He's bona fide
Posted on 01/06/2009 6:34:11 PM PST by luv2ndamend
WASHINGTON – A conference is scheduled Friday at the U.S. Supreme Court during which justices will consider behind closed doors – again – taking up a case that could put to rest the questions about whether President-elect Barack Obama qualifies to occupy to Oval Office under the Constitution's requirement that he be a "natural born" citizen.
Twice before the justices have heard the questions, and twice before they've decided to ignore them.
The lingering questions continue to leave a cloud over the impending presidency of a man whose relatives have reported he was born in Kenya and who has decided, for whatever reason, not to release a bona fide copy of his original birth certificate in its complete form.
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Good question!
FYI
The records of all Births & Deaths before or after independence are kept by the Department of Civil Registration, Sheria House, P O Box 30021 - 00100Nairobi, Kenya. Telephone 0254 020 2227461. If you require this office to do a serach for Mr Obama's birth registration record, you have to contact our London office at Foreign & Commonwealth Office
at email bmdenquiries@fco.gov.uk;
Telephone no 020 7 008 0186 Mon to Frid 10am to 12noon.
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“”What if no one had the courage to challenge or verify it?”
Our Constitution will have become nothing more than an old piece of paper no longer respected nor followed.
At this point it takes a hell of a lot of courage and if the big dogs don’t have the courage the little dogs sure don’t. What a pits poor state of affairs.
It IS being challenged (with courage?)-—but the supremes just yawn and say “nothing to see here-—”
I thought Jerome Corsi tried that route, and failed. I still think that the easy way out would of been to produce the document. If you have nothing to hide, why not?
Nairobi Kenya? Jerome Corsi was detained and kicked out of Kenya for attempting to get that. And you are saying we should just merely request the information and the darling of Kenya will be outed as ineligible to be POTUS?
I know that it “IS being challenged”. I’ve been following this issue and doing what I can to help keep this extremely important issue alive.
So far, much of the problem has had to do with “standing”, but that is about to change from what I’ve read. A judge somewhere just has to hear this case.
Give it a rest. If this guy were ineligible somebody would have proved it a long time ago.
Who believes that this is some grand conspiracy that now includes the Supreme Court?
Remember Phil Berg the original filer also filed suit against Bush and Cheney for 9-11. He wanted them in jail!
This is stupid. The fact that people keep filing lawsuits proves nothing.
Remember there was a judge in D.C. (I think) that sued a drycleaner for $54 million because the dry cleaner lost his pants.
That kept getting reviewed by the courts too.Court review has nothing to do with legitimacy - especially if it keeps getting thrown out.
Stop with the conspiracy theories. Challenge Obama and the Democrats on their corruption, their erroneous and misguided policies and other things.
Pursuing this puts people in the Rosie O’Donnell “This was the first time in history fire melted steel” category.
The magic negro affirmative action candidate cannot afford to have any case in court go to discovery phase because he has used a forged document posted at several sites in order to collect hundreds of millions in campaign funds under false premises. So he cannot produce the vault copy to a court in any of the lawsuits. If he produces the long form and it doesn’t match the COLB info, he’s criminally implicated. If he produces the document in a court the other documents he’s used are open for authentication by experts and he still gets caught for criminal fraud. He doesn’t know if he produced the vault copy for the SCOTUS if that would end all the lawsuits and he cannot claim it is still private if he gives it to the SCOTUS. Obama is running a high-stakes scam. So far, he’s succeeding.
So what's different about this one that might make the court agree to hear it?
Going through the London offices has not been tried, as far as I know.
I don’t know why most of the conservative radio talk show hosts have just let this one drop to the floor as well.
I think it’s important and hope that we get answers.
Thanks for posting,
I agree. This is getting pretty one sided. Why should Obama who is neither God nor a King be allowed to not play by the rules? The fact that he has not produced his birth certificate shows he believes he is above the law. This is definately not the kind of person we want or should want to be head of our country. And to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep it hidden is beyond lunacy.
Are you paid well to remain so vigilant for any hint of a negative toward your obamessiah? Your post is a list of the talking points already used by several at FR. Try something more original.
if the Justices can see even a remote possibility, it seems they would expedite the determination of the question.
I beleive that there are also 2 more “Conferences” scheduled for January 16 with the SCOTUS Justices.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
I read that someone tried to get the Kenyan BC from the UK, but they would only release it with Obama’s permission.
Thans for the info MHG. Did you see this BP ?
See #11 above. Obama is at the all or nothing stage in his great scam. He’s hoping to run out the clock ‘cause he knows Pelosi and Reid would not impeach him.
Legal Standing the day after his title of president-elect is official.
Until congress confirms it, congressmen could (arguably) see the conflict and refuse to ratify the results of the electoral college.
A suit requires legal standing and evidence of wrong-doing.
The court picked the day after his title was official. Prior suits were dismissed on technicalities of merit and standing.
Envision president Biden.
Well that settles it then.
Submit your invoice for services rendered to:
Office of the President-Elect
Obama-Biden Transition Project
Washington D.C. 20066
And the Dear Leader thanks you for your loyalty.
You are so wrong
Go Berg...you have taken this on for all of us.
Thank you.
Really? And these are the same people that give me the news everyday? Are these the same people that did no investigating of King Obama? And correct me if I am wrong, Was it not the UK press that found more on his holiness then the media here? Go ask the LA times for there info on his holiness and see what response you get.
Tuesday, January 6, 2009
SCOTUS-POTUS: The Clock is Ticking
For additonal info, please review my previous posts on the SCOTUS-POTUS subject.
Summary of key current developments: Congress meets in joint session on January 8th to count/certify the Electoral College votes. On the same day, the Broe vs Reed suit, whose intention it is to set aside the election of Obama in the State of Washington, will be heard by the Washington State Supreme Court.
On January 9th, the Berg vs Obama suit will go to SCOTUS conference where it will be decided if the case will be granted Certiorai (full hearing by all nine Justices). State Rep. Mike Ritze (R-OK) is still urging the Oklahoma congressional delegation to challenge Obama’s eligibility.
And there is even a report, so far insufficiently substantiated for my taste, that Rep. Ron Paul may challenge Obama’s constitutional eligibility on the floor of Congress.
We shall see. In any event, one Senator and one Representative are needed to properly contest the election and to lay the matter before SCOTUS.
Since legal challenges and single-minded investigations on the matter of Obama’s eligibility will continue to plague Obama well after Congress certifies the election results on January 8th, it seems only a matter of time before a constitutional crisis envelops us all.
On top of the economic meltdown, gargantuan bailouts and trillion dollar spending plans of the new administration, I hope America can at least be spared a constitutional upheavel as well.
Rest here:
http://opinerlog.blogspot.com/2009/01/scotus-potus-clock-is-ticking.html
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Two days to electors’ results being accepted, supervised by VP Cheney in the Congress.
Three days until the next hearing on this (as far as I recall).
Our Constitution will have become nothing more than an old piece of paper no longer respected nor followed.
It's worse than that.
It would say to the world that anyone, from anywhere, can cheat and lie their way to the Presidency of this country and we won't lift a finger to stop it....
And once they have assumed the presidency, we won't call them on their blatant lies, and will let them do whatever they want..
Assume the position everyone.
He's bona fide
I agree that Berg being a 911 truther isn't helping this cause one bit. He must be a fool to believe all that controlled demolition conspiracy garbage
As far as I know no one has gone through the pre-independence records for Kenya which are located in the U.K. Nor has anyone gone to Stanford to go through Tom Mboya’s records. The records at Stanford include personal correspondence related to his work with the student flights to the U.S. and include personal correspondence with the recipients of the flights including Obama Sr. Tom Mboya’s daughter told a reporter at one time that her father took Obama Sr to task for abandoning Jr.
if he is allowed to take office knowing what we all know that he may not even be a US citizen, the constitution is dead.
So we are in a catch 22 situation if he is allowed to run this scam?
If Berg didn't have standing before then he isn't going to magically have it on January 9th.
A suit requires legal standing and evidence of wrong-doing.
And standing requires evidence of damage done by the actions of the plaintiff that are real and concrete. So far people like Berg have had a problem establishing that.
The court picked the day after his title was official. Prior suits were dismissed on technicalities of merit and standing.
The court always conferences on Fridays.
Envision president Biden.
Resign yourself to President Obama.
Beat me to it........
Seems to me this IS part of Hussein’s corruption. McCain had to cough up his, why shouldn’t this POS?
Hopeful signs:
Chief Justice Roberts has been asking the Democrat Congress for a bigger budget to match their bigger workload and the Dems said to go jump. Money for me and not for thee.
The Supremes have been watching as Harry Reid, Pelosi et al get drunk with power and ignore the law, particluarly with regards to Burris.
Obama has also denigrated Thomas terribly and slanderously in the past.
The Supremes have also been watching the gross Democrat voter fraud in Minnesota. The Democrats are clearly out of control and need a check on their power.
Thus these things may influence the Supremes’ thought processes in our favor. They know they alone stand between America and the abyss.
Furthermore, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy each thought it was relevant enough to bring to conference. We only need 4 to get it heard. If Roberts is the man I think he is, then we may have our 4. They could pick and choose the strongest one to hear.
Thus I have hope.
And let's just give all of this a rest also. Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya) Certificate of Live Birth -- Released – Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com) Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released Soetoro adoption records -- Not released Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released Punahou School records -- Not released Selective Service Registration -- Released – Proven Counterfeit Occidental College records -- Not released Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released Columbia College records -- Not released Columbia thesis -- Not released Harvard College records -- Not released Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed) Baptism certificate -- None Medical records -- Not released Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view) Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact) Law practice client list -- Not released University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
“I don’t know why most of the conservative radio talk show hosts have just let this one drop to the floor as well.
I think it’s important and hope that we get answers.
Thanks for posting,”
I think many of them are simply spineless. They’re afraid of an Obama administration and don’t want to tip the boat lest they fall off the airwaves.
I’m with you, this IS importand and I hope there are still enough good Americans around to demand answers.
I read a while back that everything regarding his family in Kenya was sealed by the Government.
The following is the definition of “natural born Citizen” as determined by case law.
In United States vs. Wong Kim Ark, the [Supreme] court thoroughly discussed “natural born citizen”. And in doing so, Justice Gray quoted directly from the holding in a prior Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett. The following passage is a quote from Minor as quoted by Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark:
” ‘At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”
Obama has publicly stated that his father, a British citizen, registered him as a British citizen after birth and that makes Obama ineligible as he is not a natural born Citizen. The Senator knows the above, he is, after all, a Constitutional scholar, but he disagrees with much in the U.S.Constitution. In fact, he was quoted in an interview in 2001 as stating that our Constitution is a “flawed document”, and that there is much he would change.
Sir, people who support the Constitution and want it upheld as the supreme law of the land are not nutcases. And no, I will not let this go, for we have a fraud and a counterfeit who may sit in the Whitehouse. God only know how much damage he will do to our God-given rights as U.S. citizens.
If this guy were ineligible somebody would have proved it a long time ago.
***Argument from silence. Classic fallacy.
Who believes that this is some grand conspiracy that now includes the Supreme Court?
***Straw argument, again a classic fallacy. I don’t believe it. I just think the SCOTUS might not have enough courage to risk race riots in the streets over this issue. There’s no grand conspiracy in that view.
Remember Phil Berg the original filer also filed suit against Bush and Cheney for 9-11. He wanted them in jail!
***Classic fallacy of poisoning the well combined with ad hominem. Holding every lawyer accountable for the beliefs of his clients is also a fallacious approach worth mentioning.
This is stupid. The fact that people keep filing lawsuits proves nothing.
***Your usage of classical fallacies proves that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The fact that these lawsuits have been forwarded for conference 4 times is a 1 in 1.6Billion chance.
So what are the odds of these things coming together the way they have? Same IBForgery dude has same time + 4 cases being forwarded to colleagues at SCOTUS? 1/34560*1/1.8Billion which is getting too big for my calculator, it’s coming out to about 1/60 TRILLION. Now do you see why I keep pushing for contracts at Intrade? I’ll take those odds.
Will the 3rd time be the Charm in Challenging Obama’s Eligibility?
Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:56:12 PM · 88 of 91
Congressman Billybob to Kevmo
No, all cases referred to the Court are NOT conferenced. To the contrary, 99.5% are rejected without conferences. Plus, only cases that are briefed and argued are actually confedrenced.
Requests for Emergency Relief are “referred” to the other Justices when the ONE Justice who has the case things that relief MIGHT be appropriate. I’ve talked about this process for about four months, now.
Congressman Billybob
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This issue has 5 concurrent cases before SCOTUS, and our own resident constitutional scholar, Congressman Billybob, says the chances of one case being forwarded for conference is 1/200. So the chances of the issue being forwarded 3 times is 1/8M, but there’s more: Berg v Obama has been forwarded twice so we are in the 1/1.6Billion range. Name ONE other issue that this has happened with. You can’t. Are you going to be accusing the SCOTUS of engaging in a laughable conspiracy theory?
Waiting, watching and hoping...
Thanks for the ping! :)
Remember there was a judge in D.C. (I think) that sued a drycleaner for $54 million because the dry cleaner lost his pants. That kept getting reviewed by the courts too. Court review has nothing to do with legitimacy - especially if it keeps getting thrown out.
***That was one case. This is 17 cases working their way through the courts. 5 concurrently before the SCOTUS.
Stop with the conspiracy theories. Challenge Obama and the Democrats on their corruption, their erroneous and misguided policies and other things.
***How has that worked so far? You work your side of the street, we’ll work ours.
Pursuing this puts people in the Rosie O’Donnell “This was the first time in history fire melted steel” category.
******You’re completely full of Bovine Feces. There have been tons of conspiracy theories in the past, including ChemTrails, Vince Foster, Monica Lewinsky, etc. If you don’t like it, stay the heck off the threads. Instead, you’re actively trying to discourage constitutionalists on this constitutional website. You’re a FReeping Coward. This issue has 5 concurrent cases before SCOTUS, and our own resident constitutional scholar, Congressman Billybob, says the chances of one case being forwarded for conference is 1/200. So the chances of the issue being forwarded 3 times is 1/8M, but there’s more: Berg v Obama has been forwarded twice so we are in the 1/1.6Billion range. Name ONE other issue that this has happened with. You can’t. Are you going to be accusing the SCOTUS of engaging in a laughable conspiracy theory? YOU ARE A TROLL. GET LOST.
Hi lj, another one for your CoLB troll list.
I see the trolls are out in force already on this thread, playing tag team.
ing ... Obama is playing an ‘all in’ bluff.
What trolls?
First of all we do not know why the Supreme Court did not take up the injunctions for stays of the general and electoral presidential elections unless you sat in on their private conferences.
Second, no 'Writ of Certiorari' have been denied by the Supreme Court.
Third, the Supreme Court may be waiting for certification of the Electoral College vote that gives Barack Obama the presidency. We all may have "standing" after this Thursday.
lj has been keeping a list, checking it twice for CoLB trolls who are naughty, not nice.
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