Posted on 12/30/2008 3:32:29 PM PST by grundle
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Tolerance only goes so far it seems...
Taking NIMBY to a new extreme.
Influx of black renters raises tension in Bay Area
Dec 30, 3:24 PM (ET)
By PAUL ELIAS
ANTIOCH, Calif. (AP) - As more and more black renters began moving into this mostly white San Francisco Bay Area suburb a few years ago, neighbors started complaining about loud parties, mean pit bulls, blaring car radios, prostitution, drug dealing and muggings of schoolchildren.
In 2006, as the influx reached its peak, the police department formed a special crime-fighting unit to deal with the complaints, and authorities began cracking down on tenants in federally subsidized housing.
Now that police unit is the focus of lawsuits by black families who allege the city of 100,000 is orchestrating a campaign to drive them out.
"A lot of people are moving out here looking for a better place to live," said Karen Coleman, a mother of three who came here five years ago from a blighted neighborhood in nearby Pittsburg. "We are trying to raise our kids like everyone else. But they don't want us here."
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Pretty funny. Stupid liberals.
Talk the talk, can’t walk the walk. Same reason libs don’t want vouchers, its not about God, its because deep down they are the most racist people on earth.
No, Villaunreal, they just don't like the de-concentration of crime that seems to go hand in glove. In this case, the glove fits!
Reminds me of that researcher couple who discovered their independent studies on crime flow and housing de-concentration had an astounding correlation. IIRC, the gist was when selected tenants were successfully moved out to the burbs, the programs were ramped up with relaxed standards and hilarity ensued.
Thanks for letting me know!
That may be. But are your neighbors doing the same?
Odds are, they're not.
What the media characterizes as "black/white" things often are not.
The primary victims of racism are those blacks who try to subscribe to "white values". They are treated with contempt by the black majority...and the white majority does not distinguish them from the antagonistic black majority.
Thanks to: the Black Leadership, the Democrat Party and the Mainstream Media.
But whatever you do, don’t “profile.”
...La Vida DemoLib... Hurray for the newest of the ACLU Pottervilles.
I doubt very much their grandfathers would recognize their progeny today.
Now, an interesting piece is that quietly over the past oh, 4 years or so - young multicuturals have been buying up the old sec 8s in East Oakland and rehabbing them - essentially shutting out the deadbeats from the neighborhoods.
Enough has happened that the DBs are now forced to the suburbs. Hellooo Antioch.
http://www.kcbs.com/High-Speed-Ferry-Planned-Between-Antioch-and-SF/1626780
High-Speed Ferry Planned Between Antioch and SF
Gotta love it.
Listing Type ...Number ....Median Price ....Price Change from Nov
Homes for Sale 277 .......$235,000 .........0.0% New Homes .....9 .........$489,100 .........-2.8% Foreclosures ...2,320 .....$315,000 .........-0.3%
1 year value change according to Yahoo Real Estate
Gotta love that liberal flight...
Antioch is as much located in the central valley as the SF bay area, and the central valley is probably the most conservative part of the state.
Why can’t they all just get along?
Blacks should be welcomed there - Bay liberals advertise themselves and tolerant. I assume that means tolerant of people not like themselves... Right?
Blacks should be welcomed there - Bay liberals advertise themselves as tolerant. I assume that means tolerant of people not like themselves... Right?
“These black communities are only about 60 years old”
My GGfather and family moved to Oakland in 1908. The Bay Area was a paradise then - sans SF after the quake.
Even the majority of first gen blacks from the WWII xplants trashed the area.
The majority of my clients in the BA are black. Most have lost a son or daughter to violence.
Some are upstanding.
You hit it right on.
San Franfreako could use a few real men to dilute out the fudge-eating molestors of little boys. The Black community will not tolerate the degenerates and rightly so.
Nothing to debate. The answer is Yes in most cases. I'm no scholar, but I have witnessed (and victimized by) it first hand.
Race TENSION?? In that city by the Bay?? The home of PC???
The site of those cool gay pride parades and public fudge packing displays???
I’m shocked. Just SHOCKED!!
He did not listen and bought a new home there. His kids, middle schoolers, as I recall, lasted two days and then refused to go back.
This article is a rehash of that which could have been written ten years ago.
Sounds like 0bamas goal for the nation.
Hour plus? more likely two hours, unless the boat is a LOT faster then the Vallejo Ferry. It is almost as far from Antioch to Vallejo as it is from Vallejo to SF.
I foolishly thought the public hearings they held were intended as a means of airing opposition in good faith, and that the board would keep an open mind.
Boy did I get schooled.
lol....they should try where I come from
welcome to the real world ya’ll
I got to know a.) the people who worked for me (most of them black), b.) the people who lived around me (many of them black) and c.) the people I did business with (some of them black).
My most pungent discovery was how most blacks treated those amongst them who tried to better themselves -- with disdain and contempt.
What welfare and the so-called War on Poverty, plus the so-called civil rights "leadership", have done to the average black family is absolutely friggin' criminal.
I helped two of them -- one to go to college, one to change his ways and find a responsible job. My help wasn't motivated by their color, but because they were, underneath it all, good kids. And, in the second case, I didn't even know that -- until he came and thanked me two months after I'd fired him.
The older people in the community appreciated the work I provided...and described and supported me as "fair". Because of this, I never suffered any petty thievery at my home or at the farm.
The 30-40 generation was mostly useless. They worked if the welfare check was late (or they weren't eligible) and they needed the money. But, once payday rolled around, you were unlikely to see them for another week.
The 20-30 generation was even more useless...and confrontational. Except a few weren't quite set in their ways -- thus, one to college, one to a good job.
My ten years in Alabama provided me with a sociological education.
And, as a result, I'll pray every night for the federal government and the Democrat Party to "let those people go!"
I’m sorry for your experience. I’ve never heard of one of those public hearings having any results other than the people in charge being able to say “we held a public hearing.” Relatives of mine had the same thing happen. An area set aside for a park in the addition where they live was sold by the city to a investor who immediately build apartments. And of course the crime has followed. So the formerly safe and secure neighborhood now has incidents that were unheard of previously. There were numerous protests by the home owners in the addition, but it didn’t even slow down the city fathers and the investor/builder.
Here is what you are talking about
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/memphis-crime
Projects demolished — Residents get Sec8 — Hilarity ensues
Quote from article
“On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.”
My sister-in-law and her family live there and have since the late eighties, I believe. I have never heard them complain and our visits to their home are nice. They live in an older but well-maintained neighborhood which I might call solid middle-class.
I have long believed that housing projects just result in pooling of pathologies but scattering them around may have its own problems. First, and foremost I might conjecture, is expecting kids who are living in a neighborhood by dint of subsidies to enjoy hanging out with kids whose parents can afford to give them nicer things like iPods, cars, stereos, vacations, etc. It leads to self-segregation and envy, possibly to crime to “level the playing field.” Unfortunately the government prefers to toss money and apartments at these problems instead of facing headon the pathologies such as the cult of victimhood, low esteem of education and American values, poor language, dress and other markers of groups which despise their own society. Until they take those on, it doesn’t matter where these families are sent to live.
In spite of the abundant evidence of what happens - every time - when the government seeks to ‘fix’ real or perceived societal problems, its so discouraging that most Americans apparently still believe in government ‘solutions’.
And spread the misery all around while so doing.
I left that room so p*ssed off I couldn't see straight.
Well the direct effect of socialism's "spreading the wealth around" IS an increase in poverty.
If the use is special - like as a commercial use such as a halfway house of more than 6 occupants- it may require a use permit. This kind of use is discretionary and can be denied on the grounds of compatibility on the basis of neighborhood opposition. (I believe it is a state/federal requirement that 6 or less occupants is treated the same as a private home.)
According to the article, they are complaining about "loud parties, mean pit bulls, blaring car radios, prostitution, drug dealing and muggings of schoolchildren." You and I would complain too if that was happening in our neighborhoods.
I lived in Antioch for fifteen years, ending in 2003. I went back for a look around in 2007- and almost didn’t recognize the place. It has *exploded*.
I lurk the boards at the CC Times’ website and Topix.com- and have heard nothing but ‘Antioch is going to the gangs’ for years now.
BTW this is exactly the same as in our case - the owner had willed the land to the neighborhood children as a park.
But of course, a park for the kids doesn't profit the city fathers...
Was this in Antioch?
Thanks for that research. I know there is a FR thread or two. Cyanosis with measles, eh? The mark of the democRAT social engineer.
Wow! The government has a BIG JOB ahead of it.
I hope I can afford to help pay for this wonderful project.
I'm sure when Lord BO takes the throne He will show us the way.
Post #40
Campbell, CA. South bay area.
So the fat welfare mommas moved in with their drunk boyfriends and their commie kids and the neighborhood is going to hell.
It will take a million years for these dolts to figure out what the problem is. There is nothing more stupid than a fat female on welfare. Oh, wait. There’s boxes of rocks.
Tie game.
(And for all you hand-wringing, bed-wetting PC RINOs at FR, I speak from experience. All the fat pig welfare mommas where I lived were white as snow. So save your race-baiting breathe, a***holes.)
I’ve noticed a growing trend: libs attacking libs. Obama is getting sued by the atheists for having a preacher at the inauguration. These blacks who have moved into SF suing the mecca of the left. Liberalism is beginning to devour itself.
“Liberalism is beginning to devour itself.”
You’ve gotta love it!
Forty years ago, when I lived in Antioch & worked at Port Chicago, (West) Pittsburgh was a blighted nieghborhood.
For several weeks I was picking up & dropping off a co-worker, a Black Panther, who lived there. After the second week, he told me that he wasn't having 'car problems', but 'just felt safer' riding with me in out of da 'hood.
I worked in Birmingham, Alabama for 5 years in a restaurant while I ws going to school. I worked in the kitchen with a mostly black crew, although it was a high quality place (black marble tables, etc...) I would hang out with them after work (often at 1 or 2 in the morning.) They were all great guys and I miss them. They were working for a living. They would sometimes talk trash about those in the black community (literally on the other side of the tracks in B’ham) who were unemployed and collecting welfare. One of them was Leroy. He was a semi-toothless, nearly illiterate guy who washed dishes, but he was also a good guy. I used to have him over at my apt (140 bucks a month rent back then) and we’d booze it up and play blues on guitar.
One thing I learned was that many of the younger guys resented the less productive members of their community. I used to hang with Leroy at his place now and then. He lived in the projects on the south side of B’ham, literally across the railroad tracks. These were very old brick buildings and were true gov’t projects. He hated taking me there because most people there were basically bums and criminals and he didn’t have much good to say about them. But we still hung out and drank and had a good time.
I also learned that the older blacks at the restaurant were more disciplined and didn’t much like they younger blacks unless they were working and pulling their weight. I especially recall Emma in particular, a godly lady and a true angel. Heart of gold. I still miss her.
I just wish young blacks today would listen to their grandparents. They have a lot to offer. But times and culture have changed.
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