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The speed trap set by your neighbour - police recruit residents in road safety war[UK]
Daily Mail ^ | 24 Nov 2008 | Steve Doughty

Posted on 11/26/2008 7:01:22 PM PST by BGHater

Motorists will face amateur speed traps run by local volunteer groups in towns and villages across the country, it was revealed yesterday.

Under rules to be sent to police forces in the new year, bands of volunteers will be supplied with speed detection equipment and asked to use it to identify drivers exceeding limits in their area.

On watch: A speed trap volunteer in action whereby anyone caught going over the speed limit will be contacted later by the police

The guidelines, prepared by the Association of Chief Police Officers, will set a national pattern for schemes which have been trialled in some areas – often with controversy.

Drivers caught breaking limits by 'community speed watch' groups have their numberplates checked on the police national computer and are sent warning letters by police forces.

They can be targeted for prosecution if they get three letters for speeding through volunteer group traps. Motoring organisations warned yesterday that the proposals risk setting neighbour against neighbour and encouraging vigilantism. Some trial schemes had to be abandoned after they led to disputes between local people.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: radar; speeding; ticket; uk
Here in the States:
Police arming Newcastle residents with radar guns[Washington]
1 posted on 11/26/2008 7:01:22 PM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Watch what you say in front of your children.


2 posted on 11/26/2008 7:08:39 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: BGHater

I got one big speeding ticket in Missouri about a year ago - someone called me in. Kind of p*ssed me off !


3 posted on 11/26/2008 7:16:29 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: BGHater

“I’m sorry, Your Honor. That guy was standing in the road, I couldn’t avoid him”.


4 posted on 11/26/2008 7:21:42 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: RobinOfKingston
Watch what you say in front of your children.

Boy I wish I could laugh at your statement, or even disagree with it.

5 posted on 11/26/2008 7:35:27 PM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sara Palin: Americas' last, best hope for survival.)
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To: BGHater

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -CS Lewis


6 posted on 11/26/2008 7:35:38 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: BGHater

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

This is a website that shows lots of pictures of speed cameras in the UK that have been burned by throwing a burning tire around them.

Since the UK is becoming such a violent place, I wonder how long these citizens will be oppressing their fellows before someone objects to their actions, and individually or in a group beat seven bells out of them.


7 posted on 11/26/2008 7:47:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BGHater
This isn't vigilanteism? Even if they are sanctioned by the police (deputized like an old western posse), there is a certain irony to having the British enact a Nazi-like policy of having neighbors turn in neighbors.

-PJ

8 posted on 11/26/2008 7:51:01 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: BGHater

traffic enforcement isn’t the public’s job. Shun your neighbors that buy into this “spy on your neighbor” crap. Instead of them making you feel like the pariah, turn the tables on them, shun them, chastise them, condemn them. They’re not your neighbors, they’re you jailers.


9 posted on 11/26/2008 8:04:07 PM PST by theymakemesick (Buraq - The winged creature that carried mohammed on his Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem)
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To: BGHater
State and local goobermint entities in the US are still spending like the good times were still rolling, so are now racking up huge deficits. As a result, they are looking under every rock for new ways to fleece us.

Here in AZ, Gov. Janet Napolitano, prolly your next Homeland Sec muckey-muck, pushed thru legislation and now we have photo speed cameras being installed on freeways all over Phoenix and all over the state, most permanent, and some roving vans. The "permanent" speed traps, as with red light cameras, do not put out a radar signal, prolly using sensors installed in the pavement.

I have run with radar detectors all my life, but for these permanent camera fraud traps, they do no good, as there is no signal. So I just ordered a new GPS-enabled radar detector that along with radar sensing for all police radar bands, includes a national database of speed traps that is updated monthly by downloading via USB cable to the state-of-the-art radar detector. The detector also allows the user to manually enter locations of any speed traps that happen to not be in the data base.

You have to fight Big Brother technology used against you with technology.


10 posted on 11/26/2008 8:13:12 PM PST by webschooner
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To: BGHater

How do I mount one of these anti-radar missiles on my car's roof?

11 posted on 11/26/2008 8:32:55 PM PST by KarlInOhio (11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
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To: CORedneck

I got stopped last Thursday night because my license plate lights were burned out, he was Mr. tough guy, acted like I was some kind of fugitive from the law. He didn’t give me a ticket but warned me that he would if he caught me again.

I am so tired of getting stopped with no real probable cause, all this made up crap just steams me. I am never doing anything illegal because I don’t but they stop me anyway.

I know, I know, I live on a known “drug highway” and “illegal smuggling route” and every time we get a rookie BP or deputy we get stopped again. I call or write a letter to the editor and it stops for a while but then there they go again.


12 posted on 11/26/2008 8:45:55 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: BGHater

Fifty plus years ago my sister lived in a MIT students wartime housing development. Taxis would take shortcuts through the development at high speed, dodging little children. The mothers complained rather ineffectively to the the authorities. Finally MIT installed carefully designed speed bumps that broke quite a few speeding taxi axles, and the taxis changed course.


13 posted on 11/26/2008 9:03:34 PM PST by dr huer
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To: tiki
I am so tired of getting stopped with no real probable cause,

Follow almost any motorist for five minutes or five miles and there will certainly be at least one vehicle code violation (failing to signal, improper lane change, etc). A vehicle inspection code violation is probable cause. The warning is a courtesy, a "five day card" is an act of grace, a ticket is the letter of the law. Your attitude affects the outcome.

14 posted on 11/26/2008 9:07:08 PM PST by lightman (BHO: I'd rather defy than deify.)
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To: lightman

Cops invent “probable cause” any time they feel like it. I was stopped once for “swerving within my lane” by a couple of rookie cops practicing pushing citizens around. They harrassed me for about 20 minutes and then told me they were “cutting me a break” (after searching me and my car and finding nothing). I went to the next city council meeting and found those two punks had been busy little beavers, harrassing lots of people, who were all PO’d. One was fired and the other got a talking to.


15 posted on 11/26/2008 9:29:21 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: BGHater

In Viet Nam, the roads are too crowded to speed, but neighbors informing or neighbors? Sure, every Commie country has block watchers who write reports on each neighbor every week.


16 posted on 11/26/2008 9:33:00 PM PST by Rembrandt
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To: CORedneck

Some people never out grow the “hall monitor” mentality.
Efing control freaks. Don’t get me started!!


17 posted on 11/26/2008 9:41:11 PM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: BGHater

It would be nice if they did that in my neighborhood. We got people who not only break the speed limit cutting through my neighborhood but don’t stop or slow down at stop signs, they just break the speed limit right though them.


18 posted on 11/26/2008 10:22:00 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: dr huer

We tried to get speed bumps and speed tables put in my neighborhood. So far they keep finding ways not to do it even though they have in other subdivisions.


19 posted on 11/26/2008 10:24:31 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: theymakemesick

Upholding the law was in times past considered the responsibility of every upstanding citizen. This is a step in the right direction...


20 posted on 11/27/2008 3:00:47 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: pepperhead
It would be nice if they did that in my neighborhood. We got people who not only break the speed limit cutting through my neighborhood but don’t stop or slow down at stop signs, they just break the speed limit right though them.

I don't want speedbumps (they are a pain), and I don't want citizens ratting each other out with radar guns.

The answer is enforcement, but it's hard to get traffic enforcement in a neighborhood. Not enough revenue to justify the manpower, probably. Get over the idea that traffic enforcement has ANYTHING to do with safety... it's about revenue, pure and simple.

The worst speeder and stop sign runner in my neighborhood is the State Trooper's wife who lives around the corner. She has a free pass.

It's just how law enforcement is in South Carolina.

21 posted on 11/27/2008 4:11:23 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Can't we all just get along? At least until I'm finished reloading?)
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To: lightman

Your attitude affects the outcome.

My husband has never had a ticket that he had to pay for except a seat belt violation. If the policeman actually gives him a ticket, when he goes to court the judge dismisses it. One time a state cop gave him a ticket and before he could go to court the policeman sent him a notice that the ticket had been dismissed.

He just seems to have a magic touch with law enforcement. One day he was going 65 in a 35 MPH construction zone, I figured he’d end up in jail, he didn’t even get a ticket!


22 posted on 11/27/2008 7:46:53 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: PalmettoMason

Actually they would get plenty of revenue in my neighborhood. They run the signs non-stop. As for the speed bumps I disagree. My street is a very long, there needs to be something to slow people down because most people don’t respect the street signs. As for ratting each other out, oh boo hoo. If there was gangs setting up in shop would you be against people in the neighborhood ratting them out?


23 posted on 11/27/2008 10:27:05 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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