Posted on 11/11/2008 4:38:04 AM PST by RobinMasters
Robert Malley, a top Middle East advisor that US President-elect Barack Obama promised months ago would play no role in his administration due to ties to Hamas, has reportedly been sent out on the next administration's first diplomatic mission.
According to a report in Middle East Newsline, Obama dispatched Malley to Egypt and Syria late last week with a message that the he intends to mend and bolster relations with both nations, and to give greater weight to their concerns regarding regional conflicts than did President George W. Bush.
During the Democratic Party primaries, Obama was lashed by critics for having Malley on his team after the latter admitted to being in regular contact with Hamas as part of his work with the International Crisis Group.
Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt quickly responded at the time that Malley had provided "informal advice to the campaign in the past," but insisted that he had "no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future."
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The loss of Israel will be the Obama legacy.
I’m in shock! Obama lied about something? Say it isn’t so! (heavy sarcasm) LOL
The One cannot lie, just ask anyone in the MSM. The One cannot be questioned, just ask Joe the Plummer.
This would be a deadly legacy with terrible consequences for America! We have always stood with Israel. God promised that He would bless those that bless Israel and would curse those who curse Israel. We don't need to turn our back on Israel! Although, I have suspected that this would be coming in an ObamaNation.
W must have given O the “green light”
for, O rules as of last week (if this is true).
And they’re shocked that Obama lied about this too?
Yeah right. His chief of staff is Rahm Emanuel, a former IDF volunteer and dual citizen who served on an IDF army base in 1991. Many of Obama's top confidants like Axelrod, Plouffe, Summers, Rouse, Geithner, Furman , Steinberg etc. are Jewish. On a bipartisan basis, Congress supports Israel overwhelmingly. If Israel is lost, it won't be due to lack of support from the US.
...should be a headline when he tells the truth.
Jews generally vote for suicide.
We can start printing the protest signs now: “Obama lies, Israel dies”. Change the slogan to past tense in a year or so.
Wonder what Rahm Emanuel thinks about this
He also lied when he says he is not an unAmerican socialist too.
obamma lamma ding dong is little more than a good speaking chicago political hack.
A “community organizer”. a p.o.s.
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Obama lied, I'm shocked. Who better to send to Egypt and Syria than someone with ties to Hamas.
“If Israel is lost, it won’t be due to lack of support from the US.”
It will be because Iran is allowed to get nukes.
We’ll give Israel all the support in the world while we allow her enemies to assemble a nuclear arsenal.
That’s how we’ll “support” Israel.
And 90% of the American Jews voted for him. It is hard to make ‘money changers’ see the truth.
Obama? Lie? You are aware of the fact that this miracle from heaven is incapable of lying and is, in the eyes of the vast unwashed throng who voted for him, a messiah!
How wonderful it was to see Obomba and his warthog smile and play kissy-face with the Bushes as they were led into and through their new palace.
American Jews behave like lemmings I think.
So how do you stop them from getting nukes? Pakistan has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China has nukes.
Israel will never go down without a fight. I hope it develops its own economic legs because the USA is an unreliable, manipulative, and meddlesome ally, and has been for some time. It has been an uneasy partnership on both sides, actually.
Have you learned nothing from the last 8 years. Your perceived strengths are your greatest weakness. Obama will embolden the Islamic Radicals. The goal of the Islamic Radicals is the destruction of Israel (I have illustrated below why, There can never be peace).
On 9-11, America was viciously attacked by radical Jihadists, Muslim men that were willing to kill themselves in an attempt to inflict as much harm as possible on Americans. The strongest army in the world cannot compete with that derangement.
Why did these 19 middle aged, middle income, men do it?
The destruction of Isreal is the common thread. Two state solution has been offered and rejected.
There is a great scene in the movie Independence day when the President is talking to one of the Alien invaders.. I have modified it slightly to illustrate the point between Radical Islamists and the West.
President:.... can make a truce. can we find a way to Co-exist. can there be a peace between us?
Jihadi: Peace? NO PEACE!
President: What is it you want us to do?
Jihadi: Die…die…
and those facts were proven on 9-11. How many more must die before we understand the shock of the reality.
For the first time in my adult life, I am scared for my country.
Don't confuse “support”, which is nothing but words, with acting. Obama will unilaterally screw up the middle east, embolden Israels enemies, and stand by when it is destroyed, while engaging in diplomacy. Ask Slow Joe Biden.
0bama=Abortion
Well said. You know your history.
Have you learned nothing from the past 60 years that Israel has been a nation? The destruction of Israel has always been the goal of Islamic radicals and some not so radical.
On 9-11, America was viciously attacked by radical Jihadists, Muslim men that were willing to kill themselves in an attempt to inflict as much harm as possible on Americans. The strongest army in the world cannot compete with that derangement.
Islamic suicide bombers were attacking Israel long before 9/11. And have you forgotten the suicide attacks on our embassies in East Africa and the USS Cole, among others? bin Laden declared war against the US in his 1996 fatwa. Khomeini began the modern Islamic fundamentalist movement that spawned state sponsorship of terrorism.
How many more must die before we understand the shock of the reality..
What do you think our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, in the Horn of Africa, the Philippines, etc. are doing? Who are they fighting? We are very engaged in the WOT, which will go on a long time probably over generations. This is reality.
The US has provided Israel with over $100 billion in assistance since its inception as a nation. We have supplied them with top of the line military equipment and technology. We have used our veto in the UN security council more than 30 times to stop sanctions and resolutions against Israel. Israel's enemies don't need to be emboldened.
Speaking totally hypothetically, what would happen if Israel was wiped off the map and the Islamists filled the void. What would the actual difference be to Americans living in the USA?
Here, let me fix this for you...
The loss of Israel will be the Obama American Jewish voters' legacy.
In this Jew's eyes, far more accurate. After all, anyone with the slightest bit of sense who bothered to look into Obama's associations would and should have known his views towards Israel. But they deluded themselves.
Mark
I agree with everything you said except you missed the Premise...
One man has stood for Liberty and Freedom in this world since 911. One man has taken it personally, One man has protected this nation from another attack. One man, I would argue, has become as rigid and steadfast in Conviction as the very enemy we face.
Now its time to turn over the torch, but who is this new man that we entrust so much to? You have no idea, howerver, your last post attempted to create a further illusion that he is a friend of Isreal, he may have surrounded himself with many who are but his allegience to Anti-semites and radical leftists that see Isreal as the problem tell me something completely different about him.
When he makes all this CHANGE... What possibly can he say to the family’s of those American Citizens who will be the next victims of the Jihad?
To: kabar
“So how do you stop them from getting nukes? Pakistan has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China has nukes.”
You obviously don’t stop them by asking them to stop. We’ve “asked” every one of those countries to cease & desist with their nuke program. Played footsie with “sanctions”. Honor treaties they’ve signed. What’s the result?
You let the world know that the US &/or Israel is willing to use force to “dissuade” Iran from their current course. And that if we discover they have nuke war heads, they ought to be looking over their shoulders 24/7, b/c we will do everything is our power to disarm them. And then you make it obvious that, unlike those other countries, you’re as good as your word.
Of course, this will never happen. Because we are NOT as “good as our word”. If we were, Iran/NK would not have advanced nuke programs. And we would not be posting about this.
Which is why saying we “support Israel” is a meaningless, empty phrase. Which was my point.
... LOL... You obviously forgot to get your history lessons.
If that were allowed to happen.....
WE WOULD BE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!
One man is not going to CHANGE our strategic and bilateral relationship with Israel. Congress will have a major say and Obama is far more concerned about keeping his political power than bucking the Congress and the public on support of Israel. My point is that no matter who is President, our foreign policy towards Israel will remain essentially the same.
Those that voted for Obama will get everything they deserve, unfortunately the rest of us will get it to.
Exactly what IS our relationship with Israel? Please explain this as it is, IMHO, somewhat ambiguous.
Exactly what's the plan we have to GUARENTEE Israel’s survival?
Your position is defying logic the left owns the Government.
Obama doesn’t have to make drastic change to cause the destruction of Israel.
The Obama presidency itself is already being seen as weak by our enemies, weakness invites agression. Will Obama’s response be strong and decisive, will Obama use pre-emption, NO, and Hell No. When has Obama ever made that point?
He is full of grey areas and nuance positioning.
Note Joe Biden’s moment of candor in the campaign. Obama will be tested.
So I will say again. The legacy of Obama will be the destruction of the Jewish state of Isreal.
When they are again emboldened to attack Israel, they will get another @$$-whipping.
We already have sanctions on Iran and have said, including Obama, that we have ruled out no option in stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. The Russians are building the Iranian nuclear facilities and there are indications the Chinese and NK are providing some assistance.
Of course, this will never happen. Because we are NOT as “good as our word”. If we were, Iran/NK would not have advanced nuke programs. And we would not be posting about this.
If "good as our word" means a US preemptive military attack against Iran, then we must consider the consequences of attacking this nation of 66 million people, which sits next to one of the world's most important waterways, the Stait of Hormuz, through which passes about a quarter of the world's exportable oil. We must also consider what such an attack would do to our efforts in Iraq, in the region, and in Afghanistan. Would this inflame radicals to attack US interests, facilities, and personnel?
And how effective would such an attack be? Would we be able to take out those scattered, deeply bunkered facilities with just an air attack? What if North Korea, China, or Pakistan decided to sell nuclear material or even nuclear weapons to Iran?
I don't know if you have ever been in a war zone or been shot at or rocketed, but in order to carry out such attacks, we will be putting our fellow Americans in harm's way. Does the reward outweigh the risk?
Which is why saying we “support Israel” is a meaningless, empty phrase. Which was my point.
Give me a break. The US has been Israel's trongest supporter and ally. We have provided over $100 billion in assistance with Israel being the single largest recipient of foreign aid for many years. We have provided top of the line military equipment and technology to Israel. Our support of Israel is unquestioned both in words and actions.
I do not favor an overt attack against Iran. We would be far better off supporting covertly those forces within and outside Iran that want to topple the regime. The Iranian economy is in shambles. There is a huge brain drain from Iran. The mullahs would love a US attack, which provide them with a necessary diversion from their domestic problems. I support US strategic interests including where they diverge from Israel's. Ultimately, every nation must look out for its own interests.
I'm not talking biblically. What if there was no non-muslim presence in the middle east? What would they have to complain about?
Exactly what IS our relationship with Israel? Please explain this as it is, IMHO, somewhat ambiguous.
Commitment to Israel's security and well being has been a cornerstone of U.S. policy in the Middle East since Israel's founding in 1948, in which the United States played a key supporting role. Israel and the United States are bound closely by historic and cultural ties as well as by mutual interests. Continuing U.S. economic and security assistance to Israel acknowledges these ties and signals U.S. commitment. The broad issues of Arab-Israeli peace have been a major focus in the U.S.-Israeli relationship. U.S. efforts to reach a Middle East peace settlement are based on UN Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and have been based on the premise that as Israel takes calculated risks for peace the United States will help minimize those risks.
On a bilateral level, relations between the United States and Israel are continually strengthening in every field. In addition to the Joint Political-Military Group described above, there are: bilateral science and technology efforts (including the Binational Science Foundation and the Binational Agricultural Research and Development Foundation); the U.S.-Israeli Education Foundation, which sponsors educational and cultural programs; the Joint Economic Development Group, which maintains a high-level dialogue on economic issues; the Joint Counterterrorism Group, designed to enhance cooperation in fighting terrorism; and a high-level Strategic Dialogue that meets biannually.
For more information about our bilateral relationship: Israel
Exactly what's the plan we have to GUARENTEE Israel’s survival?
Specifically, what do you mean about a plan? We don't have a mutual defense agreement with Israel like the NATO charter that an attack against one of the members is viewed as an attack against all. Nor is the US committed to "guarantee" Israel's survival.
I am not talking biblically either.
Where did that come from?
Your position to me, is much like saying, What if Hitler was allowed to control Europe? or Stalin allowed to Control Europe or IOW what if there were no Democracies in Europe.
History shows that the simple answer is not (What would they have to complain about?) the answer is
WHO WOULD BE NEXT.
My answer to that is US.
Hell, Biden wants to put NATO troops [under the auspices of NATO] in the region as peacekeepers. That will never happen.
Israel will survive Obama. It is the US I am worried about.
I agree with you that our relationship with Israel per se will not change.
But if O acts conciliatory toward Syria, Iran and other countries that support and harbor terrorists, it will embolden those nations and put Israel on the defensive.
The anti-Israel nations would love to triangulate Israel. O’s conciliatory policies will give that appearance, even if not the reality. Bush wouldn’t play their game.
This has become a typical, trademark Obama move. Say one thing, do another. Say the more pleasing thing, take action in the opposite direction. And the MSM still worships their idol as if he could do no wrong.
Of course Israel can defend itself and yes the support it receives from the U.S. will not drastically change.
My opinion is based soley on the way our enemies and the enemies of Israel will perceive the election Of Obama.
Jihadists are emboldened more today then anytime post 9-11. They see weakness, and withedraw in America and as they implement their version of the final solution, how strong of a response will Obama bring. He has given no one in America the Comfort that he will stand and show conviciton when the time comes. His own nuance about unconditionally meeting with rogue leaders and his vivid complaints about our allies sends the exact wrong message.
Again... Change, change, change... Implementing change he must be held accountable for the results.
Obama will learn the hard way as did Clinton and so many other Presidents, that personality alone cannot resolve the problems of the Middle East. It is tar baby that eventually ensnares all who try.
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