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Oregon Looks to Legislate GPS Mileage Tax, Faces Privacy Fears
DailyTech ^ | December 31, 2008 | Jason Mick

Posted on 12/31/2008 12:34:02 PM PST by hreardon

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To: Freedom4US

Keep in mind that when one looks into the future, we could be talking about hydrogen cars, too. And although I’m sure that taxes could be implemented “at the pump” there, too.

Perhaps they’re also thinking that with all the different kinds of fuels and vehicles that “mileage” might be the simplest one of all — all under “one roof”. That’s just a guess on my part. I don’t know that from reading it anywhere...


101 posted on 12/31/2008 3:29:48 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: melancholy

Oh, I agree, it would be far simpler to pay the tax and be done with it... LOL.. It was just a humorous “aside” and nothing much more than that.

But, as far as recalling officials, I don’t know if a “different methodology” for assessing the so-called “gas tax” is reason for recalling officials. I mean, the tax is going to be paid anyway and roads certainly do need to be improved and kept up and major infrastructure repairs are needed (I think...). So, if the tax, in regards to our road infrastructure is going to take “x-amount of dollars” (whatever that is) — I wouldn’t think it would matter how it came to be collected — if it were going to be the same in one instance or the other.

By that, I mean — if you collect “x-dollars” at the pump for what you need — and in the other methodology, you collect those same “x-dollars” by means of the GPS-device — then it’s a “wash” — one way versus the other way.

Now, there are issues with the privacy angle, but from what I was reading, I guess they will make those devices so that they don’t transmit location but only mileage info. So, if that’s correct, then it wouldn’t be any more of a privacy issue than it would be when the DMV asks me for the mileage on my odometer (which they do at times).

Anyway, it’s a different methodology for collecting the tax — but — it’s not a different tax.


102 posted on 12/31/2008 3:37:01 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: DevNet

You said — “That is controlled by software - all it would take is a mandatory FOR THE CHILDREN update to enable it.”

Ummmm..., gas tax for the children? That one went right over my head... :-)

I mean, I know that there are various things out there in “law-land” (LOL...) which are done “for the children” — but I can’t imagine how gas tax would be applied to the children.


103 posted on 12/31/2008 3:41:29 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

No. If you have a record of everyone’s movements you can make it easier to solve crimes.

Just imagine a weeping mother on the news calling for real time updates because her kid was kidnapped and found dead because the police could not locate the get away care quick enough.


104 posted on 12/31/2008 3:46:34 PM PST by DevNet
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To: Star Traveler
My point is that mass transit and light rail are two very common "thefts" of gas tax revenue. The money thus stolen is not available for road building and maintenance. When the lefties start howling for more gas tax money for roads, you need to make sure they don't have their hands in the cookie jar.
105 posted on 12/31/2008 3:57:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Star Traveler
Now, there are issues with the privacy angle, but from what I was reading, I guess they will make those devices so that they don’t transmit location but only mileage info. So, if that’s correct,.............

Trust me, it ain't gonna be correct or enough for communists. It's incremental tightening with excuses galore.......law enforcement, tracking terrorists "only", etc.

Tracking and control would be the end of our beloved America with only one way to prevent it, period.

106 posted on 12/31/2008 3:58:48 PM PST by melancholy (When a Marxist , playing Ape Lincoln, is elected BOTUS (B = Butt), shiite happens!)
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To: Star Traveler
One of my co-workers built a special interface for fueling hydrogen powered cars. There was a need to monitor the fill level of the tank that wasn't easily accessible. He did it with 802.11b wireless networking. It worked well, but hydrogen refueling stations are exceedingly rare. The presence of the 802.11b wireless would also facilitate things such as GPS mileage data transfers.
107 posted on 12/31/2008 4:01:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: basil
They laugh behind closed doors because people don't give a rats ass
until something falls out of the sky and hits them in the head.
Then they complain. The majority of people I meet are miserable anyway.
108 posted on 12/31/2008 4:06:13 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: hreardon

This make no sense. Par for the course from “Sleepy Ted”.

So what is wrong with the folks at DEQ just reading my odometer every two years when I have to take my car in for registration and emissions testing?

I know this is ‘for the roads’, but it is not like Oregon throws much of the money collected into improving the infrastructure, most of it goes to light rail and bike paths. And this isn’t fair to the progressives driving their Pri’i. They are doing their part to ‘save the planet’ and get dinged at the save rate per mile. Oh wait, that’s right, hybrid owners will get a rebate.


109 posted on 12/31/2008 5:04:04 PM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Know the difference between honoring diversity and honoring perversity? No? You must be a liberal!)
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To: Myrddin; Star Traveler; Duck Fan
The left hates roads.

Free people travel on roads.
Drones and slaves use (proletarian) mass(es) transit.

The left loves drones and slaves.

As for filling your gas-cans instead of your fuel tank, that trick will work just fine.... right up until the day your park your pick-up at the pump and are greeted by a sign saying "Effective immediately, all fuel not dispensed directly into a vehicle tank is subject to a 3000% price surcharge."

110 posted on 12/31/2008 5:24:17 PM PST by Tenniel2 ("When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one" -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Tenniel2

Actually, I was thinking about siphoning it out of the vehicle at home... :-0


111 posted on 12/31/2008 5:26:01 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
I really don’t see the necessity or the "problem" that this GPS-system solves...

Well, they don't get as much information that way, which from their point of view is a problem. (Not from mine)

112 posted on 12/31/2008 5:54:32 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, it’s not that they drive less, but rather, they use less gas, but drive as much. Thus, you got a car that does as much miles on the road, but takes less gas, thus causing the same damage to the road, but not paying its share of "use".

Not true. Road damage is highly dependent on axle weight, so the gas tax actually turns out to be a very fair funding arrangement.

113 posted on 12/31/2008 5:58:35 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: hreardon

Now Tax-n-gouge-me (the Governor) wants to use GPS to track us and tax us per mile. The Gas tax isn’t high enough, now he has to TRACK us too.

I HATE Democrats.


114 posted on 12/31/2008 6:06:37 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Zakeet

That’s entirely too close to the truth..........

Idaho is looking attractive, and Alaska. Alaska more so really.


115 posted on 12/31/2008 6:07:34 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: Danae

Oregon is a police state... I’m getting ready to leave.


116 posted on 12/31/2008 6:08:40 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Still Thinking
Road damage is highly dependent on axle weight, so the gas tax actually turns out to be a very fair funding arrangement.

How is food delivered to the grocer?

117 posted on 12/31/2008 6:10:07 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: cc2k

I guess I have good reason to avoid Oregon at all cost.


118 posted on 12/31/2008 8:04:25 PM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: Star Traveler

Just $.02 a gallon? That’s worth it to not let the government know where I’ve been or how far I’ve traveled.


119 posted on 12/31/2008 8:05:10 PM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: Pontiac

Under the guise of protecting consumers from odometer tampering.


120 posted on 12/31/2008 9:49:21 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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