Posted on 12/10/2008 9:14:09 PM PST by pissant
Barack Obama might have thought a majority in the Electoral College would be enough to ensure him the presidency, to provide an indisputable exclamation mark after the 67 million votes he won in November.
That’s only because Obama won’t admit the truth: The Hawaii-born former senator from Illinois isn’t really a “natural-born” citizen of the United States of America and is, therefore, ineligible to be president.
It’s true!
There are lawsuits, and blogs, and Web sites filled with things that look like facts! Heck, there was even a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune, before its parent company declared bankruptcy!
If the mainstream media weren’t in cahoots with the courts, and if everybody would bother to read the U.S. Constitution, we’d all know that the presidential election of 2008 isn’t finished, heaven help us.
Despite the fact that he was born in Honolulu to an American mother and has the birth certificate to prove it, Obama isn’t really an American, according to lawsuits filed by people who really need to consider finding a hobby.
The certifiable certificate hunters occupy just one branch of the crazy tree of deniers who have crafted a tangle of competing claims, none of which makes anything like sense:
1. Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, forged by the state of Hawaii, which would be plain if the campaign would just release it, along with his letters of admission to Occidental College, Columbia and Harvard.
2. The decision to release the birth certificate to the well-respected FactCheck.org Web site (which confirmed its authenticity) proves that Obama has something to hide, since facts are untrustworthy.
(Excerpt) Read more at hamptonroads.com ...
Really? I hadn’t heard anything about this.
Really? I’ve seen no truth from the Obama camp or the MSM (same difference.)
“one of which makes anything like sense”
Now, see, I’m no BC-truther, and most of them annoy me as much as Kennedy conspiracists and Art Bell, but this is not exactly true. Obama could make certified copies of his BC public. I, for one, figure he’s probably native-born. Just release the documents, if for no other reason than it would make people be quiet.
It would be nice to see some truth-er from Obama.
Electoral College? Sissy Matthews was asking if we could just go ahead and swear in Barack Obama on December 1st because we must be rid of booosh and there is all of this pressing need to get on with the CHANGE people voted for.
Communism kills. Socialism sucks. And so do Democrats.
Native born, maybe. It doesn’t matter because his father was a Britsh citizen at the time of the Senator’s birth, and under British law that baby would be a British citizen for the rest of his life UNTIL he repudiates that British citizenship. Dual citizenship negates “natural born”.
SENATOR OBAMA ADMITTED TO BEING BORN WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP. IF HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII THAT MAKES HIM NATIVE BORN/DUAL CITIZENSHIP. HE iS INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT, AS HE DOES NOT MEET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR PRESIDENT PER ARTICLE II OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. TO BE NATURAL BORN MEANS YOUR PARENTS WERE BOTH CITIZENS AT TIME OF CHILD’S BIRTH AND BIRTH OCCURRED IN THE U.S. OR ITS TERRITORY.
Did FactCheck see the long form birth certificate, or is it only making a statement about the COLB?
Hilarious! The alleged "editors" of this fake, on-line-only, faux "newspaper" really did their homework didn't they? I perused this column pretty quickly and didn't see if these "editors" found it curious that Obama and the DNC have spent a small fortune in legal fees to (so far, successfully) make sure that Zero's original birth certificate and other requested documents are NOT turned over to the courts?
Nevermind... I don't really care what these blubbering mice at "Virginia Pilot" think.
dual citizenship doesn’t negate natural born status, I know because I have both and gaining one didn’t have any effect on the other
A FACT is a truth that can be proven.
The testimonial evidence and demonstrative evidence in this particular case is VERY WEAK, and certainly does not prove anything.
When the rats engage in ridicule, the truth isn’t far away.
You’re confusing “native born” with “natural born”. Two foreign nationals who are legal residents can have a baby in this country and register the birth here - that child is a “native born citizen”. However, if both parents are naturalized U.S. citizens and their baby is born here, their child is a “natural born citizen”. This is a fascinating subject and the following site provides a historical perspective with the case of President Chester Arthur.
We’ll see what happens with SCOTUS. The press has erroneously reported that cases concerning Obama’s citizenship have been denied. Donofrio’s case was sent back to New Jersey’s Supreme Court. The only items that have been denied are attempts to “stay” elections with “writs” being maintained. A total of six lawsuits have made it to the Supreme Court so far.
This is a great opportunity for a Supreme Court to rule on a fundamental section of the U.S.Constitution - eligibility requirements for the President and Vice President. I suspect the SC Justices will not let the chance slip away.
Let's see, assuming one's conclusion. The lawsuits are merely seeking confirmation that he is eligible, and that pending that confirmation, the process should be held up.
Any more analysis of this unsigned piece of drivel isn't worth the effort.
Dude, typing in ALL CAPS rarely bolsters your claim. The whole dual citizenship thing has been debunked.
Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
The law is whats on the books now, but the first point has been true since 14th amendment was added. There are only two types of citizen, natural born and naturalized. If you didn’t go through immigration you are natural born. There is no third kind of citizen.
The MSM elected Barry, and now they are desperate to keep the truth about him hidden.
“* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)”
5 years after the age of 14 ( law in effect in 1961 ), and Stanley Ann Obama didn’t qualify. Barry Obama has probably never in his life been a US citizen!
Yes, but if he was born Hawaii he is natural born citizen. The whole “your parents have to be citizens” thing is a complete fabrication. President Chester Arthur was in all likelihood born to a non-citizen father, he still became president.
You are describing “citizens”. “Natural born citizens” is a seperate category. Gov. Arnold Schwarznegger of California is a “citizen” but he is ineligible to be President. And so is Obama.
The 14th Amendment was ratified while Chester Arthur was involved in politics (he became the 21st President, albeit illegally, in 1881). It is because he knew he was ineligible (his father NOT being a naturalized citizen but a foreign national) that he burned all his papers - four trash cans full, according to his grandson.
The Supremes are going to clarify that definition of “natural born citizen”. The opportunity to do so is historic.
Giggle. Fastcheck is only respected by loons.
Therefore all the “dual citizenship” chatter is moot.
If one of your parents is an American citizen, so are you.
Now the “both parents” and the “born in the US or it's territory" is perhaps something to go on.
If Obama releases the document, I will gladly shut up. So, Obama, just shut us up!
Like I've said before, all I think that should be considered natural born is if one parent is a citizen and the child is born on American soil. If Obama can clear that bar, so be it.
But I don't think he can.
Keep it up f*ckt*rds. Do you think we are Europeans, used to kissing the ring of our master?
Have you been to Oregon?
I know what a natural born citizen is, and the link I provided covers every type of natural born citizen.
Supremes are constitutionally forbidden from getting involved in this. Congress counts the electoral votes, and is tasked with making sure the new president qualifies. Alito, Thomas, Scalia, and Robert are strict constructionists, they will not usurp control over elections from Congress. SC can no more disqualify Obama, than it can impeach a sitting president. That power belongs to Congress.
Poof - the eligibility issue will disappear.
Although, I would still like to see the Passport that Obama used to get into Pakistan in 1981, since Americans could not get visas to Pakistan in 1981.
Were these rules in effect when Obama was born August, 1961?
Here's what Wikipedia Says, for what it's worth
This statement:
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five yearsWould seem to make Obama eligible even if he was born outside the U.S.
That is a recent law, it was not in effect before Obama was born. If he was born in Kenya (which is a major IF) he is ineligible to be president of US.
The law at the time Obama was born stated that the US citizen parent had to live in US five years AFTER the age of fourteen. Obama’s mom was 18 I believe, so he doesn’t qualify. However, if he was born in Hawaii, he is natural born citizen, that part has been there since the 14th amendment.
In late January 2009, people will begin filing lawsuits that claim Obama does not have the legal authority to sign legislation, treaties, and Executive Orders.
Lawyers every where will demand to see the vault copy of Obama’s Hawaii Birth Certificate.
At some point, a judge will dismiss a case because Obama’s birth place cannot be verified by the computer generated Certificate of Live Birth released by the Obama campaign.
Surely, Obama knows that one way or another, this issue is going to the Supreme Court.
Why doesn't Obama just release his original Birth Certificate?
Why doesn't the MSM ask him to do that?
What's the big secret?
From the Federalist Blog:
Natural-Born Citizen Defined
One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.
Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.” The first Naturalization Act passed by Congress recognized “natural-born citizens” to be those born beyond the States to resident fathers who were already established citizens of the United States.
The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Separation of powers. However you spin the issue or the lawsuit, you are essentially asking the Supreme Court to check the President Elects (or later the Presidents) qualifications. That is a power reserved by the constitution to Congress which is the body that oversees presidential elections, and makes sure the president is qualified.
Even if every SC justice was 100% on your side, they are powerless to test a Presidents qualifications. Its Congresses job, and the time to do it is when they count electoral votes before declaring the Obama POTUS. Before finalizing the vote they call for objections, one Congressman and one Senator are all that is needed to bring the issue to the floor.
That definition is from the The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, which was in force when Obama was born.
His father was not a US citizen.
His mother was a citizen, but she was only 18 years of age.
Thus, she had not lived in the USA for five years after her 14th birthday, which the Act requires.
If Obama was born outside the USA, then he cannot legally claim to be a natural born US citizen, even though his mother was an American citizen at the time.
Of course, Obama could silence 90% of his critics, like me, if he releases the vault copy of his Hawaii Birth Certificate.
What's the guy got to hide?
I'm not a lawyer, but my point remains.
What is a prosecutor going to do if a judge dismisses a case or a lower appellate court reverses a conviction?
What is the Supreme Court going to say.....
“Go to jail, go to jail, Obama doesn't have to prove he's a natural born citizen.”
That seems unbelievable.
Obama released his BC to Factcheck.org? Ri-ight. And Elvis delivered it. (/sarc)
I am more concerned that our troops abroad will end up being prosecuted because their Commander in Chief cannot issue lawful orders as an usurper.
What confidence will the world have in our currency, treaties, trade agreements, when any thing, any law Obama signs will be subject to being ignored as void?
Seldom has there been a question of the Candidate's citizenship status, and the question has been raised. Releasing the documents and proving he is elegible will keep our troops out of the Hague or worse.
Bill Richardson is on video stating (in Spanish to a foreign audience) that Obama is an “immigrant.”
“Did FactCheck see the long form birth certificate, or is it only making a statement about the COLB? “
I dont know, as I have seen many media/internet outlets confuse the two. Since neither has been produced in a court of law, we, nor the court, knows what the heck they are talking about.
I suspect that someone “in the know” actually knows the difference, but may intentionally be trying to confuse the two, in furtherance of the shell game Mr. “I did not have Relations With That Governor” is playing with his BC.
A) He was referring to the fact that Obama lived in Indonesia.
B) He was referring to the fact that Obama is the son of an immigrant.
C) He knows Obama was born overseas and had a slip.
I believe it was A or B, as well as a cynical attempt to tell Hispanics he is one of them. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, why the heck would he tell it to this schmuck?
Your post is a good illustration of what can be described as scrambling desperately for an excuse.
-Tin foil hat off-
Extremely pure speculation but maybe someone else told him and he is just using this public shot to remind Obama that you are under our thumbs.
If the Clinton machine knew Obama was born in Kenya blackmailing the President is just as good as being the President. Great part is you are shielded from blame since Obama is suppose to “call” the shots. Had candidate Clinton let slip potential damaging info in the primary a revolt from blacks and white guilt effeminate males might have sunk the dems in the general.
-Tin foil hat back on-
Thanks.
willful misinformation by the author——”Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, forged by the state of Hawaii...”
No one has made the claim that Hawaii was the forger, and there are plenty of credible claims that the document posted on Obama’s own “fight the smears” website was a forgery.
So why won’t he release his birth certificate?
McCain released his.
Pretty much sums it up, though.
A claim not supported by any clause in the Constitution or any federal law that I'm aware of. In short, your saying so doesn't make it true.
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