Posted on 11/17/2008 8:49:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
For a blind watchmaker, Evolution is quite the seer. Science articles often personify Evolution into a wizard and worker of miracles. This is odd, considering that evolution is supposed to be an aimless, purposeless process of chance and necessity with no goals in mind.
Evolution, the Learner: Evolution learns from past environments, we are told by Science Daily. Scientists at the Weizmann Institute believe that evolution learns its lessons so well it can parry them into inventions by digging into its bag of mistakes. The article states nonchalantly, “evolution can learn the rules of the environment and develop organisms that can readily generate novel useful traits with only a few mutations.”
The scientists admitted, however, that...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...
ping :o)
So according to ToE, random chance rolls the dice and it comes up 7s 90% of the time or so.
Good one...I just put anthropomorphism in the keyword list!
Thanks for the ping!
“This is odd, considering that evolution is supposed to be an aimless, purposeless process of chance and necessity with no goals in mind.”
Bingo.
I thought Dawkins was supposed to be evolution personified.
And yet we can find no trace of this run of luck except in the minds of the Darwinist faithful.
Wouldn't know it by the posts.
I have never maintained that Darwkins is evolution personified. However, that would go a long way in explaining why Darwin’s ToE doesn’t work d;op
If that doesn't work, there's always Hitler.
read later...I really like that site!
Yes, unfortunately for humanity the Nazis turned out to be quite the Darwinists. And speaking of the Darwinist underpinnings of the Nazi movement, I am very much looking forward to reading the following article in the newest issue of the Journal of Creation:
http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/6148
I’d like to speak my mind on this issue. But I’m afraid I’d really piss off the Darwinist gods of Time and Chance.
Aren’t they cool! I check up with them every morning. In fact, I’m about to send a word of encouragement and possibly a small donation. All the best—GGG
...or at least the army of materialist religionists who claim we are the product of Time and Chance...LOL
But holding up Fred Phelps as Creationism personified would of course be a cheap shot.
Do you mean that at some level there is a conscious intellect that can readjust or tweak DNA to produce specific results based from previous experience?
The best one I’ve heard, referring to the “dinosaur to bird” theory is, “It’ll be a bad leg long before it becomes a good wing.” Simplistic? Well,maybe but some of the most profound things usually are.
I only saw an excerpt. Did they mention the following in the full article?
BERLIN: PROCLAMATION TO THE GERMAN NATION
FEBRUARY 1, 1933
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"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life...."
--http://www.hitler.org/speeches/02-01-33.html
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison."
--Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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"Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil."
http://www.darwin-literature.com/The_Descent_Of_Man/7.html
So evolution is a sort of “Artificial Intelligence?”
Dawkins is ignorant arrogance personified.
Genocidal maniacs are natorious for invoking causes that have nothing to do with their real intentions as a means to an end. If you think Hitler’s revolution was really a Christian revolution, then by all means, cite your evidence.
As for the Darwinist underpinnings of the Nazi movement, they are very easy to document. Indeed, Darwin himself sounded like a Nazi on numerous occasions.
I read that a long time ago and forgot all about it. Excellent, simply excellent!
Actually, the way they describe evolution, you’d think it exhibits natural intelligence!
I agree...I have the audio to the series, and some slides, hidden somewhere on my hard drive. I use it a lot at the Air Force Academy
Has anyone else noticed that the ToE proponents seem to be tilting into teleology lately?
Yeah but how many pairs of dice are being rolled at once?
If Nazis were advocates of Darminism, then why did they also advocate Eugenics, where an intelligence, instead of nature, decides who lives and who dies?
Agreed. Now, if Hitler had said "we regard Darwinism as the basis for our national morality" in his Feb. 1, 1933 proclamation, I'm sure that would be cited to link Darwin to Hitler.
Fact is, genocide has been part of human behavior for millennia - long before Darwin or Hitler.
As for the Darwinist underpinnings of the Nazi movement, they are very easy to document.
So are Hitler's official proclamations and confessions. If Darwin is to be blamed for Hitler's crimes, then Christianity must also share in the blame. Both of those premises are intellectually fraudulent, IMO.
Given what they claim evolution is capable of doing, do they have a choice? LOL
Whilst I am a staunch creationist, I will conceed the point. Much evil has been done in the name of God and Jesus. Jesus himslf warned of this very thing to his disciples in John 16:2 "...in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God."!
==If Darwin is to be blamed for Hitler’s crimes, then Christianity must also share in the blame.
Then please document where Hitler et al did anything more than pay occasional lip-service to Christianity to advance the Nazi revolution. Stalin did the same thing with respect to the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian nationalism to advance the Bolshevik revolution (even though they planned on destroying both).
The fact is that the Nazis took Darwin’s message to heart and and set about snuffing out “inferior” races. One might even say the Nazis were fulfilling a Darwinian prophecy:
“At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
—Darwin, Charles. The Descent of Man, 1874, p. 178
Or take the following quote from Thomas Henry Huxley, one of the greatest popularizers of Darwinism, and famously known as “Darwin’s Bulldog”:
No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathus relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites (1871, p. 20).
—Huxley, Thomas H. (1871), Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews (New York: Appleton).
The point they are making is so clear even a child can understand it. If man evolved, then the races of man are at various stages of their evolution, and the caucasian, according to Darwin, Huxley (and later the Nazis) were at the highest stage of evolution. All three looked forward to the complete triumph of the caucasian race, which could only mean the eventual extinction of the “less evolved races.” The Nazis viewed themselves as merely using the tools at their disposal to bring about an evolutionary inevitability.
They did. They died.
==If Nazis were advocates of Darminism, then why did they also advocate Eugenics, where an intelligence, instead of nature, decides who lives and who dies?
If memory serves, the Nazis believed their “superior” intelligence was decreed by Nature.
I hate to break the news to you, but Eco-Fascism is still very much alive—and growing rapidly—on planet earth.
PS The Christian West snuffed out the Nazis, not Darwin’s pagan Natural Selection god.
If you hate to do it, then just shut up. I wouldn't want you to be unhappy :).
Where is this "Pagan Natural Selection god" you speak of? Are you making stuff up?
Touchy, touchy! In fact, my concern was for your hurt feelings, not mine. But the need to tell the truth won out, as it it should have.
==Are you making stuff up?
Nope, but Darwin sure did!
Gee, now I'm all twitterpated.
How do you know that?
If you’re not making it up, where is it?
I agree on that “Eco-Fascism is still very much alive...”
In fact, in sticking with the theme of the article which suggests that “Evolution learns from past environments”, the fascist vehicle of evolutionary destruction has learned a great deal from the failures of its dependence on nationalism.
The National Socialists (Nazis) were nowhere near as successful at steering multi-generational social genetics as is its descendent form of international socialism (radical environmentalism).
Evilution personified has indeed learned quite well that its purification goals can be achieved quicker through subtle deception than through the brutal honesty of its less evolved past.
Greater numbers of the “less civilized” races have been eliminated as a result of the supposedly well-intentioned DDT ban than the tally of all the Nazi ovens combined. And with no consequence to the perpetrator whatsoever...other than the lavish praise of the “more equal” Orwellian Pigs.
And, the gods of Time and Chance have never been more disastrously efficient than since their recent corruption of the compassion gene. Now, millions of the undesirables are annually eliminated with no effort at all. The next generation gods of Convenience and Reproductive Freedom have seen patron saint Sanger’s plans put into high gear since persuading the lower forms to kill their own offspring.
This evil is so subtle that it has convinced the vast majority of the hated black race to elect one of their own on a platform which ensures the continued disproportionate destruction of their next generations will accelerate fueled by my confiscated earnings. What the FOCA were they thinking?
If Hitler had said that the Reich regarded Darwinism as the foundation of national morality, I doubt it would be characterized as just paying occasional lip service.
This was a major address, and his first to the German people as Chancellor, if I'm not mistaken. Such a statement would be quoted on every one of these threads! Here are some others:
In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany.
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Stuttgart, February 15, 1933. )
"We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933. )
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html
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The Nazis viewed themselves as merely using the tools at their disposal to bring about an evolutionary inevitability.
I could just as plausibly argue that the Nazis viewed themselves as merely using the tools at their disposal to carry out Martin Luther's advice in "The Jews and Their Lies" (1543):
What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? ... I shall give you my sincere advice:
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
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My point remains. Genocide, racism, and religious persecution, have been part of the human condition since long before Darwin or Christianity.
It is nonsense to blame Nazi crimes on either, IMO.
The problem is you're thinking about what's being said, instead of just reacting to it at an emotional level.
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