Posted on 12/07/2008 11:14:58 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
Ho, ho, ho.
Dragging in French Swiss legal theorist as if his opinion has some applicability to American law! (See my tagline.)
Vattel is recounting civil or Roman law, which forms the basis of the Napoleonic code and that of most European countries. Under this law system citizenship is a matter of inheritance, not birth.
The law codes of the US are based on English common law. Blackstone is the great commentator there, and he disagrees flatly with Vattel.
The Supreme Court, in several decisions, considered and rejected Vattel’s civil law basis for determining citizenship and adopted Blackstone’s common law approach. This is especially so since the adoption of the 14th amendment.
So far, I’ve posted opinions from US attorneys general and decisions of the Supreme Court. You’ve posted comments in letters from Founders and commentary from obscure foreign legal philosophers.
You need to find some more effective ammo, dude.
BTW, it sounds like our present Supreme Court agrees with me. They don’t see a legal issue in this case.
There are a good number here who are so emotionally involved on this issue that they’re unable to see the facts clearly.
They somehow think the intensity of their emotion translates into greater evidence for their position. This is a perspective that is practically a prerequisite for liberals, but conservatives are not immune by any means. In fact, I don’t think any of us are immune.
This issue is apparently an unusually hot one. People here can generally discuss most issues without such rancor. The only other issue I’ve routinely seen such anger about are those involving the War Between the States. And then most of it comes from a few die-hard south-will-rise-again types.
Don’t give up on FR. Most of us are pretty decent types, most of the time.
Thank you for correcting me on that. I was misinformed and did not take time to verify.
You’re simply uninformed.
Dual citizens cannot serve as president.
Below is update from Leo’s web site. Leo and Cort are going to be on Plains this evening beginning at 8:00. The Freeper Joe Thunder will be on Lan Lamphere at 10:30.
WROTNOWSKI APPLICATION REFERRED TO FULL COURT BY JUSTICE SCALIA - DISTRIBUTED FOR CONFERENCE ON DEC 12 - SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF TO BE SUBMITTED TOMORROW
Posted in Uncategorized on December 8, 2008 by naturalborncitizen
PRESS RELEASE: 12.08.08 7:20 pm
Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency application for a stay and/or injunction as to the Electoral College meeting on Dec. 15 was today referred to the full Court by the Honorable Associate Justice Anotonin Scalia. It has been distributed for Conference of Friday December 12. The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.
The Wrotnowski Supreme Court application was prepared by Leo Donofrio, Esq. and is centered on the same issue from Donofrio’s case which was discussed by the Supreme Court in its conference of December 5 - whether Barack Obama is not eligible to the office of President due to the fact that he was a British citizen at the time of his birth.
Tomorrow, Dec. 9 - Cort Wrotnowski will submit a supplemental brief concerning the newly discovered ineligibility of twenty-first President Chester Arthur due to his having been born as a British subject. This is relevant to the case at hand in that Justice Gray - who wrote the seminal opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Arc - was appointed by Chester Arthur.
The Wong Kim Arc case involves an important historical opinion that SCOTUS justices will certainly consider as to the Obama natural born citizen issue.
The recent discovery calls into question the motivations of both Arthur and Gray since Arthur’s father was a British subject not naturalized at the time of Chester’s birth. In fact, William Arthur was not naturalized until 1843, fourteen years after Chester was born. In the light of historical retrospection, Justice Gray’s decision in Wong Kim Arc seems tailor made to the circumstances of Arthur’s birth.
Chester Arthur was born in 1829. The 14th Amendment wasn’t ratified until 1868, and Wong Kim Arc was decided in 1898. But under United States law in 1829 it’s not clear that Arthur would have even been considered a United States citizen at the time of his birth, let alone a “natural born citizen” eligible to be President. At best, he would have been a dual citizen of Great Britain and the United States.
It was proved earlier this week, by various articles in the Brooklyn Eagle printed circa 1880, and other authorities, that when Arthur was on the campaign trail as Garfield’s running mate he lied many times about his father’s emigration record, his parents’ life in Canada before coming to the United States, and his father’s age. Chester also burned his papers and falsified his birth year. It appears now that he was doing so to conceal the POTUS eligibility issue.
Every other President (who didn’t become eligible under the Article 2, Section 1 grandfather clause) was born to American citizen parents in the United States. The fact that he was a British subject at birth was first reported on Friday Dec. 5.
It must now be questioned whether the relationship between Chester Arthur and Justice Gray was influenced by Arthur’s eligibility problems and whether those issues effected Gray’s opinion and vote in Wong Kim Arc.
It must also be considered that the integrity of Justice Gray’s SCOTUS appointment might have been called into question if Chester Arthur’s POTUS ineligibility issues had become known.
All of the above is relevant to the issue of whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen in that the core Supreme Court opinion in Wong Kim Arc must now be re-evaluated in lieu of the fact that the Justice who wrote the opinion was appointed by Chester Arthur.
Leo Donofrio will accompany Cort Wrotnowski to Washington D.C. tomorrow and both will be available for comment at 11:00 AM on the steps of the Supreme Court. This is not a rally, protest or vigil. If the media would like to discuss this historical brief and the issues discussed above, Donofrio and Wrotnowski will be available to answer any questions thereto.
Leo C. Donofrio, Esq.
Cort Wrotnowski
Evidently you think this is some kind of childish game.
I do not.
Your obfuscation and denial is more akin to Obama and his minions than that of a patriot. There is nothing wrong with an argument, provided it is done in a constructive manner. I would be happy to argue any substantive and pertinent points you wish to make within the context of our respective references.
That said, having now reviewed additional posts by you it is fairly clear that your sole objective is to attempt to deride persons who are supportive of the Obama eligibilty issue. Therefore, it is unlikely that I will find much time to engage in any further communication with an Obama sycophant such as yourself.
BTW, it sounds like our present Supreme Court agrees with me. They don’t see a legal issue in this case.
BTW, why did SCOTUS distribute the Wrotnowski application (basically the identical case) to conference? Given your comment, clearly you do not know. It requires a basic understanding of legal procedure.
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Bookmark Leo Donofrio’s web site below and read all his information. Please check back for updates often. Leo is working with Cort on his case in Conference for Friday.Justice Scalia referred Cort’s case for Friday 12/12 Conference which is EARLIER than it would have normally gone to Conference. Might be a good sign.:)
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
This is not over yet. Visit Freeper Joe Thunder’s web site and read about the Press Conference that he has on tape and will post tomorrow. The room was FULL of MSM but you won’t see it on TV!
http://freedommarch.org/Home_Page.html
Thank you seekthetruth. Please continue to inform and educate the masses. The cause is worthy, as you well know.
Just lost Plains Radio on line. Maybe overload or something went wrong. Keep getting timed out signal. :(
I’ve lost it too.
Gone here as well. Total silence.
Back on.
Back out and renter site.
“re-enter”
Actually, I was being snotty and I apologize. I thought the governor was a Democrat at first too. Another poster told me in a much nicer way. Mea culpa Mea Culpa.
People keep posting this claim, but no one has been able to provide any COTUS, Federal law or case law support for this notion.
Its in the constitution, and has been quoted hundreds of times.
Then, please, humor me and re-post it.
No I don’t.
The fact you are ignoring is that there is no mechanism other than public opinion and the mass media to compel a candidate to provide such information.
The public did not really care about this issue, perhaps mostly because it wasn’t covered by the press in a fair way.
If you think candidates should be compelled to prove they are qualified, perhaps you should work towards putting in place a mechanism by which they present such evidence before starting their campaign.
If you have not read the latest information at the web site of Leo Donofrio, please do. Leo talks about the media lies in their few reports concerning the cases before the SCOTUS. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Then please take 90 minutes sometime soon to listen to the video at this link below. At the link click on the video on the left titled: “WTP Obama Citizenship Challenge - National Press Club”. Information the media won’t report.
Also go to Freeper Joe Thunder’s web site FreedomMarch.org and read other information on the cases before the courts.
Joe’s program on Plains Radio this evening 12/11 at 9:00PM Eastern will be an update on things going on the media won’t report.
http://freedommarch.org/Home_Page.html
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