well in the debates with Obama. I don't know if he could have won given everything else, but it might have been closer. Plus, Romney wouldn't have been stupid enough to accept public financing - assuring that Obama wouldn't have outspent him almost three to one. The Huckster didn't do the GOP with his candidacy.
I find it somewhat amusing that Huckabee often trashed Romney for being rich yet when Huckabee is speaking in churches he seems to want to buddy up to rich people especially if they tithe to his campaign(s).
I’d like to ask Huckabee this question: This week the CDC reported that Mormons in Utah has the lowest teen pregnancy rate in America. While Evangelicals in MS has the highest teen birth rate. Do Evangelicals have have any moral authority to criticize Mormons?
I have a theory that DTV, DISH and cable report the numbers, just like magic. Am I wrong?
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Who criticized Mormons for their teen pregnancy rate?
Below is from Krauthammer’s article on the subject. Huck sucks. yuck.
Huckabee has exploited Romney’s Mormonism with an egregious subtlety. Huckabee is running a very effective ad in Iowa about religion. “Faith doesn’t just influence me,” he says on camera, “it really defines me.” The ad then hails him as a “Christian leader.”
Forget the implications of the idea that being a “Christian leader” is some special qualification for the presidency of a country whose Constitution (Article VI) explicitly rejects any religious test for office. Just imagine that Huckabee were running one-on-one in Iowa against Joe Lieberman. (It’s a thought experiment. Stay with me.) If he had run the same ad in those circumstances, it would have raised an outcry. The subtext — who’s the Christian in this race? — would have been too obvious to ignore, the appeal to bigotry too clear.
Well, Huckabee is running against Romney (the other GOP candidates are non-factors in Iowa) and he knows that many Christian conservatives, particularly those who have an affinity with Huckabee’s highly paraded evangelical Christianity, consider Romney’s faith a decidedly non-Christian cult.
Huckabee has been asked about this view that Mormonism is a cult. He dodges and dances. “If I’m invited to be the president of a theological school, that’ll be a perfectly appropriate question,” he says, “but to be the president of the United States, I don’t know that that’s going to be the most important issue that I’ll be facing when I’m sworn in.”
Hmmm. So it is an issue, Huckabee avers. But not a very important one. And he’s not going to pronounce upon it. Nice straddle, leaving the question unanswered and still open — the kind of maneuver one comes to expect from slick former governors of Arkansas lusting for the presidency.
And by Huckabee’s own logic, since he is not running for head of a theological college, what is he doing proclaiming himself a “Christian leader” in an ad promoting himself for president? Answer: Having the issue every which way. Seeming to take the high road of tolerance by refusing to declare Mormonism a cult, indeed declaring himself above the issue — yet clearly playing to that prejudice by leaving the question ambiguous, while making sure everyone knows that he, for one, is a “Christian leader.”
The God of the Founders, the God on the coinage, the God for whom Lincoln proclaimed Thanksgiving Day is the ineffable, ecumenical, nonsectarian Providence of the American civil religion whose relation to this blessed land is without appeal to any particular testament or ritual. Every mention of God in every inaugural address in American history refers to the deity in this kind of all-embracing, universal, nondenominational way. (The one exception: William Henry Harrison. He caught cold delivering that inaugural address. Thirty-one days later, he was dead. Draw your own conclusion.) I suspect that neither Jefferson’s Providence nor Washington’s Great Author nor Lincoln’s Almighty would look kindly on the exploitation of religious differences for political gain. It is un-American. It is unfortunate that Romney has had to justify himself in response.
Great post. Very well said.
I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. ‘‘I think it’s a religion,’’ he said. ‘‘I really don’t know much about it.’’
I was about to jot down this piece of boilerplate when Huckabee surprised me with a question of his own: ‘‘Don’t Mormons,’’ he asked in an innocent voice, ‘‘believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?’’
Oh no, Utah, Huckabee loves Mormons.
This is why I don't trust Huckabee.
That said, he's a populist RINO who thinks that more government is the answer. There's no one more irritating than a reformed x, where x="drunkard" or "smoker" or "lardass," u.s.w.
That particular reformed lardass singlehandedly sabotaged Mitt Romney's bid in favor of McCain.
McCain, Huckabee, Giuliani, Graham, and that closeted homo in Florida need to join up with the last few honorable Democrats like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller and clean up the party they belong in.
Maybe then we can get back to real debate, real choice, real hope.
Preachers and politicians always want your money, and Huckabee is both. That is a very bad combination.
Truth be told, I think she could beat Mitt in Utah and Huck in Arkansas if they went one on one. And I think Mitt is actually smart enough to figure it out since I see little evidence of him planning another presidential run. Of course, it may be that he has far more efficient ways to earn money than whoring on his own television show.
one thing I don't doubt: either one would have been a better presidential candidate than McCain. Too bad Huck wasn't actually running for the office.
In spite of his flaws, Mitt Romney's pinky finger is more Republican than John McCain's whole body.
I have to wonder though about the 7 years of abortion comment. Roe v Wade was decided 36 years ago. No governor, president, or legislator can do anything to repeal it. It is the law of the land.
I don't like it any more than you do, but until you get a president who sees it as a priority, get justices appointed (they'll have to sneak past the Senate), and get Roe v Wade overturned, an individual's position on abortion simply does not matter.
I heard some pretty mean comments about Mormons by the Huckster in his campaign.
Brilliant.
Mean or revealing?
Why else would he keep bringing it up?
This was obvious from the text of the GOP debates. Romney was seen as the man to beat by all the others. The other candidates rarely went after each other until the race got very closer to the end.
LOL! Someone tell Huckabee that apologies are not supposed to contain further insults.
Is Sarah Palin a “failed” candidate too, then?
HUck is another moderate centrist on a par with Mitt - no thanks - I can live without either
exactly - have you noticed to that the audience looks like mostly white kids from Long Island? - are there no conservative blacks or latinos?
Huck is no economic conservative.
Known fact!
He was willing to raise taxes in Arkansas.
Bash Huck (and OTHERS) as a way to have yet another Mitt-idolizing thread on FR.
yet another Mitt-idolizing thread on FR
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DUH...
I don't know who has the highest or lowest teen preg. rate but one thing I am sure of, the CDC didn't come out with a report that MS Evangelicals have the highest.
If MS has the highest, don't you think it is among all people of the state, black, white, rich and most obvious, the poor. I think MS is the poorest state in the Union.
The guy to watch is Mark Sanford.
Palin has been damaged by the media, she can come back though.
It is up to her. But right now I like Mark.
Yes. But this is one of those out-of-context references. Out of context in two ways:
(1) Arkansas' previous guv, Jim Guy Tucker, held office from '93 thru '96 and had let the infrastructure of the state go to pot -- what wasn't already gone to pot or brought up to snuff under Clinton. (Tucker was convicted in the Whitewater scandal, and was a distracted guv)
I guarantee that if you come into a state that really never has invested significantly in state infrastructure & start to do so, especially after your predecessor did exactly the opposite, it's going to up the cost-of-living factor a bit. (I still think Huckabee went way overboard in this area...I believe he raised taxes for state residents 47% during his time there)
(2) The second context is to compare Huckabee to Romney economically. Neither one of them are very good in this area. Is Romney better? Yes, but not by much. The Cato Institute rated Huckabee and gave him a two-term "D" grade.
In Romney's final year as Mass guv, Cato gave him a "C" grade.
Interestingly though Utah does have a pretty high teenage pregnancy rate according to some surveys. My sister went to BYU was engaged at 18 and married at 19. While she didn't have her 1st kid until she was 21 there are young 19 year old legally married Mormons who sometimes get listed in the "teenage" pregnant or teenage mother surveys.
Dec 07 "the Huckster" mentioned that Mormons believe that Lucifer was Jesus Christ's spirit brother. And you know what? That's exactly what they believe!
They believe Jesus was each of our elder spirit brother in some pre-existent spirit world (before they/we came to earth). And they believe Lucifer was next in that spirit-birth order, which thereby makes Lucifer yours-- and my (if we believe in Mormon pre-existence philosophy, that is)-- "elder spirit brother," too.
(It's only when ignorance kicks in -- and people don't know what mainstream Mormon theology is -- that they get all bent out of shape just 'cause it sounds so whacky when a non-Mormon repeats it)
Hey, nice stereotype about all preachers. (and for your next stereotypical trick, fill in the blanks: "All church members 'always' are..." "All religious folk 'always' are..." etc.)
(And what % of Southern Utah teen girls are married off into polygamous families at age 16 or younger? "Married" in that context is a higher moral ground upon which you're climbing?)
I'm wondering their exact criteria for grades are as well as just googling them quickly I see they gave Jeb Bush a "C" as well and Schwarznegger an "A" in 2004.
It is a stereotype because it is so true. If you don’t like it that’s just too damn bad.
And it's "true" just because you say it's true? (Or do you have anything factual or verifiable beyond your mere opinion to back it up?...Also, keep in mind the ignorant wording of your claim to even begin with..."always" which translates into 24/7...so preachers eat, dream, only preach on $, eh?)
How long have you been preaching? Or are you a politician?
Huck's portrayal of Mormon Doctrine was called a "canard" by Rush Limbaugh. Sort of like when people try to claim Catholics worship idols or eat dead people. It's a purposeful contextual misrepresentation of the Church's Doctrine on the matter.
Mormons belief is similar to Lactantius' view on the matter.
Since God was possessed of the greatest foresight for planning, and of the greatest skill for carrying out in action, before He commenced this business of the world,--inasmuch as there was in Him, and always is, the fountain of full and most complete goodness,--in order that goodness might spring as a stream from Him, and might flow forth afar, He produced a Spirit like to Himself, who might be endowed with the perfections of God the Father... Then He made another being, in whom the disposition of the divine origin did not remain. Therefore he was infected with his own envy as with poison, and passed from good to evil; and at his own will, which had been given to him by God unfettered, he acquired for himself a contrary name. From which it appears that the source of all evils is envy. For he envied his predecessor, who through his steadfastness is acceptable and dear to God the Father. This being, who from good became evil by his own act, is called by the Greeks diabolus: we call him accuser, because he reports to God the faults to which he himself entices us. God, therefore, when He began the fabric of the world, set over the whole work that first and greatest Son, and used Him at the same time as a counselor and artificer, in planning, arranging, and accomplishing, since He is complete both in knowledge, and judgment, and power...Divine Institutes 2.9.
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