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Chertoff to Hand Obama Immigration Successes
The Washington Times ^ | December 6, 2008 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/04/2008 6:52:00 AM PST by oldbill

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff declared success Wednesday on President Bush's vow to double the size of the U.S. Border Patrol and near-success on his pledge to build a fence along the U.S.-Mexico border. The two measures leave President-elect Barack Obama in a better position to get an immigration bill passed, he said.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; azatlan; chertoff; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; nosecurity; obama; whargarrbl
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I guess that given the title, Barf Alert was superfluous. Even in its dying days the Bush Administration is trying to get amnesty and citizenship for 20-40 million illegals (AKA Democrat voters). It seems that they are more supportive of Obama, who will reverse everything Bush did, than they are of the millions of conservatives who hold the quaint notion that laws should be obeyed.
1 posted on 12/04/2008 6:52:01 AM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill

So ridiculous. I suspect that with modern technology and the right people in charge we could complete that entire fence in a single year - minus a couple communities that file legal action to block it in their region.


2 posted on 12/04/2008 6:53:57 AM PST by kc8ukw
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To: oldbill
Welcome to the disUnited States of Aztlan.
http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm
3 posted on 12/04/2008 6:55:42 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: oldbill
Certoff goes out of office lying in style just like the incompetent POS did all along.
4 posted on 12/04/2008 6:55:54 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: oldbill

Near-success on his pledge to build a fence? So that’s what they call not building something these days. Who knew?


5 posted on 12/04/2008 6:57:38 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: oldbill

How are you going to get the illegals to leave, if we can’t even get the president-elect to prove that he’s not an illegal alien?


6 posted on 12/04/2008 6:58:51 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of 0bamanation.)
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To: oldbill
Mary Giovagnoli, policy director for the National Immigration Forum, which wants a more generous immigration policy, said the drop in illegal immigration is more likely a result of a downturn in the economy than an effect of stepped-up enforcement.

Those who want a more draconian immigration policy would also agree.
7 posted on 12/04/2008 6:59:24 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: org.whodat

Don’t forget who put jerkoff Chertoff in either...


8 posted on 12/04/2008 6:59:47 AM PST by Issaquahking (Obama won the election, and America lost!)
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To: FrankR
illegal alien...should have been "legally elected.".
9 posted on 12/04/2008 7:00:00 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of 0bamanation.)
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To: oldbill

Just like on spending, we’re getting Compassionate Conservatism on immigration right up to the end. Shoot me now, please. We’re doomed.


11 posted on 12/04/2008 7:06:14 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Dahoser

“Near-success” is like, uh....FAILURE


12 posted on 12/04/2008 7:13:24 AM PST by satan
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To: oldbill
Even in its dying days the Bush Administration is trying to get amnesty and citizenship for 20-40 million illegals

Not that I take any exception to that statement, because it's patently true, but what'll be interesting to see is how many crimmigrants deport themselves as the economy crashes.

The vast majority of them are unskilled illiterates who work in hospitality, construction, and landscaping. Well, if folks don't know if they're going to be employed next week, how many are going to eat out, travel, build a house, have their property landscaped? Further, if mom got fired and dad got his hours cut back, a job slinging plates at Chili's or cleaning rooms at the Marriott might sound pretty good. They're going to start getting pretty angry that they can't make ends meet while Pato and Rosamunda are working jobs they could do.

Will the D's risk losing vast swaths of American voters in exchange for a new subset of 20-40 million votes? Are those votes going to be dependable (once they realize we'll mail their welfare checks to them in Oaxaca, why stay where it's cold)? Can a major party continue to compete when it's composed of a diverse array of grievance groups (queers, mexicans, a few remaining unions, youthful idiots, etc.)?

Owl_Eagle

“When the stock market crashed,
Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
-Slow Joe Biden

13 posted on 12/04/2008 7:13:25 AM PST by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Can a major party continue to compete when it's composed of a diverse array of grievance groups (queers, mexicans, a few remaining unions, youthful idiots, etc.)?

The idiot Carl Rove thought so!!

14 posted on 12/04/2008 7:15:45 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: oldbill

We assume illegals are “conservative” by nature. If by conservative you mean to say reactionary in a dictatorial manner, you are generally correct. But let’s not forget that communists, fascists, socialists, and dictatorships are reactionary organisms. In their mother countries there are no checks and balances upon governmental overreach. In their fatherlands there are no separations of church and state. In their homeland, they never accepted rights we accept as god-given.
Even in business, the majority possess a “bossman” mentality that north generally do not accept.

I think every illegal I’ve talk with say they voted Obama. And yes, they voted.


15 posted on 12/04/2008 7:18:23 AM PST by egannacht
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To: oldbill

If anyone is deserving of ill-wishes it’s Chertoff.


16 posted on 12/04/2008 7:19:17 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
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To: oldbill
Must be a STEALTH "virtual" fence since Cherkoff has been dragging his feet ever since Bush's border photo op. Before you can claim "near success" you have to have built at least something what was authorized....Bush & Company hasn't even made any real effort to START, let alone complete what was authorized.

Suggested reading for Cherkoff and Bush:

Private citizens have built more fence along the border than the government has and the next question is, where'd they direct the money that was already allocated for fence construction?

17 posted on 12/04/2008 7:22:34 AM PST by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: oldbill
Don't forget who enabled this mess.

18 posted on 12/04/2008 7:48:07 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: kc8ukw

>>>>I suspect that with modern technology and the right people in charge we could complete that entire fence in a single year<<<<<

The 700 mile Alaska Pipeline was built in three years at a normalized cost of about $28 billion (2006 dollars), going over two substantial mountain ranges (Brooks and Chugach) and in temperatures of -40F to +90F (interior Alaska gets cold *and* hot).

Upfront permitting, planning, design, etc. added two years to the total.

In its day the pipeline was a marvel, and I distinctly recall that it was in the news and on TV regularly. There was a lot of interest in the guys who went to work on it, and what they were like.

Just like our 700 to 1,000 mile border fence, an engineering challenge which also is in the news and being reported on by the MSM all the time.

Why just this week I saw a Frontline and then a “60 Minutes” story on “The Fence”.......

/sarc

Nevermind.

“Judge” Chertoff who I once admired has become a shameless and unrepentant liar. It’s truly shocking how low he’s fallen in the last several years.


19 posted on 12/04/2008 8:01:16 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: oldbill

Hey Chertoff!....don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!


20 posted on 12/04/2008 8:05:00 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: oldbill
"Even in its dying days the Bush Administration is trying to get amnesty and citizenship for 20-40 million illegals (AKA Democrat voters)."

I understand what you are saying and your complaint but, the article only discusses Bush beefing up illegal immigrant ENFORCEMENT! I think the wheels came off your apple cart.

21 posted on 12/04/2008 8:06:52 AM PST by avacado
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To: oldbill

So, doubling the size of a government agency is their measure of success.

Cops are the tool, not the goal.


22 posted on 12/04/2008 8:12:30 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: oldbill
Well, I've had “near-success” in building that rocket ship in my back yard that will take me and my family to Mars!

(Just a little project I've been working on...)

24 posted on 12/04/2008 8:42:14 AM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: oldbill
Chertoff has no conscience if he can leave office and let Ramos and Compean rot in prison for doing their jobs while a Mexican drug dealer gets immunity and 20-40+ Illegals are rewarded with amnesty. The world according to Chertoff is backwards and rewards the lawbreaker rather than the those who uphold the law.
25 posted on 12/04/2008 8:55:50 AM PST by 444Flyer (Hellfighter-John 3:1-36)
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To: oldbill

Chertoff and “immigration successes” is the biggest oxymoron to come down the pike in quite a while.


26 posted on 12/04/2008 9:12:36 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (RINO = Big government, blue blood, country club Vichy Republicans)
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It seems that they are more supportive of Obama, who will reverse everything Bush did.

He’s not that stupid. He will be big on border enforcement and stopping illegal immigration. But don’t worry the aliens will not stop coming, they will just be able to come through a port of entry with a guest worker card. Problem solved.

This has been the governments plan for the last 10 years.

27 posted on 12/04/2008 9:21:53 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: oldbill

Interesting... I got this in an email today:

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/december-4-2008/pro-amnesty-groups-lobbying-congress-today.html


28 posted on 12/04/2008 9:27:59 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: kc8ukw
...minus a couple communities that file legal action to block it in their region.

I have no problem with those kinds of cities.

That just means we'll have to circumnavigate their city limits to ensure they lie on the south side of the fence.

Problem solved.

29 posted on 12/04/2008 11:26:56 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: Owl_Eagle

They’re here, they are deeply entrenched and they are not leaving. Like fleas covering a dog, they will drink of blood until the dog dies.


30 posted on 12/04/2008 12:59:19 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Don' need no steenkin' bipartisan..... Oops, have I failed to be "gracious" AGAIN?!!)
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To: egannacht
In their mother countries there are no checks and balances upon governmental overreach. In their fatherlands there are no separations of church and state. In their homeland, they never accepted rights we accept as god-given. Even in business, the majority possess a “bossman” mentality that north generally do not accept.

Correct in every way, and this is what makes the Latin American "immigrant" so desirable to the powers-that-be. These people WANT socialism/communism, a la their hero Che.

31 posted on 12/04/2008 1:06:47 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Don' need no steenkin' bipartisan..... Oops, have I failed to be "gracious" AGAIN?!!)
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To: oldbill
Chertoff to Hand Obama Immigration Successes

Chertoff also noted that the seaports in New Mexico and Arizona are secure!

32 posted on 12/04/2008 1:08:13 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (President Bush has let me down! Palin in 2012!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


33 posted on 12/04/2008 1:09:12 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: AmericanGirlRising

Yep....their organizing and ability to organize is what we are up against. We need a public voice, we need someone like a Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter to step forward and run with this...organizing and assembling All of the anti-amnesty/anti-illegal immigration/pro-border security groups, all under one umbrella. And then we must make a visual statement. If we don’t, our visual statement will come negatively, out of reaction and necessity.


34 posted on 12/04/2008 1:16:35 PM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: Kimberly GG

Agreed. Without an organized public voice on this issue, we’ll be painted as obstructionist hatemongers.

If anybody has contact with Tancredo or Hunter, we’re interested...


35 posted on 12/04/2008 1:20:13 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: La Enchiladita

“Correct in every way, and this is what makes the Latin American “immigrant” so desirable to the powers-that-be. These people WANT socialism/communism, a la their hero Che.”

Bears repeating.


36 posted on 12/04/2008 1:27:19 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: angkor

there was a big incentive to build the pipeline because of all the $$$ it would generate. Businesses want a pipeline but they don’t really want a border fence.


37 posted on 12/04/2008 2:00:17 PM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: oldbill

“Chertoff to Hand Obama Immigration Successes”

Successes? I guess if you want border guards imprisoned and the border wide open....I guess you could call that a success. All depends on your point of view.


38 posted on 12/04/2008 2:35:26 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: satan

“Near-success” is like, uh....FAILURE”

Depends on what they were trying to accomplish.


39 posted on 12/04/2008 2:37:08 PM PST by Grunthor (bush04 - 62, 040, 610 mccain08 - 58, 164, 693.......Moving left is NOT the answer!)
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To: 444Flyer
I am still doing a slow burn on Ramos and Compean. Johnnie Sutton is a worthless POS. He makes Nifong and Fitzpatrick(?) look like choir boys.

Glenn Beck was really the only one in media who really dug deep into the travesty that was the case that unfairly convicted R & C. Too bad the shot in the a$$ of the smuggler did not do more harm....

40 posted on 12/04/2008 3:11:23 PM PST by Born In America (Warning: Use liberals only under close conservative supervision.....)
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To: oldbill
Chertoff change of guard speech:( sarc.)

Give me your poor, wasted, drug addicted masses of Mexico, yearning to be free and be landscapers, maid servants,fieldhands and houskeepers, without having any loyalty to the nation or its constitution, or the language in which it is written!

41 posted on 12/04/2008 3:41:35 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: oldbill
we could complete that entire fence

Ha ha ha. You think it was a lost cause before to get even part of a fence - now its indeed a lost cause.

42 posted on 12/04/2008 4:45:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: oldbill

Immigration Success. Immigration SUCCESS? SUCCESS! I think my brain is about to explode. Immigration reform was the last, final straw that made me give up on the Bush administration in disgust.

How do you make Immigration Enforcement successful? Why, just redefine complete abject failure = success.


43 posted on 12/04/2008 6:30:27 PM PST by COgamer
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To: oldbill

I love that headline. Yep, there’s been a whole lot of immigration success lately — yessiree, tons of successful immigrations!

Thanks, Bush and Chertoff. Thanks a lot. Muchas gracias!


44 posted on 12/04/2008 6:33:12 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Albanese

Yeah I guess that’s one bright spot in the economic downturn. That and the cheaper gas prices.


47 posted on 12/04/2008 9:23:06 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: oldbill

Without ending chain migration, lotteries and some sort of punishment for law breakers who seek to become citizens as well as doing something about the drive through anchor babies, this country is doomed and will break and become even more polarized if these felons are given any type of amnesty. The border fence and e verify is far from enough. Amnesty without ending chain migrataion, lotteries and drive through anchor babies is just stupid and dangerous and with no punishment sends the wrong message. This crap was to never be repeated from the amnesty of 1986 and thanks to Bush, it was. I have no sympathy and it should have been a triple barf alert. I willl for one not vote for anyone who does bailouts or amnesty no matter the party and will become an active protestor. They have ruined the country and have rewarded felons who have no regard or respect for our country and its laws.


48 posted on 12/04/2008 11:36:26 PM PST by volslover
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To: oldbill
....you can triple the amount of law enforcement anywhere...it's enforcing the law that the officials have a problem with...
I use the phrase “vote whores” all the time, it just don't matter how many people they hire, it's enforcement. It really is a wonder that some politicians aren't handing out coupons at the border
49 posted on 12/05/2008 4:10:23 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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The two measures leave President-elect Barack Obama in a better position to get an immigration bill passed, he said.

Remarkable how well W set up things for BO. Dems are already trying to use the shocking bailout amounts as an excuse to spend more. (Of course, if you borrow money, the logical consequence would be you spend less after that, but this is an emotional, not logical, appeal.)

Chertoff has immigration under control like Paulson has the economy under control.

50 posted on 12/05/2008 6:48:33 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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