Vanity: Pakistan-Sanctioned Terrorists Killed Americans; Shouldn't US Prohibit Paki's from US Entry?

AmericanInTokyo (vanity) | 6 December 2008 | AmericanInTokyo

[AmericanInTokyo]

Tonight (Friday a.m. US time) Pakistan gave its official answer to India on the request to turn over to India ASAP Islamic terrorists based on Pakistan soil and operating out in the open. Our friend and good ally India has ramped up the pressure and now banned the entry of Pakistani nationals into it's country by land, sea or air.

The massive terrorist attack in Mumbai had a strong element of not only India being targeted, but the United States as well. Our fellow Americans were sought out, and some were killed.

All intelligence points to Pakistan as the base for these terrorists. Even the leader of one Pakistan based terrorist affiliated group is granting open interviews in Lahore, thumbing his nose at India.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Due to this situation of a foreign country countenancing terrorists on its soil, who have in the last week entered India and KILLED AMERICANS,

Should not the Bush Administration through its Department of Homeland Security/US Immigration and Citizenship Services, immediately issue a directive to forbid any holder of a Pakistani passport from entering the United States??

[Man50D]

This isn’t a problem with strictly Pakistani nationals. The much broader problem is Islam.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Oh, certainly agreed. Starting with taking action on Pakistan would be a good start.Or does not the US government care about the lives of Americans overseas?

[Man50D]

Starting with taking action on Pakistan would be a good start.Or does not the US government care about the lives of Americans overseas?

Any effective plan has to involve a multi front attack, not isolated to a one nation at a time approach. Otherwise we will be continually chasing terrorists all over the globe.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I am not saying the denial of entry of Pakistani from US territory ASAP is the sole thing to do to wipe this out, not in a million years.

Please don't ruin the thread.

I am trying to get something specific, easy-to-do (DHS decree) and immediate done here; US officials read FR over their morning coffee in D.C. Please get behind my idea. Thanks.

[Man50D]

Please don't ruin the thread.

Ruining the thread? That's certainly not my intention. We're on the same basic page but simply differ on the details. You've been around long enough to know it's an open forum. Differing viewpoints are typically part of FR. I'm simply adding to your strategy. Don't take it personally.

[FocusNexus]

“India is looking into the possibility that one of the planners of last week’s deadly terrorist attacks in Mumbai has been in police custody for months.

They say the suspect - an Indian national named Faheem Ansari - was also carrying sketches of other sites in Mumbai, including the stock exchange. “

Officials Say Possible Mumbai Attack Planner Arrested Months Ago

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2143313/posts

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Since one of the planners is an Indian national, do you think I should start a thread screaming “India-Sanctioned Terrorists Killed Americans; Shouldn’t US Prohibit Indians from US Entry?”

And continue “Should not the Bush Administration through its Department of Homeland Security/US Immigration and Citizenship Services, immediately issue a directive to forbid any holder of an Indian passport from entering the United States??”

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Pakistani government no more “sanctioned” the terrorist attack as the India government.

Your vanity and incorrect title and statements are highly inflammatory.

Do you want to see a nuclear war errupt between Pakistan and India and somehow get the US involved as well? That is exactly what the terrorists want and your inflammatory vanity just throws gasoline on the fire.

If you had any sense, you would ask the Admin Moderator to pull your post.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thank you for your input.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Great!

[FocusNexus]

More evidence that your personal, misguided view does NOT correspond to reality:

Mumbai terror attack: Pakistan gives Condoleezza Rice pledge of strong action

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5286985.ece

“Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, met Pakistani government and army leaders today and secured a pledge that they would take strong action against anyone involved in last week’s attack on Mumbai.”

[BallyBill]

..US officials read FR over their morning coffee in D.C.

Now I'm very afraid, (sorry if I ruined your thread).

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thanks for bumping!

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thanks for your comments!

Bumping thread to top.

[FreedomPoster]

>>Pakistan gives Condoleezza Rice pledge of strong action

Do you believe in the Easter Bunny, too?

[AmericanInTokyo]

Pakistan will not hand over LeT founder to India: Front organisation

5 Dec 2008, 1648 hrs IST, PTI (Times of India)

ISLAMABAD: The front organisation created by Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) founder Hafiz Mohammed Saeed has said the Pakistan government is not "so weak" that it will accept India's demand for the handing over of the 'jehadi' leader and ideologue in the wake of the Mumbai terror strikes. The Jamaat-ud-Dawah also claimed that it was not linked to terrorist activities in any way. The Pakistan government is "not yet so weak that it would hand over its own citizens to India", Jamaat spokesman Abdullah Muntazir told reporters at the organisation's 75-acre complex in Muridke, 30 kms from Lahore, while replying to a question on the status of Hafiz Saeed. Spokesmen and officials of the Jamaat have made public comments and interactions with the media in the wake of speculative reports in the media here that India was planning to strike the organisation's headquarters in the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks. Hafiz Saeed's name is included in a list of 20 criminals and terrorists whose handing over India has demanded from Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. Yahya Mujahid, the chief spokesman of the Jamaat, said though the group offered "philosophical" support to militants in Jammu and Kashmir, it had condemned the Mumbai attacks and claimed that neither the Jamaat nor the LeT was involved in the incident. Indian and US security officials have linked the LeT to the attacks, believed to have been planned in Pakistan and carried out by Pakistan-based elements.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Finally, a voice of reason, a voice of reality.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Retired Pak officials trained Mumbai attackers: US intel 5 Dec 2008, 0046 hrs IST, Jane Perlez & Somini Sengupta, NYT News Service Print Email Discuss Share Save Comment Text: Times of India LAHORE: Mounting evidence of links between the Mumbai terrorist attacks and a Pakistani militant group is posing the stiffest test so far of Pakistan's new government, raising questions whether it can-- or wants to--rein in militancy here. Though officially banned, Lashkar-e-Toiba has hidden in plain sight for years. It has had a long history of ties to Pakistani intelligence agencies. The evidence of its hand in the Mumbai attacks is accumulating from around the globe: A former Defense Department official in Washington, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that American intelligence analysts suspect that former officers of Pakistan's powerful spy agency and its army helped train the Mumbai attackers. And according to a western official familiar with the investigation in Mumbai, another Lashkar leader, Yusuf Muzammil, whom the surviving gunman named as the plot's organizer, fielded phone calls in Lahore from the attackers.

[AmericanInTokyo]

sundar,Gaborone,says:Nothing is going to happen in Pakistan as well as in India. India has got weak-knee policy and it will never dare to attack due to our Politician blame game. Pakistan will sing the same old tune, no Pakistani is involved in the attack. USA will fillup its coffers by selling more arms. We all Indians will forget this after a week and for us business as usual. God Save India. Jai Hind. (Dear Editor: Pl preserve this msg and read after 6 months. My words will come 100% true).
[5 Dec, 2008 1550hrs IST]

Rahul,Pune,says:Why dont these ministers understand that US comes in between because we are there biggest customers for arms havent we seen them how they acted when Japan attacked on PEARL HARBOUR and then WHEN THEY SUFFERED THE BLOW OF TWIN TOWER...why are these ministers waiting for compromise from some Human bugger from US why do they dont take there own decision and if they cant then go home...tell respected Manmohan Singh that be a sardar...or atleast be a leader
[5 Dec, 2008 1539hrs IST]

ashish,mumbai,says:I don think personally that us will force to pak for baned militant group. a very simple region is that us give load to pak if they come against will be harm full for us. US play diplomacy between india-pak to get his benefit only.
[5 Dec, 2008 1537hrs IST]

narayana,muscat,says:no lion ever asks another lion or tiger whether it can kill and eat its prey. India is wrong in expecting global acceptance. No body gives power. Power is always taken. If Manmohan singh is impotent, let him give way to another guy who will vanquish islaimc terrorism from the whole world
[5 Dec, 2008 1537hrs IST]

A Dass,Singapore,says:There comes a time when the talking has to cease. India has to go it alone. The problem is that there is no leadership. I for one believe that something will be done, but not for the right reasons. Why cant the parties give us someone charismatic to lead the country like Ratan Tata ?? These collection of specimens should be cremated.
[5 Dec, 2008 1527hrs IST]

Alien,Overseas,says:I want any politician to ask Ms. Rice, that if the same outfit had commited such acts on the US territory, would they have simply sat back asked the country to ban the political front of the organisation? NO. They would declare Pakistan a Terrorist nation and attack with the support of its cohorts UK and Australia. So why not us. LeT is mocking India’s potency time and again by conveniently hiding behind a nuclear armed Pakistan. I am saying let us have it once and for all. Any war will cause more strain on Pakistan than us. BUt then we don’t know if our nuclear weapons are battle ready or not. China has certainly provided them with working ICBMs and the Pakistanis would have atleast 10 battle ready nuclear bombs. It is time to crush the enemy once and for all.
[5 Dec, 2008 1526hrs IST]

[FreedomPoster]

Now, the flip side, on your suggestion, is that our efforts in Afghanistan depend on ports in and trucking through Pakistan. We certainly don’t fly everything in.

[AmericanInTokyo]

And on the flip side, Pakistanis could be heading to the United States with components to assemble a dirty bomb. Terrorists on their soil show every inkling to do so.

So, watcha gonna do?

[FreedomPoster]

Have serious radiation detectors at ports of entry.

Look, I’m all for banning entry to Muslims, just like we once banned entry to Communists. From all nations. But the reality is that if we are to have troops on the ground in Afghanistan, we have to work with the Pakistanis, and barring entry to their nationals ends that.

[freerites]

oh geez. this is very biased. I know many nice pakistanis from toronto. There is always a bad apple in the bunch.

If you want to take this route, find out the nationalities of the 19 hijackers and how about trying your all so high and mighty ban on nationality with them first.

Incase you haven’t noticed, America/Canada is simply one big melting pot of cultures. So are you also going to exile every pakistani in the states right now under the same pretense?

Seriously get a grip, i haven’t seen anything this racist and blatant in a while..and i REALLY doubt you came over on the mayflower.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

“Since one of the planners is an Indian national, do you think I should start a thread screaming “India-Sanctioned Terrorists Killed Americans; Shouldn’t US Prohibit Indians from US Entry?””

Big difference.

Pakistan’s status as a religios state(Islamic Republic) and its history of active, ongoing support for Islamist groups has a direct bearing on the extent and probability of its citizens following an extreme path, compared to the secular Indian state.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I am watching live Pakistan TV right now.

Actually it is around 11:30 p.m. in Tokyo. It is a special report. They are showing where they suspect the India army is going to attack Pakistan, which cities are going to be hit where the terrorist camps are, going up Pakistan Highway 5, right into Muridke, Kamoke, Gujranwala. They are a little south of Lahore, and then going north from Lahore, into those LeT terror camps one by one. I really think they expect to be hit in the next few weeks. They deserve it. India has every right to be fed up with this. Mumbai was not the start, the terrorists have been doing these kinds of acts with impunity for years. Now I know how Nixon must have felt about Cambodia allowing the North Vietnamese and Vietcong to kill our guys with impunity from safe sanctuary outside of the country.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thanks! For raising your points!

Bump!!

[Cheetahcat]

This goes with the Affirmative Action Government racism theme anything anti white is OK and what is more anti Christian anti White than Islam.

[Man50D]

Do you want to see a nuclear war errupt between Pakistan and India and somehow get the US involved as well? That is exactly what the terrorists want and your inflammatory vanity just throws gasoline on the fire.

WOW AIT I didn't know you had so much global pull as to start a nuclear war! Here I'm thinking the terrorists simply wanted anyone who wasn't muslim dead regardless of the method or reason as recent history has shown but apparently they are focusing solely on a nuclear war. Was I wrong!

If you had any sense AIT you would at the very least start your own blog knowing your new found influence spans the globe.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I do what I can do.

[FocusNexus]

The point wasn’t his actual influence, the point is AIT’s intent — read his original post, his post to you admonishing you not to ruin his thread, and some of his subsequent posts. His intent IS to cause trouble, just because he won’t succeed, because most people have more sense, doesn’t mean his intent isn’t wrong and stupid, which is what I was trying to point out using facts and logic. His post also makes FR looks bad, to have such totally misguided post up as a thread starter.

[AmericanInTokyo]

BTTT!

[luvadavi]

AIT trying to kick-start WWIII?? shame on him! Look, the ISLAMO-NAZIS thruoght the past 3 decades at least , have committed acts of terrorism worldwide and in the past 10 years have become so emboldened and entrenched that ALL it will take is one more 9/11 right here in the US. Only it will be more, & worse, than the atrocities of 9/11. We can thank idiotic make-nice, diplomacy, negotiations, talks, politics, fear and assorted nonsense including catering to the ENEMY WITHIN, THE TROJAN HORSE HERE IN OUR COUNTRY.

Make-nice Rice has 'warned ' Crapistan for what that"s worth. Like her efforts with (against) Israel. The world is held hostage by the Islamonazis and there is so obviously, so painfully obviously ONE way to go. We either hit them and hit them hard, or we surrender. It's that simple.

[4woodenboats]

I agree about the restrictions on Paki nationals you suggest, or at least a thorough reassessment of family members who regularly travel - as citizens of a nation that harbors terrorism, they will have to be patient.

As citizens of a country that has been increasing it's support for cross country incursions by the Taliban it harbors, then complains when we respond, travel should be curtailed for anything other than exceptional circumstances.

As far as what our government cares about, right now it is getting their nametags while our immediate future is in limbo and past that is in doubt.

[mosquewatch]

Shouldn't US Prohibit Paki's from US Entry?

We need to limit Muslim immigration, and color of skin does not matter.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Yes, that is another actionable item.

But denying all Pakistans from Sunday to enter the USA, would be a very easy matter to do. They would be stopped at air points of entry immediately.

Of course, they could always go to Mexico City and then get trucked up with a bunch of lettuce and hoof it across the borders.

But a denial of Pakistanis first and foremost would send a message that we are SERIOUS about standing behind India and also avenging the deaths of our own fellow Americans who died on Indian soil.

[mosquewatch]

I agree 100 percent. None of leaders have the balls to do it. Face it, we're toast. I despise being so bitter, but we don't have any leaders in the USA to even speak of such a thing...

Much less do it. But I do agree with you.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I got flamed for starting this thread.

But I will still stand by it.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. NO MORE KIDDING AROUND!!

Pakistan is an illegimate government who cannot control the terrorist elements operating with inpunity on its soil with the support of its current and former military and intelligence officials. These groups kill Indians and now Americans (actually, they also beheaded an American journalists).

Why should the US allow ANY Pakistani on US soil during this dire situation--with the exception of Pakistani diplomats on urgent business.

This political correctness is going to get even more of us killed!!