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Obama birth battle goes to Supreme Court
Chicago Times ^ | December 7, 2008 | Tim Jones

Posted on 12/07/2008 6:36:30 PM PST by Red Steel

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To: billorites

Oh, I guess everything is okay then...

They have a “voucher”


61 posted on 12/07/2008 7:15:25 PM PST by LeoOshkosh (Crazy Leo is right again)
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To: proxy_user

“I am beginning to suspect Obama is a natural-born citizen, and that his birth certificate will confirm this....but it will reveal something else Obama doesn’t want known.

That is the only possible explanation.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why is that? Do you really think he would spend upwards of $800,000 to cover up a small embarrassment? There is absolutely no proof that he’s natural born.


62 posted on 12/07/2008 7:15:57 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: Cheerio
BINGO - the thing that separates CONSERVATIVES from the moronic lefties who can only think with the hearts. Brains are disconnected totally in the left side.

I think you have a point. Here is one of the comments (out of 2) after the article:

Monty on December 7, 2008 8:44 PM
These idiots really need to get a life. They waste money and promote themselves as the saviors of what! We need a new leader and we now have one, thank God! These people just need to disappear from the face of the earth. Maybe they can be on the first manned flight to Mars. I think that is next week flight!!!!!

I suspect this is one of the "moronic lefties" you are talking about.

63 posted on 12/07/2008 7:16:09 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Cicero

It is not an anonymous source. It is the spokeperson for the Dept.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html


64 posted on 12/07/2008 7:16:40 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Wil H

I agree with your assessment of the revelation by Janice.

We will assume for now that the Tribune is telling the truth.

Is Janice a Democrat. Has she seen the birth certificate?

She is putting words into the Director’s mouth.


65 posted on 12/07/2008 7:18:38 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
OK, that's interesting, but still not conclusive, IMHO.

Q: Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

A: "Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

Actually, it's not what Dr. Fukino is on the record as saying. But you are right, Janice Okubo is the official mentioned in Fukino's statement as the contact person.

It's very odd, though, that she phrases it in a misleading way, since that is NOT what Fukino said, and Okubo does not claim to be saying it from her own knowledge. But it's certainly a straw in the other direction.

66 posted on 12/07/2008 7:24:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RummyChick
Hawaii put out a press release that doesn't say that Obama was born in Hawaii. All they said is that they have one on record. It's suspect because Hawaii once issued birth certificates to foreign born babies.

This looks like the Tribune is playing games. "Yes" ; Okubo vouching for Fukino. And the Tribune put this out on their blog the Swamp?

It doesn't look like they have much confidence in this story.

67 posted on 12/07/2008 7:27:33 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Cicero

This article came out before the election. I hadn’t heard of this article until “curiousity” posted it.


68 posted on 12/07/2008 7:29:01 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: MHGinTN

Obama is Not a natural born citizen because his father was a foreigner and his mother was under 19 years old when he was born, nNo Matter Where He Was Born. Case closed.

Now, the Supreme Court has to decide whether Biden or McCain will become president. I vote for McCain, with Palin as his VP.


69 posted on 12/07/2008 7:31:09 PM PST by FFranco
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To: rlmorel
Journalist's attempts to correct misinformation = spin doctoring

The MSM is hoping the dumbed down general public is too stupid to figure it out. Thanks to the public fool system, that's still possible.

70 posted on 12/07/2008 7:32:24 PM PST by America2012
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To: America2012

I couldn’t agree more.


71 posted on 12/07/2008 7:33:13 PM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: billorites
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

............

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
72 posted on 12/07/2008 7:39:06 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: FFranco
I've been listening to Donofrio's radio interviews and according to him BOTH Obama and McCain are not qualified to take the oath; Obama because of his "dual citizenship" at birth and McCain due to being born in Panama despite having two U.S. Citizen parents.

In that case, both the Democratic and Republican tickets from 2008 would be invalidated which would also disqualify Joe Biden and Sarah Palin from being selected as President by Congress.

On Janurary 20th, when President Bush leaves office, the 25th Amendment goes into effect and the vacant office of President is taken over by his Vice President;

Dick Cheney.

73 posted on 12/07/2008 7:43:07 PM PST by America2012
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To: Nipfan

There is actually evidence that he is not natural born, by his own admission of dual citizenship at birth!


74 posted on 12/07/2008 7:43:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: jackofhearts

Why don’t they ask Obama directly? He was on the news tonight talking to an audience.

The more I read about this, the more concerned I am becoming about what kind of precedent it will set if he is allowed to not show the B.C. One lawyer suggested that Arnold could simply say he is not foreign-born and refuse to show documentation. Now, that wouldn’t work for him, as he is so well known, but it might work for someone newer to the political scene.

I understand that we must respect the outcome of the election and preserve the electoral process, but this natural born citizen issue needs to be defined and enforced in all future elections. I had no idea that a foreign-born American was on the ballot in N.J. and likely other states. Incrementalism, folks!!!

WHO ARE THE WACKOS? I say it is those people who will not consider the wider, very serious implications of this issue. It is possible to respect the electoral results and be concerned about this at the same time.


75 posted on 12/07/2008 7:45:33 PM PST by OneTimeComment (I)
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To: America2012

Oh how I wish that man could be on record as being President, even if for only a month or two whiel the mess is sorted out! Dick Cheney is a man who loves this nation so much that he has given much of his life to Her.


76 posted on 12/07/2008 7:51:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: RummyChick

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”


I don’t believe it. If it means he was born in Hawaii, why didn’t Dr. Fukino say that? That is Not what Dr. Fukino said. I doubt I will believe an actual Obama birth certificate now if he produces one after his current visit to Hawaii.

It would be too easy for someone like Obama, with huge monetary resources, to have a fraudulent birth certificate forged. But this time, I am sure, he will do a better job than he did with the so-called certificate of live birth.


77 posted on 12/07/2008 7:52:27 PM PST by FFranco
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To: FFranco
The provision requiring the mother to have spent 5 years in the US after age 14 (i.e., the provision requiring the mother to be at least 19 years old) in order to pass on citizenship applies only if Obama was born outside of the country. If Obama was born in Hawaii (as I believe he was), then he was most certainly a citizen at birth.

Whether his father's British citizenship precludes Obama from being a "natural born citizen" is a different question (I believe it does not - it seems unlikely that the framers of the Constitution would want one's eligibility for the presidency to depend, in any way, on a foreign country's law). I'm just pointing out that Obama's mother's age has nothing to do with his citizenship if he was born in the US.

78 posted on 12/07/2008 7:54:16 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Red Steel

IIRC Berg has now added an affidavit from the DR who delivered him, in Mombasa, Kenya.....Haven’t confirmed it myself. If you find confirmation please let me know.


79 posted on 12/07/2008 8:01:32 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Red Steel
"There is less of a sense that we all have a common set of facts we can agree on. There's a polarization and we can't even agree on the basic factual assumptions to have a debate."

This is because of the leftward tilt of the media. We can't trust them, because they wouldn't have reported this mess if it weren't for the Internet. It will be interesting to see if Fox does anything on this story tomorrow.
80 posted on 12/07/2008 8:08:08 PM PST by malkee
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