Murtha: Fund diplomacy, not AFRICOM (Comments on Haditha and Afghan surge)

Stars and Stripes ^ | 11-29-08 | Steve Mraz

[smoothsailing]

Murtha: Fund diplomacy, not AFRICOM


By Steve Mraz, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Saturday, November 29, 2008

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Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., left, talks with U.S. Air Forces in Europe commander Gen. Roger Brady at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center on Thursday.


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Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., center, enjoys Thanksgiving dinner at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center with Navy Cmdr. Fred Lindsay, on Murtha's left, and Air Force Staff Sgt. Margaret Hill, on Murtha's right. Near the far end of the table is Landstuhl commander Army Col. Brian Lein. Also at the table were U.S. Army Europe commander Gen. Carter Ham and Europe Regional Medical Command commander Brig. Gen. Keith Gallagher.

LANDSTUHL, Germany — More money should go to the U.S. State Department for U.S. efforts in Africa rather than to the military’s U.S. Africa Command, said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.

The chairman of the House of Representatives’ defense appropriations subcommittee made his comments Thursday at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center after visiting wounded troops and having Thanksgiving dinner with top U.S. military leaders in Europe.

“They should use diplomacy in Africa rather than military,” Murtha said. “We can’t win these wars militarily. Nobody wants us over there. I think Liberia wants us. Nobody else.

“You can’t just throw money at it, and you can’t win it militarily. It has to be done diplomatically. So I’ve been trying to shift money and convince the people that make the decision on where the money goes that more money should go to the State Department for those kind of things.”

President Bush requested $389 million for AFRICOM for fiscal 2009. Earlier this year during the budgetary process, the subcommittee Murtha chairs recommended providing AFRICOM only $80.6 million in funding for fiscal 2009. In the end, AFRICOM’s budget was approved at $266 million.

Vince Crawley, a spokesman for AFRICOM, noted that Defense Secretary Robert Gates has already spoken about the need for the State Department to get a bigger share of the funding.

However, “It would be inappropriate for us to comment on what members of Congress are saying,” Crawley said Friday.

AFRICOM, which stood up Oct. 1 in Stuttgart, as a unified combatant command, brings all Defense Department programs on the continent under one umbrella.

Missions range from anti-terrorism programs in the Horn of Africa to maritime security initiatives and military-to-military training exercises in numerous countries.

In July, Refugees International released a report called U.S. Civil-Military Imbalance for Global Engagement: Lessons from the Operational Level in Africa, detailing policy and funding disparities between the Defense Department and the State Department. The report argues that the Pentagon controls an increasing share of foreign aid that used to be directed by civilian agencies and that priorities on the African continent do not reflect need.

Murtha, a retired Marine colonel, was at Landstuhl during a stopover on the way to Afghanistan “to find out what the problems are there.” Murtha is well-known for accusing Marines of “cold-blooded murder and war crimes” for the deaths of Iraqi civilians in 2005 in Haditha.

Four enlisted Marines were charged for their roles in the deaths, and four officers were charged in relation to the investigation. One officer was acquitted and charges have since been dropped against everyone else except a staff sergeant, who is suing Murtha for defamation, according to the Associated Press.

“Haditha’s an entirely different situation,” Murtha said. “I have the highest regard for the troops in the field, but in this case, these people didn’t die of a heart attack. They didn’t die of natural causes. (The Marines) used excessive force, obviously. And I point out to the troops: Look, in a guerrilla war you can’t just go in and knock down doors. We’ve changed that completely.”

While Murtha agrees with President-elect Barack Obama’s plans to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq over the next 16 months, he is “very nervous” about a troop surge in Afghanistan.

Obama has said he would send two or three more brigades to Afghanistan in 2009. Last week, Gates said he supported a troop buildup in Afghanistan that’s been estimated at more than 20,000 American troops over the next 12 to 18 months, according to the Washington Post.

“I’ve warned the Obama people, and I’ve also warned my leadership on the Democrat side in the House,” Murtha said. “Let’s not be pushing ourselves into Afghanistan. Let’s see what the plan is. What is the plan? How are we going to solve this problem now? … I’m going to come back and report to them what I think should be done.”

Stars and Stripes reporter John Vandiver contributed to this story.

© 2008 Stars and Stripes. All Rights Reserved.

[smoothsailing]

Murtha’s shooting his mouth off again PING!

[DakotaRed]

Does this senile old fool even know what he says?

“You can’t just throw money at it, and you can’t win it militarily. It has to be done diplomatically. So I’ve been trying to shift money and convince the people that make the decision on where the money goes that more money should go to the State Department for those kind of things.”

It sounds like, “we can’t just throw money at it, so I’ve been shifting money to throw at it.”

And this fool gets reelected?

[FlingWingFlyer]

Murtha is a pig. Politicians suck.

I Support The Troops!

[smoothsailing]

One thing is certain, Murtha thinks he is all three branches of government.

[jazusamo]

“Haditha’s an entirely different situation,” Murtha said. “I have the highest regard for the troops in the field, but in this case, these people didn’t die of a heart attack. They didn’t die of natural causes. (The Marines) used excessive force, obviously.

I want to say he's unbelievable but at this point nothing the senile old fool says surprises me. Seven out of eight Haditha Marines have been exonerated by IO's or a courts-martial panel but that doesn't seem to be good enough for Murtha.

I’m going to come back and report to them what I think should be done.”

We have a very competent SECDEF and military commanders, why in the world would anyone give any credence to anything Murtha says on the way the war should be run in Afghanistan? He's the turkey who wanted to redeploy our troops to Okinawa so they'd have a fast strike capability if anything flared up in Iraq. I believe he has delusions of grandeur.

[jazusamo]

Incompetent Murtha Watch Ping!

Code Pinkos

To be added to the Murtha Watch ping list please notify myself or RedRover.

[VigilantAmerican]

Murtha is a POS traitor who should be skinned alive.

Murtha chicanery in the house chamber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaUxY7ntI_U&feature=related

[smoothsailing]

I believe he has delusions of grandeur.

BINGO! See my post#5!

BTW, I got your Thanksgiving e-mail. The Mrs. and I really liked it. I hope you and your bride had a wonderful day!

[smoothsailing]

“We can’t win these wars militarily. Nobody wants us over there. I think Liberia wants us. Nobody else."

He could use some new talking points, instead of this stale drivel.

[Arizona Carolyn]

I’ll say in the wrong place at the wrong time. What the heck is wrong with the people in PA?

[jazusamo]

Murtha thinks he is all three branches of government

You're absolutely right, Smooth. I really believe he doesn't realize how embarrassing he is to the Dems and the House.

We had a very nice Thanksgiving and hope you and the Mrs. did as well.

[smoothsailing]

Ours was great. And we’ve still got fixings for Turkey sandwiches for the Steelers game Sunday!

[jazusamo]

I truly believe he’s too far gone to memorize new talking points. Those old ones are seared in the part of his brain that remains.

[smoothsailing]

Good Point.

Well. I’m turning in, Brother. I’m glad you had a nice Thanksgiving. I’ll catch up with you later on today (Saturday).

[jazusamo]

G’Night, Smooth. Talk atcha later, I’m heading for the barn too.

[ICE-FLYER]

Murtha is, fittingly enough, an up-front member of the Jackass Party.

AFRICOM has done more good on the Continent of Africa in a short time than he bothers to lear about.

I defy him to get on the www.africom.mil website and say his stupidity there so as to allow General Ward the opportunity to have dialog with him that will be on the record. Murtha wont...he’s too busy with accusing his own constituancy of being idiots and the marines of being murderors.

Murtha...I resnet the living heck out of you.

[LibLieSlayer]

Pennsylvania can kiss my a$$... not those few that are with us... but the MAJORITY of GODLESS VERMIN that put this traitorous POS back into office again... Congressman ABSCAM and all.

LLS

[eCSMaster]

“...leadership on the Democrat side ...”

He said “Democrat,” not “Democrat-ic”

[eCSMaster]

“but the MAJORITY of GODLESS VERMIN that put this traitorous POS back into office again”

My wife is from his district. The people there are not Godless. They believe and vote for Murtha because they think he is strongly pro life and anti-abortion...

...and they think he fights for them.

They also believed that Russell was a carpetbagger. Murtha spent millions on TV right before the election telling them that Russell was from Virginia.

Again, it’s the media who won’t report the truth about Murtha.

[Bulldawg Fan]

Court martial me, I would no more sit and dine with Murtha than I would Jane Fonda. How disgusting. Sickening.

[Bulldawg Fan]

And top military leaders in Europe are supposed to be having Thanksgiving dinner with the troops, even serving them as is the Army tradition, not having dinner with that fat, bastard Murtha.

[LibLieSlayer]

I said nothing about “democrat-ic or democrat” anywhere in this thread. You must have confused me with someone else.

BTW, their is no excuse for sending murtha back to Congress... none at all. His involvement in and the video tape of himself being purchased like a whore by undercover FBI agents during Abscam should have been enough... calling our Military terrorists and cold blooded murderers (and doing it yesterday again in the press) and many other unsavory acts on his part have been widely covered in the press. I will hold my opinion of those that continue to vote for him... like I said... no excuse is legitimate for sending this traitor back into power. Pennsylvania has shown us what the majority in that State are made up of... and it is not pretty... they do not even have the self-respect to take up for themselves when called racists etc... and I know that was covered widely in the press.

LLS

[LibLieSlayer]

Please add a ‘s to “their’s” in the first sentence in my reply.

LLS.

[smoothsailing]

What the heck is wrong with the people in PA?

Well, Carolyn, the best answer I have is that I'm proud to call 107,976 voters in PA-12 my neighbors. As for the rest of them, I ask the same question you do, what the heck's wrong with them?

U.S. House - District 12 100.0% of 600 precincts reporting

Candidate.... Party ....Vote Counts

John Murtha(I) Dem 149,634 58.1%

William Russell GOP 107,976 41.9%

[4yearlurker]

I have lived in Murtha’s district for about 17 years. I always vote against him. I have stated this before on this forum and will state it again. Murtha the slob gets voted in over and over and over because of UNION ZOMBIES!!!!!UNIONS,UNIONS,UNIONS!!!!! He can say and do anything. It doesn’t matter.

Both dead and alive VOTERS. He is secure in his position till his black heart stops beating.

[smoothsailing]

http://www.unionfacts.com/unions/moneyPac.cfm?id=2630

[Arizona Carolyn]

I tried to help from out here, I sent money to Russell. I have actually wondered if a bit of ballot stuffing took place.

[smoothsailing]

I have actually wondered if a bit of ballot stuffing took place.

I've had the same thought, and with Murtha and his goons, I'd hardly be surprised were it true.

[Arizona Carolyn]

He just seemed too confident, too arrogant before all ballots were even counted and the polls didn’t show him winning that decisively.

[smoothsailing]

Yeah, what you say is pretty much the way it is around here.

The fix is a big deal, and it’s hard to beat.

[HonestConservative]

thank you for pinging me on this smooth. I’m going to discuss it on tonights show.
It makes me nutz!

[HonestConservative]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2140524/posts?page=1