Posted on 12/05/2008 7:42:30 PM PST by Maelstorm
The recount has swung back and forth between the two men, with batches of uncounted ballots being discovered here and there as well as clerical errors changing the totals.
With the recount virtually complete on Friday, Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie said Coleman led Franken by 787 votes. Local newspapers put Coleman's margin at about 200 votes, tallying ballots that had previously been challenged.
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This is the sort of thing they will HAVE to do if they are to have a chance in hell of surviving beyond this election. Glad to see that Coleman might prevail in this contest.
Good deal on Coleman beating the commie class clown, MSM is crap these days ....Today I read OJ got 6 , 15 and 33 years . As well as this MSM fiasco. Been a 22 vote 200 vote and now 787 ?
Man I hate the MSM and their disinformational agenda driven BS !
Just my opinion of course....
I watched the sentencing and I believe it was 16 years with parole possible after 5.
Oh yeah I finally got the number right but after seeing a gazillion different versions.....an now it seems the story is off the front pages altogether.....:o)
Good news on this Franken whuppin.....
It looks promising.
I expect more shenanigans from the venal Smalley. He and his goons have no conscience.
This is so utterly bogus. I've worked as an election judge in Minnesota in four elections and three precincts. The ONLY way there can BE uncounted ballots to be "discovered" is if they are arranged in advance to be "discovered" in the event of a close election.
"Discovered" uncounted ballots should NEVER be counted for any reason. They are outside the process that makes them valid, and are so every step of the way.
As to asigning them to specific "disenfranchised" voters, again, that's impossible as properly handled ballots are absolutely anonymous, even absentee ballots.
Yes they will and they will have to do another thing. Learn how to hold press conferences denouncing liberal Democrats and their allies. Republicans need to run down the Democrat brand. I’ve never understood the incapability of the GOP to call the Democrats to the mat effectively for being not just anti-war but anti-troops, not just being pro helping the poor but anti-business which makes more people poor, not just being pro environment but anti humanity, I could go on the rabid liberalism is on display every time the ACLU tries to take down a cross or a nativity scene yet does the GOP call the group out for what it is which is a front group for the Democrat party liberals? No instead they fell into the mode of taking a beating. George Bush took a beating and look at where it left him and his administration. He should have been able to use 9-11 to destory the left instead he has made them stronger than they have ever been.
*Just my opinion of course....*
Well, your opinion is right on.
Excellent! Well said, and right on the money. Speaking of money, GOP cowardice caused me to close my checkbook over two years ago. I've been throwing away unopened solicitations from every Republican group under the sun - - about two per week - - since then. I was surprised to still get my White House Christmas card earlier this week.
thanks..... I can understand if it was three days of stories as the news changes yet. This is getting to the point ya can only come to a place like FR to get the pros, the cons , the facts and the rumors spelled out clear for the readers.
Thankful for FR....donate if ya can !
Stay safe Troop !
I don’t put anything past them but they no longer have what they hoped to get in their sights which was a 60 vote majority. Truthfully I don’t think Harry Reid or the Democrat Senate wants that clown. Sure they would’ve taken him but now it really doesn’t matter. The GOP and McCain should actively work to sway Lieberman. Also they should target the few conservative Democrat members to use them as a wedge. Also they should put pressure on liberal Senators who serve in conservative states. The least it can do is weaken them in the eyes of their electorate. We need to start having a long term view, every day is election day and every liberal a walking target. Hit them ceaselessly, generate negative press about them, attack them.
Also use one simple mantra during this economic crisis. Hasn’t government spent enough already? Isn’t time to stop the bleeding? Put the government on trial and all its programs. This time more than any other people are receptive to the idea that enough is enough and it is time to take the pocket book away from the congress and the President. We need to draft a constitutional ammendment limiting taxation and spending by government officials and reforming the tax code permanently. Even if it goes no where it can set the tone. The public doesn’t seriously think the government spending trillions of more dollars is going to fix the current economic problems. People expect to sacrifice and most of those I know would rather get the pain over and done with rather than dragging it out trying to save the butts of the legions of irresponsible in government, in business, and among a portion of the citizenry who have behaved irresponsibly.
Enough is enough. Susan Powter had it right “Stop the Insanity!”
We’ve become a banana republic, where elections don’t depend on the vote, they depend on the biased courts.
Thank you Al Gore, you schmuck (I hope you read FR.)
By the way, when is the Nobel society going to rescind your Nobel Prize...global warming has been proven false.
In the past, it was almost impossible for a Pubbie to get the air time to “run down the democrat brand” because the LSM would not air it. Now, the internet allows Pubbies to put such press conferences and other content on a medium that circumvents the LSM. Pubbies need to master the internet and craft well-thought viral videos.
Why are we getting these daily reports of Franken by 20, by 4 etc.?
It is just horrible. It is like going hunting and having a field full of deer and just being unable to aim and fire. I get sick sometimes. I like people like Sean Hannity and Rush but even they don’t seem to know how to really go on the attack anymore. Limbaugh used to be highly effective at wrapping and packing Democrats now he seems more interested in golf. Seldom do we have the hard hitting piercing parody and satire that made him great.
All I know is I see the party spending millions of dollars in highly ineffective ways. This election I signed up for the Obama and Clinton campaigns email so that I would know what they were up to. I got at least 4 times as many emails from the Obama campaign than McCain’s. Some weeks I got more emails from the defunct Clinton campaign trying to collect money to pay down her campaign debt. I didn’t get one call about volunteering even after signing up for the McCain campaign. I did get email responses after emailing people directly. I spent a lot of time going door to door but not because the campaign was aggressive at getting me to do it. The Obama folks called me once a week trying to get me to go door to door for them. I’ll tell you how bad it was. I had me and my kids one Saturday, that is all. I took them door to door with my little guys in a stroller. The Obama campaign had dozens of people show up to volunteer in an area where they had no chance of doing very well but in the end they did well enough.
I don’t even believe that giving the national party money is the right idea. I think we need to invest our money in independent PACs. We really need separate organizations that will do the job our national party is not doing. We didn’t even compete in the Senate races and the sad thing is that they never even tried. I think I got one email from the Senatorial committee after donating. If you can’t even leverage your allies how in the hell can you defeat an enemy?
It is a mind game. The only count that really matters is the Sec State results. The media wants Franken to win and are trying to set the stage for it.
Anyone care to speculate as to the cause of the wide discrepancy? (Wide for this race, that is.)
Let me be the first to guess. Liberal bias MSM?
I saw Coleman leads by 787 votes, that caught my eye as well. Since the recount began never had the "reported" margin been that high.
Par for the course for the DDM (Dying Dinosaur Media).
They need to master simple things like email and telephones. Try the simple thing of calling out people to volunteer that sign up. Try emailing people who say they want to help and asking for cash. Try not talking as if you are not even trying to compete in races. The Democrat brand should be dirt for all the things that party stands for. We need an ongoing onslaught. There is no reason why the election has to end on election day. Issue ads should be run to circumvent the media.
A note should be taken from T Boone Pickens, get the ideas out there any way you can. I’m sure everyone has seen those windmill commercials.
I believe the 192 is closer to being correct. That newspaper uses the precincts that have been recounted but leaves the old number in for precincts that have not been officially recounted.
The state number is complete except for one precincts and that precinct is not in the numbers at all. It's obviously a Franken precinct so the race will tighten up when it is official.
That is the precinct with the missing ballots.
Thank God that unfunny clown is losing but tell me why MN takes this long to count the votes? Are they coming by horse and wagon, by dog sled, by stagecoach? What is wrong with you people?
I heard a great interview with Burton W. Folsom, Jr., who wrote New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America. Misty-eyed lefties hold up FDR as the great savior, like Moses parting the Red Sea and leading the Israelites out of desert bondage. He contends, with compelling data, that nothing could be further from the truth, and that FDR's policies only deepened and lengthened the Great Depression, and his trampling of civil liberties was unprecedented. Reid, Pelosi and Chairman 0 seem to be champing at the bit to reincarnate FDR.
Any renaissance the GOP may aspire to must start with bold, loud, unambiguous leadership. Cantor? Steele? Pence? Palin? Not sure, but it needs to start now, with ideas, education, articulation, passion, and then translating those principles into actual policy. Another Contract With America.
Liberalism is a safe default position. It’ simple, it seems warm, fuzzy and compassionate (no matter how destructive). Save the planet, feed the hungry, tax the evil profiteers, spread the wealth, hope and change, for the children. Tailor made for an ignorant, uninformed, sedated populous. Conservatism needs to be taught and understood, liberalism merely needs to be “felt”.
We've got our work cut out for us.
Now, somebody needs to tell Franken to STFU and go away.
Notice how often they’re found in car trunks, and how often they overwhelmingly favor Democrats? You’re right, the chain of custody has been violated, and the ballots should be disqualified.
“Liberalism is a safe default position. It’ simple, it seems warm, fuzzy and compassionate (no matter how destructive). Save the planet, feed the hungry, tax the evil profiteers, spread the wealth, hope and change, for the children. Tailor made for an ignorant, uninformed, sedated populous. Conservatism needs to be taught and understood, liberalism merely needs to be “felt”.”
Well said, my friend.
boycott the MSM, to include; NBC, CBS, ABC, MSLSD, CNNs.
If enough conservatives and Republicans did that-it would
make a difference.
Sadly-most folks care more about catching Survivor than
about the state of their country.
Yes, McCain was one of the worse choses. I was a Fred guy...although I even saw some flaws in him. I think we have to become the perceived intellectual party.
The medical care issue will be a HUGE issue in the next few years, and if the left looks to be the smart party....we’ll see a huge shrink in the military budget (via demands of leftist policy). Issues like that MUST be addressed!
And done in a way that people see the obvious value in ‘our way’.
Back in 1992 I went to our local county seat (Doylestown, Bucks County) and visited the Republican and Democrat campaign offices there to pick up some campaign paraphenalia for my son’s elementary school class. Buttons, posters, bumper stickers, that sort of thing.
I walked into the GOP office and it was as nice as you can imagine, like walking into the Waldorf. Cherry furniture, custom drapes, padded wall-to-wall carpet, and a young man in a suit behind a reception counter. He was very cordial and helpful and was happy to give me some campaign stuff that he had on the shelves. I was the only other person in the place, at least as far as I could tell.
Then I went to the Democrat office a few blocks away. It was a rented storefront, disorganized, and kind of a dump. But the place was a freaking beehive of activity and enthusiasm. Everybody was on their feet, and the phones were ringing off the hook. The campaign workers were in jeans and shirts and they almost looked out of breath. I picked out one busy guy who looked like he worked there and I asked him about getting some buttons and bumper stickers. He glanced around, looked in a few drawers, scooted from a metal desk to a file cabinet and back to another desk, and finally handed me a nice pile of campaign stuff, with a smile. Then back to work he went.
I walked out of that Democrat campaign office on that day in early October of 1992 and there was not a doubt in my mind that Bill Clinton would win the election.
I suspect a similar feeling nagged at you this year.
Good point you make and I do such !!
....haven’t watched the news shy of RSS feeds on my Blackberry , listening to AM talk radio when cruising the highway & here at FR ......
I vote with my dollars by finding out WHO is profiting from what I spend . Not just the MSM....all sponsors of sedition are outed and do not get my funds or my time.
They get nothing but trouble from me !
I’ve thought about it since the last post and I believe the SOS is the official site. He announced the recount is over and had Coleman +687. Now even if he’s in error and that one batch of “missing ballots” is eventually counted, we know that that batch would only give Franken a net gain of 37, give or take a couple. That still would give Coleman a lead of about 650 going into the challenged ballots phase, and the +650 would seem statistically almost impossible to be overcome.
Thank goodness!
If you look at the Secretary of State site and do the arithmetic, you will see that Reuters made an error of 100 in Coleman's favor. The lead for Coleman, according to the SOS, is 687.
**they haven’t backed down and have went head to head with Franken’s thugs.**
AND — they haven’t been whiny like Franken has been, crying to Reid, for Pete’s sake.
But, but the DDM is always right.
I guess we need to support the Pacs ALL thru the year if we can...so they can have a nice stockpile.....
we have to remember about this election is that zero had ALL The money and the media and the right timing in a bad economy....he should have won no matter what.....but Sarah really did put a little scare in him and the media didn't she....
after all is said and done, nearly 60,000,000 people voted against the zero..
The source of the discrepency between the SOS site and the Star Tribune site is that while the SOS does not include any tallies from that Dinkytown precinct, the Star Tribine includes the original tally. Therefore, the real recount margin is undoubtedly much closer to Coleman +192, pending adjustments that might be made as a result of the Dinkytown precinct recount.
BTW, the "lost ballots" have not been found despite a very thorough search of the premises where they were believed to have been "lost", and the Dem bureaucrat in charge there seems to have given up the pursuit. Since the "lost ballots" were included in the original tally, It would seem as if they are included in the Star Tribune tally. So if they are not "found" for the recount, it seems as if Franken will lose a net of 37 votes from the recount tally, which would put Coleman at about +229 when the recount tally is complete.
All this confusion seemed to have arisen because the SOS proclaimed the recount at the precincts over, while the SOS site did not include the tally from the one problem precinct.
Thanks, let’s hope Coleman continues to hold on.
What do you make of that?
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