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Swimming in modesty
newsobserver.com ^ | 01/01/09 | Yonat Shimron

Posted on 01/01/2009 4:52:31 PM PST by TornadoAlley3

Muslim women head to a Cary pool as another cultural barrier falls

Salman Sheikh was organizing a swim class for his two sons last summer when fellow Muslim parents approached him about starting a class for girls.

Sheikh told them he would ask the Curran Aquatic Center in Cary whether it could accommodate a group of Muslims who preferred a women-only pool.

Yes, of course, the leaders of the aquatic center said, and showed him a 15-yard pool that could be rented for $170 an hour.

STAFF PHOTOS BY COREY LOWENSTEIN - Tarannum Khan, 30, of Apex, left, and Israa Dorgham, 24, of Raleigh, catch up before changing for their swim class, the first time either has taken lessons. Shades are drawn and paper put over glass doors at Cary's Curran Aquatic Center to give them and other Muslim women privacy. Buy Photo Related Content More Photos More Food & Fitness Swimming in modesty Chile relleno from Mez Stars in the Triangle food firmament Fiesta Grill hangs on – just barely Making pork and kraut palatable Support your local produce

Problem was, the small pool overlooked a larger, Olympic-size pool, and Sheikh wondered whether the center could provide blinds to cover the windows and shield the women from onlookers.

Sure, the center's leaders said, but it would cost $3,000 for custom-made blinds. Sheikh was ready to drop the idea. But the Muslim community in Raleigh and Cary wouldn't let him.

Within a month, Sheikh, a native of Pakistan who works as a project manager for the state Department of Health and Human Services, raised the money and signed up 35 women for the first class.

Last month, a group of women of all ages dipped their toes into the water for the first time.

This type of accommodation to the religious requirements of their faith is something Muslims are seeing more. All-Muslim Boy Scout and Girl Scout troops have cropped up across the country. Muslims are entering politics, studying Islam at major American universities, even finding halal, or ritually slaughtered foods, at local stores.

"I see this as sign of Muslims learning to operate within American civic institutions," said Omid Safi, a professor of Islamic studies at UNC-Chapel Hill.

For many of the women who signed up for the first class, learning to swim had been a long-deferred wish.

"I didn't ever want to be in a situation where I fall in the water and can't help myself," said Tarannum Khan, 30, who signed up for the class in Cary.

Many devout Muslim women adhere to their faith's requirements to guard their modesty, which for them means covering their hair and bodies in the presence of men who aren't their relatives. By doing so, they believe they are deflecting the desires and gazes of the opposite sex and living the kind of life the Prophet Muhammad might have approved.

Deprived of a dip

In mostly Muslim countries, it is common to have separate pools for men and women. But in the United States that's virtually unheard of, and as a result many Muslim women grow up not knowing how to swim.

Saleha Bhatti of Raleigh, who accompanied her 16-year-old daughter, Sanaa, to the swim class, said that was the case in her family. Had she stayed in Pakistan, she might have taken lessons at a women's pool, but in the United States, it wasn't an option.

"We never had the chance to learn," Bhatti said.

Jenny Jaber, a convert to Islam who lives in Raleigh, said learning to swim should not be a luxury. Indeed, she said, learning to swim is encouraged in the oral sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, known as the hadith.

"I've wanted to waterproof this community for a long time," said Jaber, who worked as a water safety instructor until she converted. "We're around water all the time, and it unnerves me to see these women standing on piers."

The first swimming class for Muslim women focused mostly on the fundamentals of water safety: wading, learning to float, learning to breathe.

Many of the women came dressed in full-length Burkinis, swimming costumes that looks much like a scuba-diving suit but are made of water-protected polyester rather than rubber. Designed for Muslim women, they cover the entire body except for the hands, feet and face.

Huma Sheikh, the wife of Salman, said she considers herself a pioneer among Triangle Muslim women who have learned to swim. She is proud that her husband and her two boys, Hamza, 9, and Mohhid, 7, can swim. And proud that she can, too.

"I've learned all the strokes," she said, "but I'm best at the breast stroke."

The first class ended last month, and the Sheikhs are planning another one in March or April.

"It's created a lot of excitement," said Doracy Harrison, program manager at the Curran Aquatic Center. "It's been really neat."

For the Sheikhs, the success of the class is a lesson in cultural adjustment. "It makes sense for business and service providers to accommodate the needs of the community," Salman Sheikh said. "All it takes is dialogue to make it happen."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: cary; creepingsharia; creepingshariah; islam; muslim; muslims; muslimwomen; ncarolina; northcarolina; pakistan; pool; raleigh; swimming
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1 posted on 01/01/2009 4:52:32 PM PST by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

I swim at this pool and read a similar article yesterday. What a load of crap.


2 posted on 01/01/2009 4:53:53 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: TornadoAlley3

3 posted on 01/01/2009 4:53:54 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

I saw a muslim woman swim at my pool. She wore a jogbra and some shorts and that ended up see through after getting wet.


4 posted on 01/01/2009 4:55:39 PM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Geez. Build your own damn pool.
5 posted on 01/01/2009 4:56:16 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: TornadoAlley3
In mostly Muslim countries, it is common to have separate pools for men and women. But in the United States that's virtually unheard of...

Perhaps it's because the United States isn't a muslim country.

And incidentally, it's never gonna be.

Get the old man to put a pool at the house, and youse can all meet there.

6 posted on 01/01/2009 4:57:52 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: pnh102

Why? If they want to rent the pool for a private party, why should they be different, say, than a nudist group?


7 posted on 01/01/2009 4:59:14 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven! (USCG Aux))
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To: TornadoAlley3

In the fundamentalist circles I am in, the discussion of modesty has come up a lot. For example, many think a skirt wearing woman is more modest than one wearing jeans...and it goes on. But consider this, the more modest woman is the one not drawing unwarranted attention to herself. A woman entering a pool in a swimsuit is not going to attract more attention to herself because every other woman at the pool is wearing the same thing. On the other hand, the woman wearing the body tent is going to attract all kinds of lookers. So who in reality is being the most modest?


8 posted on 01/01/2009 4:59:57 PM PST by DonaldC
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To: TornadoAlley3

So I assume they are allowed to drive? The Raleigh area has a large Muslim population for some reason, including many Palestinians.


9 posted on 01/01/2009 5:01:05 PM PST by OCC
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To: TornadoAlley3

If these members of the Cult of Hating Sex are so insistent on “modesty,” they can either build their own pool (with all private money, not one cent of taxpayer money) or go back to whatever Muslim sh*thole they came from. It’s incredibly arrogant, rude, and unethical of them to demand that a host country change its customs.

I work out. I like going to the beach or the pool in a bikini. I’ll keep my bikini, and they can keep their abayas - in their private pools, or in their Muslim countries.


10 posted on 01/01/2009 5:06:17 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
"I see this as sign of Muslims learning to operate within American civic institutions," said Omid Safi, a professor of Islamic studies at UNC-Chapel Hill.

To paraphrase:

"I see this as sign of Americans having to waste money, and compromise the American way of life, in order to cater for ridiculous cult-like demands" said bethybabes69, a citizen who's fed up of seeing this very same agenda day in, day out.
11 posted on 01/01/2009 5:06:52 PM PST by bethybabes69
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To: TornadoAlley3
But in the United States that's virtually unheard of, and as a result many Muslim women grow up not knowing how to swim.

Then get a freakin pool in your own backyard and invite all your mooslim women friends over!

12 posted on 01/01/2009 5:08:50 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Just Registered With the Conservative Party...RINO's can kiss my......)
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To: GAB-1955
Why? If they want to rent the pool for a private party, why should they be different, say, than a nudist group?

I agree. What pisses me off is when muslims demand that their beliefs be accommodated and that taxpayers pick up the tab (i.e foot washing facilities in public rest rooms, etc.) but that's not the case here. I'm fine with them paying for the pool time and the blinds if they want special treatment.

13 posted on 01/01/2009 5:10:24 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: JillValentine
I like going to the beach or the pool in a bikini.

And you have pictures to prove this. ;)

14 posted on 01/01/2009 5:10:37 PM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
And incidentally, it's never gonna be.

unless if this crap keeps up
15 posted on 01/01/2009 5:16:55 PM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: JillValentine

Just for the records, I like bikinis too. Not that I’ve ever worn one.


16 posted on 01/01/2009 5:19:19 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pnh102; JillValentine
And you have pictures to prove this.

Yeah, I am skeptical, as well.
Lets see some proof. ;^)

17 posted on 01/01/2009 5:20:10 PM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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To: GAB-1955
Why? If they want to rent the pool for a private party, why should they be different, say, than a nudist group?

They shouldn't, but they are objecting to sharing space with ordinary Americans, based solely on their own extreme cultural beliefs, not because they want to celebrate in a group activity, it's just recreational swimming.

The dangerous precedence here is the minute that happens, you are creating segregated societies, just like South Africa had, buses, cinemas, swimming pools for whites and blacks etc.

You simply cannot have a balanced, peaceful community whilst one group refuses to associate with another, and thence you create a multicultural dumpster, a place where your future terrorists are borne out of. Come to Yorkshire, I'll take you for a drive, 10 miles from my home, and I'll show you that dumpster first hand.

These tiny steps are so important, they'll incessantly eat away at your way of life.
18 posted on 01/01/2009 5:21:09 PM PST by bethybabes69
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To: TornadoAlley3
Maybe it's just me, but I prefer seeing this:

to seeing this


19 posted on 01/01/2009 5:32:34 PM PST by tx_eggman (I own two rare photos. Houdini as he locks his keys in his car and Norman Rockwell beating a child.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Wearing a large amount of clothing will comdemn you to drowning no matter how well you know how to swim.

How stupid can a person or political movement be? Islam is not a religion but a political movement.


20 posted on 01/01/2009 5:37:14 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: tx_eggman

21 posted on 01/01/2009 5:38:38 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Great. Cary is no longer the Containment Area for Relocated YANKEES.


22 posted on 01/01/2009 5:39:51 PM PST by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

FAIL


23 posted on 01/01/2009 5:39:57 PM PST by martin_fierro (Rest in Peace, Marshall T.)
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To: martin_fierro

EPIC FAIL

24 posted on 01/01/2009 5:45:26 PM PST by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

one positive, the pool owners weren’t forced by the govt. or CAIR to do it, and the muslim’s paid for the “improvements”.


25 posted on 01/01/2009 5:47:14 PM PST by machogirl (taglines are like shoes: if you're a gal, you can never have too many)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“I see this as sign of Muslims learning to operate within American civic institutions,” said Omid Safi, a professor of Islamic studies at UNC-Chapel Hill. “

No Omid it’s the other way around. A further Balkanization of our society.

All Muslim Boy Scout troops? Please.


26 posted on 01/01/2009 5:48:11 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: bethybabes69
and thence you create a multicultural dumpster

I like it. May I steal it?

27 posted on 01/01/2009 5:48:29 PM PST by Dysart (Socialism=Vomit Carnage)
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To: cmsgop
looks like shes had bariatric surgery...
28 posted on 01/01/2009 5:50:58 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Let's see, they paid for the blinds and paid for the pool rental.

Heck with it. Capitalism in action.

29 posted on 01/01/2009 5:51:09 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: Dysart

You may, you may get a big ship, hook said dumpster on the back, and you may tow it all back home with you, but, be warned, it’s a big, big thing!


30 posted on 01/01/2009 5:51:35 PM PST by bethybabes69
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To: bill1952
If you really want to see some women in bikinis here a picture for you.


31 posted on 01/01/2009 5:57:11 PM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: bethybabes69

Oh, I was referring to your colorful metaphor, of course. Please keep what you have as we are busy with our own! No room at the Inn.


32 posted on 01/01/2009 5:58:29 PM PST by Dysart (Socialism=Vomit Carnage)
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To: Dysart

You know, on second thoughts, it’s be easier of you brought a dumpster over here with you, all the (as you’d imagine British) people could climb in it and start a new British (dumpster) Isles, and you could tow the rest of our infested Island back with you! Brilliant eh? Be much easier than trying to do it the other way round.


33 posted on 01/01/2009 5:59:15 PM PST by bethybabes69
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To: Centurion2000

You call it capital. I call it bait.


34 posted on 01/01/2009 5:59:24 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: JillValentine

R.O.T.F.L.O.L.


35 posted on 01/01/2009 5:59:56 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Perdogg

When my husband’s ship went to the Mid-east they went to a water park in Dubai where most of the women wore their head covered and jeans in the pool.


36 posted on 01/01/2009 6:02:03 PM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: Dysart
Oh, I was referring to your colorful metaphor, of course

Ahhhh, i see! It's yours!
37 posted on 01/01/2009 6:02:09 PM PST by bethybabes69
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To: martin_fierro

I’m sorry, that’s ridiculous, that lady could drown with all that heavy stuff on.


38 posted on 01/01/2009 6:03:12 PM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: Perdogg
She wore a jogbra and some shorts and that ended up see through after getting wet.

Did you get turned on and then stone her for turning you on?

39 posted on 01/01/2009 6:06:33 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
What a load of crap.

My sentiments exactly. These a-holes need to grow up and get lives.

40 posted on 01/01/2009 6:06:47 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TornadoAlley3
And let's not be fooled into thinking that this is about random Muslim women who want to swim in unrevealing swimsuits.

This is about ESTABLISHING A PATTERN of forcing the West to ACCOMMODATE MUSLIM TRADITIONS.

Hear me now, believe me later.

41 posted on 01/01/2009 6:08:36 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: bethybabes69

I really dont see a problem with this, they RENTED the pool. They did not demand usage and consessions


42 posted on 01/01/2009 6:09:35 PM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: brwnsuga

I have actually seen a girl in an Islamic swimsuit. Head-to-toe with a swim cap.


43 posted on 01/01/2009 6:12:33 PM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Interesting to see Muslims demanding the return of male/female segregation and modesty practices which were last viewed as normal in the US about 100 years ago. I’m certain the incidence of crimes against women is far higher within Muslim communities than it is in US society as a whole. Step into the present, US Muslims - your daughters will thank you for it.


44 posted on 01/01/2009 6:14:38 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Lizavetta

No. She was cute, she was actually wearing shorts, a jogbra with a t-shirt over it. I was surprised when she took her t-shirt off.


45 posted on 01/01/2009 6:15:35 PM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Cary = Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees


46 posted on 01/01/2009 6:17:05 PM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: Perdogg

I was referring to the ones who make a stink about the whole thing.


47 posted on 01/01/2009 6:17:27 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta

She was with her mother I believe.


48 posted on 01/01/2009 6:18:16 PM PST by Perdogg (Only the hypnotized never lie)
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To: TornadoAlley3
She was afraid to come out of the شاطئ, منطقة ساحلية سكن
She was as nervous as she could be
She was afraid to come out of the شاطئ, منطقة ساحلية سكن
She was afraid that somebody would see

Two-three-four, tell the people what she wore

It was an Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Burkini
That she wore for the first time today
An Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Burkini
So in the شاطئ, منطقة ساحلية سكن, she wanted to stay


49 posted on 01/01/2009 6:19:23 PM PST by Former Fetus
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To: JillValentine
It’s incredibly arrogant, rude, and unethical of them to demand that a host country change its customs.

Well said. If they can't or won't adapt then they can go back to their countries where their lifestyle is normal IMO.

50 posted on 01/01/2009 6:21:13 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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