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New Fears Arise in Michigan
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Posted on 11/22/2008 7:53:40 PM PST by mathwhizz

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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Getting paid much less, but having a job, is still better than a whole lot of nothing not having a job and no jobs available if I am not working...

Georgetown Kentucky has a huge Toyota plant. We aren't a right to work state and have a dem governor, but it might be an option for you.

61 posted on 11/23/2008 12:08:14 AM PST by Dianna
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To: Last Dakotan

With the Rats having the WH, House and an essentially filibuster proof Senate, there won’t be ANY “Right to Work States”.


62 posted on 11/23/2008 12:35:10 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: mathwhizz

At the beginning of the 20th century, a common expression in Paris was “as rich as an Argentinian.” Argentine was one of the most prosperous countries in the world. Today after a century of largely left-wing government, it is literally on the verge of bankruptcy.

The same is true of Michigan, once prosperous, now hanging by a thread - and sadly, hanging on to Granholm and voting for Levin and Stabenow and BO. The disease is spreading to our whole country, and what happened to Argentina can happen to us.


63 posted on 11/23/2008 3:52:53 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: STONEWALLS
Actually some deflationary realism will help the economy.

I predict a resurgance of manufacturing in thenext few years as waqes hit a realistic level and automation proceeds a pace.

Unions are on their last legs; there is no rationale for their salary/benefits/retirement schemes.

Management will also have to do with much less as stockholders will demand a better return on their investment.

64 posted on 11/23/2008 4:01:08 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
It's going to cost the state $15 billion

Actually it is worse than that. Two years ago the estimates were $18 billion a year (I am sure 2 years later it will be higher), and it will be financed through a payroll tax, similar to Social Security to the tune of $510.00 A WORKER I don't know about you, but I can't afford that.

It would also be mandatory, so no matter how good your insurance is right now, you would be forced to pay into the system.

65 posted on 11/23/2008 4:07:28 AM PST by codercpc
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To: Jimmy Valentine

“I predict a resurgance of manufacturing in thenext few years as waqes hit a realistic level and automation proceeds a pace.”

.....I would really like to see that...I live in NC where textiles and furniture factories are boarded up....we have some tourism dollars coming in but nothing beats a good steady factory payroll.


66 posted on 11/23/2008 5:29:39 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ah be careful... Looks whats happen to other states that the libs ran to, they went blue. Let the libs fix thier own state before ruining another.


67 posted on 11/23/2008 6:26:01 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: cherry

I fully understand what the other half is going through. too old to change profession. Too young to quit. And too broke to keep the wife happy.

She seems to think I enjoy my unstable work history.
Trust me. I love a steady paycheck as long as it pays the bills.


68 posted on 11/23/2008 7:26:54 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: Dianna
Georgetown Kentucky has a huge Toyota plant. We aren't a right to work state and have a dem governor, but it might be an option for you.

Thank you.

I found their web site. Looks like a good place to work with lots of motivated and intelligent people working there...



In the story below - copied from the web site - I see that she got her degree from the Pennsylvania College of Technology and is now working at Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky (TMMK), so she obviously moved from Pennsylvania to Kentucky to work there.

TEMA PE Specialist Highlighted in Documentary

Toyota Team Member Jennifer Brinkley-Cruz

GEORGETOWN, KENTUCKY, (June 23, 2008) —A Toyota team member from Georgetown is being showcased in a public television program. Jennifer Brinkley-Cruz will be a featured vignette in the “Degrees That Work” television series, a co-production of Pennsylvania College of Technology, her alma-mater.

The series is designed to build awareness of careers that may not be familiar to the public but offer ample job opportunities and are projected to see employment growth.

Brinkley-Cruz, a native of Pennsylvania, earned a Bachelor’s Degree in Manufacturing Engineering Technology in 2005  and oversees automated welding cells at Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky (TMMK). The show follows Brinkley-Cruz working on the plant floor and explains other jobs related to the field of welding.

Shot over two days in October and scheduled to air at the end of June, Brinkley-Cruz recalled that the shoot was time consuming, but notes all the planning was worth it once she viewed the end result. “The show really highlighted the benefits of seeking a career in welding,” she explained. “Obviously welding is not considered a female-dominated field and I am glad I could serve as an example for other girls to say, “hey that just might be something I am interested in pursuing”.

Brinkley-Cruz works in the Toyota plant’s Body Weld Unit, where 700 robots are responsible for 97 percent of the welds applied to each vehicle. She oversees 40 robotic welding cells, specifying which robots will be used for a task and how the cell should operate. “I would say this is a dream job for me,” she says, “I am very grateful that I picked such an amazing career field as welding.”

“The show also promotes the fact that Toyota employs a diverse workforce of which I am very proud to be a part,” Brinkley-Cruz added.

The episode is available for viewing now online at www.pct.edu/degreesthatwork/welding.htm.

TMMK is located in Georgetown, Ky., and is Toyota’s largest manufacturing facility in North America employing about 7,000 team members. TMMK has the capacity to produce 500,000 vehicles and engines annually. Its products include the Camry, Camry Hybrid, Avalon and Solara as well as V6 and 4-cylinder engines and engine components.


69 posted on 11/23/2008 8:29:32 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train...)
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To: o_zarkman44
I fully understand what the other half is going through. too old to change profession. Too young to quit. And too broke to keep the wife happy.

Your wife has to be your equal partner in this or you don't have a marriage.

I have discussed this point with my wife.

70 posted on 11/23/2008 8:36:44 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train...)
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To: gigster
I have an idea.

Let’s elect Democrats and see what happens.

I think that's been tried and it ain't working out too well.

71 posted on 11/23/2008 9:23:54 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: madison10
what money, pray tell,will these unemployed persons use to move and work in another state?

Lots of good ideas have been mentioned on this thread. The main point is that the people of Michigan have made their own beds, by voting for the idiots in their government, now they have to lie in those beds.

72 posted on 11/23/2008 9:34:26 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: Kozak
With the Rats having the WH, House and an essentially filibuster proof Senate, there won’t be ANY “Right to Work States”.

We have thought out a strategy for that - will simply stop hiring.

73 posted on 11/23/2008 10:10:13 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Frantzie
-- the Western part of MI is like a different world. --

I spent the bulk of my formative years in Holland. Great memories.

74 posted on 11/23/2008 10:12:14 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: teletech
When DuPage voted for Goldwater in 1964 (a year when most suburban counties went for LBJ, btw, including those with Republican majorities in registration), it was largely a mixture of estates for CEOs and "old money", along with many farms in the western and southern end of the county. Those days are long gone, as folks who moved from Chicago over the years brought their politics with them. The secularization of the white population outside of rural areas and the South is also a factor, though not as much as the former.
75 posted on 11/23/2008 10:14:07 AM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: mathwhizz

Re-elect Governor Granholm!


76 posted on 11/23/2008 10:16:16 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Cboldt

My experience in MI is flying into Detroit airport then on to Grand Rapids. Pretty area, super people and a nice little town. It is a shame MI cannot be split into E MI and W MI.


77 posted on 11/23/2008 10:17:44 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Clemenza
When DuPage voted for Goldwater in 1964 (a year when most suburban counties went for LBJ, btw, including those with Republican majorities in registration), it was largely a mixture of estates for CEOs and "old money", along with many farms in the western and southern end of the county. Those days are long gone, as folks who moved from Chicago over the years brought their politics with them. The secularization of the white population outside of rural areas and the South is also a factor, though not as much as the former

We have now sadly become an extension of Cook Crook County.

78 posted on 11/23/2008 10:25:24 AM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
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79 posted on 11/23/2008 11:07:14 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: mathwhizz
I've listened to my fellow Michiganders whine about jobs, the economy, etc and blame Bush categorically for the past 8 years.

At the same time, they keep electing more and more RATS.

I wonder when they'll connect the dots?

80 posted on 11/23/2008 11:10:25 AM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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