Posted on 12/05/2008 6:56:38 AM PST by Born Conservative
Advocacy group would help Lebanon County fight gun-toting mom
LEBANON (PA)- The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence has offered free legal representation to Lebanon County to defend against a $1 million lawsuit brought by Meleanie Hain.
Hain is the Lebanon woman who wore a loaded gun on her hip to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game in September, raising concerns of other parents. Lebanon County Sheriff Michael DeLeo revoked her license to carry a concealed weapon, but his decision was reversed by Lebanon County Court Judge Robert Eby.
The case has drawn national attention.
Hain sued DeLeo, the sheriff's office and the county on Nov. 24 for reimbursement of attorney's fees, lost wages and emotional distress. Her attorney, Matthew Weisberg of the Philadelphia area, said Hain's baby-sitting business fell off after the publicity and she has been ridiculed by her neighbors.
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If it is a concealed permit, why did she wear it on her hip?
I am not afraid of those that strap guns to their hips, it those that hide their weapons parents should be wary of.
With any luck, she’ll wind up owning Lebanon County, PA ...
Too bad we cannot prosecute the Brady Group for being the criminal organization that it is.
“If it is a concealed permit, why did she wear it on her hip?”
Does this concealed Glock make my butt look big? Who knows “why” but it doesn’t really matter.
Because she has the right to openly carry a fire arm like we all do.
As has been said here before: a permit to carry concealed does not REQUIRE one to carry concealed.
There IS no permit required to open-carry in PA. She violated NO law whatsoever. Her CCW permit status NEVER even should have entered into the “controversy”.
THAT is the basis for her law suit.
Have to go off to do some searching now...
I wonder what made them think a gun-toting woman was going to shrink from a fight with those prissys on the sideline....
This is an example of bad law, and bad compliance. If the young lady had a permit to carry concealed, she should have carried concealed. The sheep just want to graze. They most definitely DO NOT want to know that the sheep dog is there, nor do they even want to see the sheepdogs tools.
Don’t believe PA is an open carry state, so she might get cited for the disturbance part, but the rest of it...the courts should just throw out, pay off the suit, and let her get on with her life.
“...infringements...we don’t need no steenkeeng infringements...”
NO State or City or Judge has the authority to override the Constitution.
A loaded gun? Of course! Why would you carry an unloaded gun? Dangerous and foolish I’d think.
True....unfortunately the gun control extremists tend to ignore the Constitution...and never seem to get bothered much when a criminal uses a firearm illegally
Hasn’t Sarah Brady made enough money off of her husbands injury from almost three decade ago?
Just asking...
Duh, that’s what I get for multitasking ;)
Give her five dollars and tell her to grow a brain.
“Matthew Weisberg of the Philadelphia area, said Hain’s baby-sitting business fell off after the publicity and she has been ridiculed by her neighbors.”
If she carries a loaded gun in plain view and potentially accessible to small kids, she wouldn’t be babysitting my children.
While she shouldn’t have been arrested or charged or whatever, she either showed really bad judgment or was looking for a confrontation of some sort. In Virginia, you can carry a weapon in plain view, but where I live it happens so rarely that I virtually guarantee somebody will call the cops if you do so (other than for hunting).
OK, open carry is quite legal in PA except in Philly. This was in someplace other than Philly. Check and checkmate. If the Brady Bunch wants to waste their money, hopefully the NRA will counter the offer.
Pennsylvania law allows carrying a concealed weapon with a permit. But it is silent on the legality of openly carrying a firearm, making it de-facto legal, according to the Web site of the Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association.
Remember the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence is a Federal Non-Profit and they report that more than a third of their budget is used for political lobbying.
They are clearly a big part of what is wrong with our system. I have never figured out why this is not prosecuted as a RICO crime.
Was this lady breaking the law? If not she has a leg to stand on.
was the soccer game at a public school? In Virginia there are laws against hand guns at schools concealed or not.
because the sheriff revoked her permit for BS reason’s and she could only legally carry openly.
Nope it was at a park. The lady violated no laws.
Open carry is legal, and it isn’t always convenient to conceal your firearm.
Hot day, don’t want to wear a jacket, etc.
She was well within her rights, but here CCW license was revoked because she exercised her rights.
Go figure.
You seem to be missing the point! This was Pennsylvania, not Virginia. Pennsylvania has it’s own set of firearms laws and they are distinctly different than Virginia’s. You should go to the NRA-ILA’s web page on state gun laws to educate yourself properly.
Hain is the Lebanon woman who wore a loaded gun on her hip to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game in September, raising concerns of other parents. Lebanon County Sheriff Michael DeLeo revoked her license to carry a concealed weapon, but his decision was reversed by Lebanon County Court Judge Robert Eby.And yet they would not complain about police officers like Budzyn and Nevers carrying loaded guns.
Budzyn and Nevers were from Detroit not Lebadon County and were railroaded.
You may need to read closer.
“and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine that will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition”
I honestly wish more people would open carry a firearm. I imagine if more law abiding people owned and carried guns that the gun crime in the country would drop dramatically.
Sounds like her lawyer needs a new Porche and she needs a million bucks and won’t have to wait too long to get it.
I don’t live in one of those localities, but I also NEVER see open carry in my city unless it’s a cop or somebody robbing a store.
That said, all this is going to do eventually is cause more people, particularly older or handicapped people with nothing to lose, to carry concealed whether they have a permit or not. We need to start challenging these stupid laws that put restrictions on a real right, instead of inventing a right that doesn't exist and really does kill people (i.e. abortion).
In Virginia, there have been several cases of people calling the police to report someone open carrying. The Virginia Citizen's Defense League (VCDL) is one of the 2nd Amendment watchdogs in the state that does a good job shining a light on abuses of gun rights.
The part in bold I believe is also current Virginia law and as most handguns are not regularly shipped with magazines which can hold more than 20 cartridges, most common handguns are legal to carry unless expressly prohibited by statute or forbidden by private properly owners (e.g. Manassas Mall).
So you can't really go around with that Glock 17 with the 30 round magazine but you could carry a FN Five-seven with the 20 round magazine. At least the way I read it.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. I am a Windows Administrator.
Open Carry is legal there. Could be it’s just more comfortable.
Statistics in all the states with must issue concealed carry show that there is nothing to be afraid of.
Have you actually seen “somebody robbing a store”? Please tell more about what you observed.
Yes, I have seen a store robbed. Have you? It’s scary as hell.
You seem to be in a defensive mode today. Can you relate what you saw. Where were you in relation to the robber. What time of day was it. Could you see clearly? Were you able to remember what the robber wore? Were any shots fired? How close to you did the bullets pass? Did they Make any sound? Was this your first experience with hostile gun fire?
I ask because I have never seen a robbery and you are the first person who has ever admitted they have.
Anything you care to share would be greatly appreciated, but if you choose not to share I can understand.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
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