Posted on 12/08/2008 9:09:25 PM PST by GonzoII
Whitman and the other GOP leaders who have made post-election stabs at social and religious conservatives had better start minding their manners. Whatever happened to the "Big Tent"? The Republican Party may find itself hemorrhaging its most zealous constituency....
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Inside Catholic
McCain's reticence on social issues contributed to the fact that 4.1 million religiously active voters did not go to the polls on November 4th. WASHINGTON, D.C. (Inside Catholic) - In an op-ed published after the election, former Governor of New Jersey Christine Todd Whitman wrote, "Unless the Republican Party ends its self-imposed captivity to social fundamentalists, it will spend a long time in the political wilderness."
And who are these "social fundamentalists?" In Whitman's political lexicon, they are "the people who base their votes on such social issues as abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research."
When I read Whitman's column I had three thoughts:
Why is she putting the label "fundamentalist" on fellow Republican voters? Does she know she's also talking about Catholic voters who consider non-negotiable issues before casting their ballot? Is she asking Catholic and Evangelical voters who care deeply about these issues to leave the party and declare themselves independent?
It's remarkable that someone who considers herself a leader in the GOP would go out of her way to antagonize millions of voters who have been dependable Republicans for over three decades.Whitman and the other GOP leaders who have made post-election stabs at social and religious conservatives had better start minding their manners. Whatever happened to the "Big Tent"? The Republican Party may find itself hemorrhaging its most zealous constituency.
Did Gov. Whitman not hear the roar that went through St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center the night Sarah Palin walked out on stage? Here is Whitman's take on Palin: "Her selection cost the ticket support among those moderate voters who saw it as a cynical sop to social fundamentalists, reinforcing the impression that they control the party, with the party's consent."
Gov. Whitman knows very well that the pro-life, anti-gay marriage conservatives don't "control" the party -- such a claim will bring laughs from anyone familiar with the inner workings of the RNC.
Really, Whitman isn't worried about control; she wants an end to the pro-life plank of the party platform. She wants to take the pro-life pressure off GOP candidates, especially on the national ticket. If the GOP abandons its public stance against abortion and gay marriage, she thinks the "moderates" lost to Obama will return.
Whitman's numbers are telling, but they don't actually support her argument. She notes that Kerry won 9% more moderate voters than Bush while Obama stretched that number to 21% against McCain. But if moderates are turned off by "social fundamentalists," why would they have cast 6.4 million more votes for the evangelical George W. Bush? Kerry was just as liberal as Obama on social issues, and mainline Protestant McCain was more reticent than Bush in discussing them.
Whitman doesn't mention what is widely recognized as the major cause of the moderate swing to Obama: the economy. In exit polls, Obama led by nine points among the two-thirds of voters who said the economy was the most serious challenge facing the country. Add to that the increased voter registration and turn-out among Democrats, deep discontent with the GOP, Democrats' targeted appeals to sections of the Republican coalition, and you have the reasons for Obama's victory.
The moderates were not casting ballots against Sarah Palin or the social and religious conservatives she represents --this election was not a referendum on abortion or gay marriage. How could they be when John McCain almost never brought them up?
In reality, McCain's reticence on social issues contributed to the fact that 4.1 million religiously active voters did not go to the polls on Nov. 4. If there is a warning for the GOP from the presidential election results it is this. As Karl Rove noted, "Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant."
If Whitman has her way, something will soon be missing from the entire Republican Party that will keep religious conservatives -- or should I say "social fundamentalists"? -- from serious engagement in GOP politics. Whitman is calling out a potential voting group of 30,000,000 Catholic, Evangelical, Mormon, and Mainline Protestants.
In the final chapter of my recent book, Onward, Christian Soldiers, I posed this question for the future, "Will the Democrats Get Religion, Will the Republicans Keep It?" Obama won, in part, because he successfully courted religious voters -- the Democrats successfully found religion, at least for one election cycle.
Did the GOP lose religion? No. But when over four million religiously active voters stay home there was certainly what Evangelicals call "backsliding." If Gov. Whitman has her way, the GOP will offer voters nothing different from the Democrats on abortion and marriage. If that happens, the Republican Party can wave goodbye to religious conservatives.
Deal W. Hudson is the director of InsideCatholic.com and the author of Onward, Christian Soldiers: The Growing Political Power of Catholics and Evangelicals in the United States (Simon and Schuster).
“If Whitman has her way, something will soon be missing from the entire Republican Party that will keep religious conservatives — or should I say “social fundamentalists”? — from serious engagement in GOP politics. Whitman is calling out a potential voting group of 30,000,000 Catholic, Evangelical, Mormon, and Mainline Protestants.”
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Good point, Deal.
I wouldn’t worry. Whitman, Mark Kirk, Gordon Smith, et al wield little if any influence within the party. Most of the Republican Main Street Partnership is out of office these days, and very few hold positions of leadership within the party. The GOP will remain committed to traditional values, probably now more than ever.
Whitman. Worst. New Jersey. RINO. Governor. Ever.
Deal, the overt leftists in the GOP are not what is destroying it. It is the sellouts who talk a good game - paying constant lip service to conservatism - but who have no intention of ever lifting one finger to actually back up their words with action.
The first group is relatively small. The second group makes up most of the current leadership of the thoroughly Whigified Republican Party.
The key to Obama’s success was that he was able to appeal to BOTH moderates and hard line lefties. I am wondering if somebody like that exists in the GOP, someone to unite social, economic, foreign policy, and moderate conservatives. There is no real reason why a candidate cant appeal to both the James Dobson and Ron Paul demographics as well as all the moderates in between.
“The GOP will remain committed to traditional values, probably now more than ever.”
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I hope you are prophet.
I remember that Christine Whitman ran for the Senate in 2000, but dropped out. Had she stayed in the race and won, her views might have credibility. But she hasn’t won a race in over 10 years, and she never won by much.
I saw let her have her say, but don’t pay it heed.
No prophet, but I’m pretty sure about this. Granted there will always be moderates that stray off the reservation, but the GOP as a party will continue to be the party of traditional values.
“Obviously catholics don’t give a damn about pro life issues with 58% of the catholic vote going to Obama.”
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Well, I like to think positive sometimes, 42% do.
There must be some reason why New Jersey is the only state where the majority of the people in a poll indicated that they would rather live somewhere else. Not exactly where the Republicans should be looking for leadership.
There must be some reason why New Jersey is the only state where the majority of the people in a poll indicated that they would rather live somewhere else. Not exactly where the Republicans should be looking for leadership.
Not only that, she’s never won a majority of the vote. She destroyed the NJ GOP, reducing it from majority status and putting liberal hacks on the court. It was her appointees that approved the Torricelli switcheroo, a blatant violation of the NJ Constitution.
Thr Republicans lost because they stood for nothing. The republican Party has been kissing the Democrat’s amd “moderate’s” asses for 8 years. A moderate is another word for cowar. They do not stand for anything nor do they oppose anything. Every time the voters have to choose between a real Democrat or a Democrat lite they choose the real Democrat. When given a choice between a real Democrat or a Conservative Republican, the Conservative Republican usually wins.
The only reason Mc Cain was not completely shut out was yjat he choose Palin as his running mate.
Actually 100% of Christians do. There are many lukewarm, double minded, pew warming, pretenders in all denominations.
Amazing how this can be said when Repubs stood stalwartly for the WOT again and again despite vicious opposition.
They better, because they will never out-liberal the liberals.
This one did. Don’t generalize, please.
Good point...The Republicans have been good on security but on most other issues have been wobbling and caving in for several yrs. Too many were willing to compromise.
Maybe we will see a rebirth of the party.
The “social conservatives” have brought the new environmentalism to the party. It conflicts with small or limited government conservative’s concern over the protection of private property right. Some things have to be left at the door if they want to share the big tent.
hate her now. Thanks for the post.
I didn’t generalize. I was talking about the 58% who voted for Obama.
"Amazing how this can be said when Repubs stood stalwartly for the WOT again and again despite vicious opposition."
Considering there is another viewpoint, often held by conservatives, that the WOT is not a peg they want to hang their hat on.
Also, considering that a majority of people in this country opposed the WOT, and in fact, nearly everything else G.W.Bush got behind, it was simply not smart, politically, to claim those issues as campaign points.
-- Easy now.
“new environmentalism”
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School me, Marsh?
Regardless, the point was made there is no difference between the parties.
The Repub's stance on the WOT shows there is a stark difference in this area. The Republican party is still the party that wants to defend America.
Conservation has been around for a long time. It involves the management of game animals, the improvement of habitat through voluntary programs (such as Rocky Mountain Elk or installing bat houses.) Good stuff.
The new environmentalism uses the Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act (salmon,) Northwest Forest Plan and the like to avoid Fifth Amendment Takings, place “Community NGOs” in charge of management of natural resources and undermines the bundle of sticks that are property rights - such as exclusive use, enjoyment and disposal. You will find many agriculturalists in rural areas who have suffered under the tyranny of these draconian laws are limited government folk.
For instance, Water use right holders who have owned that property (which dates back to the 1850s) suddenly have their water reallocated to instream needs of fish for connectivity or temperature. It is all part of the Public Trust incumbent upon land owners. There is no due process, no just compensation. Now you have it, now you don’t. Self appointed non-profit watershed groups are funded by the state to create land and timber management plans without even having the landowners at the table.
For a good insight, look at the new Delta Plan created by visioning and consensus.
Many of the Christian denominations have bought into this European socialistic stuff under “stewardship of the planet.” The Catholics and Presbyterians and now the Fundamentalists are going that way. It ends up being in the Republican platform alienating the limited government branch of the party.
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Well, I'm for reasonable conservation, -common sense stuff.
Look, if level headed scientists can prove, with decent evidence, that there is a real danger to the environment regarding whatever type of man-made product, than we should take a look at it.
This global warming thing is garbage, IMHO.
And what ticks me off is that a burden is placed on folks because of it.
Thanks for the reply, and don't put us religious folks in the same basket, we have different views on these matters.
Take care,
Gonzo
Oh she was gonna run for Senate again? Pulled a Rudy?
I think she was worse than Weld. It’s not your party too Christine, we don’t want you. It’s a joke to talk up the electability of your sort when you barley beat Florio (should have been a landslide) and McCreepy.
Someone halfway decent needs to dispense with that scumcuker Corzine of the toilet approval ratings. The Garden state hasn’t had a good Governor since.....uh. Like in Illinois it seems to be a contest to see who can be the worst.
I still think Weld edges Whitman for being worse. NJ seems to hold the record for being the state to go the longest without electing an actual Conservative Governor, not since Democrat Charles Edison in 1940 (future co-founder of the NY Conservative Party), although even Edison was a smidge tainted because he had to deal with Boss Hague in Jersey City. He beat the liberal Republican Robert C. Hendrickson, the future Senator.
Whitman was looked upon back in the early ‘90s as a strong candidate for Governor solely upon her nearly taking out Bradley in ‘90 (Bradley being caught up in the unpopularity of Florio). Whitman didn’t have clear sailing to the ‘93 Gubernatorial nomination, as she had to beat Thomas Kean’s Attorney General, Cary Edwards. But from what I could gather, Edwards was just as much a RINO (I’m pinging Clemenza, he can tell me if I’m mistaken). She beat Edwards, 40-33%. There was a 3rd major candidate, a former State Senator and Gubernatorial candidate named James Wallwork who took a respectable 24%, but I know little about him.
Presbyterian environmental and social justice
http://www.pcusa.org/environment/
Catholic Environmental Justice http://conservation.catholic.org/background.htm
http://itrs.scu.edu/kwarner/EJresources.htm
Christian http://www.christianecology.org/Stewardship.html
Other religions (PEW study) http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=121
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