Posted on 11/25/2008 8:45:54 AM PST by Frantzie
Proofin' the prez: Who's in charge? Constitutional lawyer says electors have duty to investigate citizenship
Posted: November 24, 2008 9:48 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily
Barack Obama
A one-time vice presidential candidate who is considered an expert on the U.S. Constitution says it is up the electors from the 50 states to make certain President-elect Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen before they cast votes for him in the Electoral College Dec. 15.
"If they do their duty, they would make sure that if they cast a vote for Mr. Obama, that Mr. Obama is a natural-born citizen," Herb Titus, the Constitution Party's running mate to Howard Phillips in 1996, told WND today.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Yes, they do have that duty. (And if they don’t have standing to sue to compel production of the relevant documents, I don’t know who does.)
Will they fulfill it? I’m not holding my breath.
Congressmen and Senators have the duty to ask also. Will any follow up, and also investigate Obama’s alleged Indonesian citizenship?
That's a big "if". Not gonna happen. This issue is closed, whether O is a citizen or not. He may not be a citizen, but he's definitely gonna be president.
thanks for the post.
Need to keep getting the word out there. So many don’t even know anything about this.
They know how much Palin spent on clothes, but they have no idea that Barack Obama may not be Consitutionally eligible to be POTUS.
This media is on the verge of treason.
Does anyone honestly believe that Pres Bush would be having meetings with him, if he wasn’t eligible to be president?
President Bush would like 99% of the rest of America, assume that the DNC had properly vetted Obama.
There’s alot during the last 8 years that Bush and the rest of the GOP hasn’t had any backbone about. This is just another one.
Is there a penalty for NOT doing that duty?
(I haven't read the whole article, so I may have missed an answer to my question. No time right now.)
The verge? The New York Times passed it a while back.
I think at this point President Bush doesn’t any any of the cheese, he just wants out of the trap.
No, the issue is NOT closed.
And it won't be closed until the issue is satisfied in accordance to the law.
If the law does not apply to Obama, it applies to NOBODY.
So the courts have to uphold the law, or they will have a lawless nation on their hands, and no job to go to.
NOTHING Obama signs can be law, because an Usurper" has no power to sign anything into law.
No bill passed in the senate can be signed into law, because as an USURPER, Obama has no power to sign anything into law.
So don't go thinking that the matter is closed, because it isn't.
This is just the same as an invasion of the nation. Would you say oh well, I can't do anything about it, so may as well live with it and take orders from the new leader?
Yes, somehow I think you would...
But I won't.
Why do you say that? I really doubt that Bush or his office would have any meetings with Obama if he weren’t cleared properly and actually was going to be the next president.
everyone read this article call the reps at bottom of article they said there getting a ton of calls.!! PUT THE HEAT ON PEOPLE!!!
If one can overlook one Admendment to the Constitution then can I grab my gun and kidnap several black people and make them work on my plantation???? ie reinstate slavery based on race???? I don’t think so. That is the danger of ignoring the US Constitution.
Doesn't ANYONE know how to think for themselves in this country anymore?
I’ve already wrote all the letters I could a month ago.
Like he would know. Barack has been elected by the people, until something different happens Bush is sort of obligated to meet with him. Some asked, don’t you think that the Dummycraps vetted him. No really. The Dummycraps would do anything to win and stay in power. They coddled a rapist.
Bush has been blind to the misrepresentations and lies of his opponents since his first campaign for president began. His failure to defend himself, his administration, his policies, and the Constitution has left us where we are today.
Yes. Bush has been in a fog for the past 18 + months. I think they work for the same people and it is not the American public.
Be gone O-Bot.
No. All they care about is celebs, American Idol and football games.
Do you believe that everyone in DC is the same, that there is not one senator or congressperson or member of the administration or even the Vice-President that has not investigated this or shown any interest at all?
Do you think Mr. Cheney would let this happen, or Rice?
“everyone read this article call the reps at bottom of article they said there getting a ton of calls.!! PUT THE HEAT ON PEOPLE!!!”
I have read the article and can not find the “reps at the bottom of the article”. Please redirect me. Thanks!
Bush having meetings with Obama could all be a dog & pony show...Designed to keep the lid on this “powder keg”. Whaterever happens, i think it’s safe to say, America as we know it is no more...
I just hope Bush has the presence of mind to understand he may be sharing sensitive info with an illegal alien.
I thought Cheney might care more about the Constitution but who knows. Bush lost the conservatives when he started pushing for amnesty with McCain.
Right on! The whole Democrat ticket should be disqualified! We need to spread the word around.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
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The politically expedient thing to do is to ignore it. Which is probably what we will get.
You’re right, just about anything ‘could be’.
According to the courts, nobody you mentioned would have standing to do so. That means that they would not have compulsory process to force disclosure of specific documents, formal investigation, or testimony under oath.
Any attempt to do any of these without cooperation would generate a firestorm of protest. Of course this is a gross miscarriage of justice. I believe that any person eligible to vote has all the standing required to ask fpr proof that any candidate meets the statuatory requirements for the office sought. And I KNOW that ANY AMERICAN who has taken an oath of office at any level (including the military) swore to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution - and was never released from that solemn oath.
My guess is that even if there is a penalty, no one will enforce it.
Sad, but true.
I wasn’t speaking of anything compulsory, I just don’t think that if there were anything to this, that absolutely no one in the entire US or states govts or in the public eye or any media persons or even a foreign media would be ignoring it and we here on FR would be the only people concerned.
Electors are usually "party faithful", and in the past it has been largely a ceremonial post. As "party faithful", dim electors are certainly not going to demand an accounting. Perhaps a GOP elector could, but I believe the Electoral College meets in each state separately, so waiting until then, it is too late. The votes are submitted and then opened and counted in Congress and a winner declared. You know that Congress, being controlled by Pelosi and Reid, are not going to demand anything and will be eager to crown the emperor. I believe that the SCOTUS has abrogated responsibility for ensuring that candidates met the qualifications in the past, largely because it was not required. I was shocked to find that this task was left to the political parties. Now is the time for them to step up!
Yes, he’d have meetings with him. And with Kennedy and Daschle and Reid and Pelosi...but not with any conservatives.
That is really a great story. From reading it, a scenario I see is that the Electoral College should disqualify Obama and since the Democrats didn’t better check Obama’s eligibiltiy, that the whole ticket would be thrown out. Since McCain / Palin are both eligible and received the next highest number of votes, they would be awarded the Electoral Vote 538 - 0.
If the Electoral College doesn’t name a winner, the House of Representatives decides, but not by each Representative casting one vote. Instead, they count EACH State as only ONE vote (depending how their Reps voted within each State). Thus, heavy blue States like California and New York would lose that Democrat majority to smaller red States like Idaho and Utah which count eaqually as one vote and would vote Republican (in other words, geographically, more of the country is red)............ McCain /Palin would win.
Even then, The U.S. Supreme Court will certainly have a hand in the issue.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
It's loaded with inaccuracies. Congress can, in the first place, deal with eligibility challenges, without resorting to impeachment. Second, the Constitution and election laws (Chapter 1 of Title 3) specifically provide for electors votes for Pres and VP to be cast separately.
That's not a comprehensive list of errors - bumping into such huge errors, early on, causes me to dismiss the entire writing as that of a crank, idiot, or ignoramus.
Try again. In the new Congress, 27 states have majority Democrat delegations, 22 have majority Republican, and 1 is evenly split. McCain/Palin would lose.
“The principle would award McCain-Palin”
This is almost laughable.
McNut was also born in a foreign country. He was born in Colón, Republic of Panama, and not in the Canal Zone as many folks erroneously think; therefore, he also has an Obama problem.
So could it be Palin based on the article?
Is that the numbers in the outgoing House?
It’s irrelevant anyway since McCain / Palin are eligible and would be next highest in the vote count. Thus, a 538 - 0 Electoral College victory for McCain/Palin.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
You're talking about Mr. New Tone. He'd buy the knife they'd thrust in his back.
-PJ
I have no idea...but wouldn’t that be fun if she in the end becomes our president after all?
It doesn’t hurt to dream.
All the Washington inbreeds (establishment) would go into cardiac arrest.
“This is one of the best articles I have seen on the subject. It also mentions that the whole slate Dem candidates (O, Biden, Hill) could get thrown out.”
Good Article - but no need for a new election (if McCain is qualified) ...
12th Amendment provides for the House to choose the new POTUS from a list of NO MORE THAN 3 other candidates who received electoral votes ...
In this case, the are McCain ... McCain ... and McCain ...
I pick the third person listed or door #3. ;-)
I pick the third person listed or door #3. ;-)
Decisions ... decisions ....
Boy!!! Would I like to be a fly on the wall in the House of Representatives if they had to vote this ...
A slate of 3 qualified Repubs - AND ALL McCain!!!
They would go apoplectic ...
Colón was in the Canal Zone, when there was a Canal Zone.
Incomming.
It’s irrelevant anyway since McCain / Palin are eligible and would be next highest in the vote count. Thus, a 538 - 0 Electoral College victory for McCain/Palin.
Ummm, no. Last I checked it was McCain/Palin 173 which is far less than the 270 required for a majority in the Electoral College. So if Obama is ruled ineligible then it would most likely go to Biden but there is an off chance it would go to Congress for a resolution. In any case the next president will be a Democrat. God help us.
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