Posted on 12/27/2008 5:23:50 AM PST by marktwain
Back to the case at hand. Do you rerally think this shooting qualifies?
Looks like the freepers are getting all emotional on this one.
“Boudreaux again pushed the older man and allegedly struck him in the chest area where he recently had a pacemaker inserted”
Wouldn’t you consider this an attack?
I would.
It says in the link you provided:
Boudreaux and his estranged wife had been going through mediation to resolve their custody dispute, which fell through, Whittle said..... Visitation papers had not been signed by a judge
It also says in the article that the mother let the paternal grandmother come and visit but when she tried to invite the father he "got ugly".
Let me know where my logic fails:
If old Nitzy wanted to come to YOUR house to take YOUR children home with me I should be able to because there is no court order preventing me. Further more you would be wrong for using force to stop me.
Yep. Maybe the grandpa thing creates an extra emotional wrinkle.
Umm, I didn’t “add” punching, I read the article.
“As the two left the home out to the driveway, Boudreaux again pushed the older man and allegedly struck him in the chest area where he recently had a pacemaker inserted, “
STRUCK him in the chest area sounds like punching to me. But what do I know, maybe it was a love tap.
Cooler heads should always prevail.
I had a custody case with my kids that sounds similar to this one. My kids mother wouldn’t abide by the court order, and continuously harrased me and my family, but I never got violent until self defense was needed.
Yes it can be maddening for a father whose kids’ mother wont play fair, but that does not justify taking the situation to this point. The father should have pursued the legal option further.
I wouldn’t.
You only have one side of that story. The survivors.
The father had the legal right to take his kids for a visit. The grandfather and the mother violated that legal agreement.
The father had already left the house without his kids.
The grandfather killed the father in the driveway with one shot causing multiple wounds.
If you’re going to add to the story, what would happen if I added the last “words” of the father such as, “I’m calling the sheriff and having all of you arrested and I’ll have custody of my kids” just before the grandfather pumped him full of lead.
Again, the father arrived to take his kids for a legal visit. The grandfather and the mother were in violation of that legal agreement. They are the guilty party.
Is old Nitzy named on my children's birth certificates? If so, WE need to talk about support, Nitz.
You have read too many novels, and clearly are untrained.
You shoot until the threat is over. RGSpincich is correct.
And you’ve taken one class too many and fashion yourself some sort of an expert.
“I was set up like that once. I knew enough about my ex’s family to back out when I saw the threat. It is an easy way to get rid of somebody. “
Holy smokes. Do you really think they plotted to kill you?
Other than the assertions of the the person who shot him and that man’s daughter what is the evidence that the man who was killed was in any way violent? Most abusers don’t just go off once. There is a history. There is mention of additional calls to the police but not what was said or which party they were calling about.
You may automatically want to believe that the man is at fault but having, on various occasions, been punched, slapped, spat on and dodged a cup of hot coffee I can tell you it isn’t always so.
There are a lot of questions that need to be asked before we condemn anyone; such as what was the nature of the relationship, had there been past violence? If so, initiated by whom? What was the nature of the custody agreement and each party’s rights under that agreement?
I think we should all just cool off until all of the facts are brought out.
It doesn't matter who is on the birth certificate. There have been court orders allowing grandparents visitation and there have been court orders denying fathers visitation. In this case there was no court order at all.
What if it was this guy who wanted to be a "good dad" and visit his kids? Should he need to wait for a silly court permission or should he be able to just go and take them when he wants to. There are thousands of "good dads" who are only allowed to visit their children with supervision. The reason is because some "good dads" are such dicks they would strike an 80 year old with a pacemaker.
Another master of theory. RG is full of BS.
Again, other than the assertions of the person who shot him and that man’s daughter, what evidence is there that this actually happened?
It’s a beautiful morning here, I think I’ll take a walk on the beach, and contemplate the kind of people who equate men with their private parts.
Most of the time, multiple gunshots can be fired before a determination of the effects of the first shot can be made.
Multiple shots can be fired in fractions of a second. It usually takes longer than that for the effect of the first shot to be apparent. From the articles that I have seen about this case, I cannot determine who acted improperly, or if there were multiple improper actions. That is a separate issue from the assertion that multiple shots indicate something other than self-defense. I believe that RGSpincich made that claim in haste, and no longer is pursuing that argument. RGSpincich has struck me as someone who is trying to get at the truth, but the truth in this case is clouded and difficult to reach with the information that we have.
Huh? You say the BC doesn't matter. You cite an example using a court ordered visitation as proof that parents named on the BC are not exclusively entitled to see the children. Then you say courts can order that fathers be denied contact with their kids. Then you wipe it all out and say there are no court orders in this case. When there is no court order the only thing that does matter is the birth certificate.
That sounds both relaxing and exciting.
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