All hail our Comrade Dear Leader Obama!
Posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:22 AM PST by Perseverando
Obama will consider combat positions and selective service registration for women
The female college students who enthusiastically supported Barack Obama for president might not know that he wants women to register with the Selective Service at age 18, just as men do. Or that he wants the military to officially open combat positions to women.
Although the topic was drowned out by campaign rhetoric and statements on policies that college students find more congenial, his position on registration of women is clear. And Obama’s national security spokeswoman stated before the election that Obama intended to change current policies on women in combat. Women are “already” serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Wendy Morigi, Mr. Obama's national security spokeswoman. If elected president, she said, Obama will “consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain."
In other words, he wants to eliminate gender discrimination from the armed services. No doubt president-elect Obama views both of these stances as leveling the playing field for women, an extension of the equal opportunity he wants to create for all Americans.
And maybe this is a plank that today’s 18-year-old females think is cool.
I don’t. Senator Obama’s two positions threaten women’s liberty and safety.
I can agree with the Senator, and feminists, to a point. No one should be disqualified from a position based solely on sex. However, there is at least one big problem with opening combat positions to women – currently, women do not have to meet lower physical fitness standards than men. The military’s tests for strength, speed and stamina are scaled according to age and gender. In direct combat, having women who are weaker and slower than men could be disastrous.
According to the 1992 report of a presidential commission on women in the armed forces, most women fall far below most men in meeting such standards. “In terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median,” the report said. “The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man.”
Current Department of Defense restrictions on women in combat units – including tank, field artillery and Special Forces – exist for good reasons. Most women don't have the upper-body strength to haul heavy weapons or wounded team members. Under field conditions, they lack the stamina of most men. In general, women are shorter, lighter, and slower than their male counterparts.
And the field of combat is not designed for affirmative action. The desert is not more forgiving to women than to men. Gunfire will not slow down for a woman who can’t run as fast as a man. Individuals who cannot meet the standards set for the most able soldiers will not perform as well. Holding women to lower standards than men puts them at a disadvantage on the battlefield, particularly in the offensive operations or “direct ground combat” from which they are currently barred.
But no woman (or man) exists as a generality. Many experts agree that some women have the physical strength and endurance to be combat soldiers. Women who are strong enough and fast enough, physically and mentally, for participation on the front lines shouldn’t be barred based on gender.
Department of Defense tests should be objective measures based on the requirements of the job. Women who cannot meet those standards would be safer and more effective elsewhere. And for those women who can meet objective standards, lowering the bar is merely insulting.
Opponents of women in combat insist that challenges would arise from having women in combat units, but the preponderance of military divisions have already met those challenges. The US military is still the most effective in the world.
A real step forward for women would be to remove both the current restrictions on combat and the affirmative action that endangers them on the battlefield.
Opening the door to the draft would not accomplish much for women, either. Although Obama does not explicitly favor a draft, his proposal to register women as well as men moves us further in that direction. I oppose registration for both men and women.
Conscription is bad policy for a number of reasons. Branches of the armed services, having tried it both ways, strongly prefer an all-volunteer force, according to the Army Times. Many high-ranking officers in the military explain that motivated volunteers perform much better than indifferent draftees. Moreover, morale is far better when all involved feel strongly that they are engaged in a noble and chosen pursuit than when they are forced to participate in an activity they would not choose.
Most importantly, the draft is involuntary servitude – regardless of gender. The very concept of conscription, or even registration with the Selective Service, is incompatible with the principle of liberty. Years ago, economist Milton Friedman famously campaigned against the draft in his Newsweek column. He argued that it was not only uneconomical but that it violates the Constitution. Requiring women to register for selective service would simply make more people susceptible to the injustice it inflicts on those who are drafted.
So, in answer to Senator Obama’s offer, I have one reply: “no deal.”
I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?
“I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?”
...I don’t believe that non-citizens are required to register.
The Israelis have had women subject to the draft and have had them serve in combat for a long time now. How is it working out for them?
Well, according to the Obots I have tried to point this out to, “he doesn’t really mean it, it’s just words...”
That’s gonna leave a mark
:)
Are you joking? No way he, or his children, will ever register. That would be punishment.
Does this apply to his civilian, thug force as well?
The topic wasn’t drowned out by campaign rhetoric, it was purposely ignored by a media that was so far in the tank that it’s never going to be able to get out.
I say we don ponytails, wear birkenstocks, not bathe for 3 weeks, and give them a dose of their own medicine. “Hey hey ho ho, Obamachimp has got to go!”
> Well, according to the Obots I have tried to point this
> out to, “he doesn’t really mean it, it’s just words...”
Wait till they get their draft notices.
If I remember correctly, it was President Nixon, a Republican, that ended the draft.
This is why obama wants to built a UN style “civilian military” equal to the military. He will use the new military to social engineer and surpress AMERICANS, and then defund the real military.
Good one!
(In the immortal words of the MSM, ‘Obama is evolving’, so no matter what he says or does, it’s okay.) Well, there’s the old bait and switch strategy to be considered, which he’ll be using it in short order and to maximum effect. The public will be horrified at one proposal he makes, whereupon he’ll adopt a second one, the one he really wanted all the time and only slightly less ruinous. The dolts who elected him will be thrilled.
I’m having this recurring nightmare: that we’ll never have an honest Presidential election again. I could describe the players behind Obama’s victory, but you already know who they are and what they’re up to. How in the world do we defeat them, especially when they’ve infiltrated the public school systems from top to bottom? One thing is sure, we need help from an honest MSM.
Armed students in the USA would be an excellent idea. As long as they are not Brown Shirt militia.
As long as they are not Brown Shirt militia.
yeah well you can’t get everything you wish for
“I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?”
Even if someone looked into this (which will never happen) Obama will be able to show “proof” he did.
Women in the military is a mixed bag for me, I served on my ships with them and they were not all bad.
To me, for the few that were good, I seen a lot of wasted time, money, and effort go into training most of them, only to see them not make it to the end of thier first hitch.
They either got pregnant, have sex (causing big problems), have a medical conditions, Don’t get along with each other, etc..
I know things are supposedly better now. I admit I did see progress.
I did’nt like the social engineering crowd meddling with something that was’nt broken. To me this was not anything like allowing blacks to serve alongside whites. To me it was also ethical and moral, “what if she’s pregnant and dose’nt know it yet?”. Women should not be drafted.
the whole point of the female draft, in case you haven’t realized, is to defeminize women. All part of marxist social engineering.
That might be a good idea when we are surrounded by enemies and outnumbered twenty to one. To answer your question, it’s been a mixed bag for Israel. In practice, a female simply tells her draft board she is religious and is exempted from military service.
“Well, according to the Obots I have tried to point this out to, ‘he doesn’t really mean it, it’s just words....’”
But wasn’t it their hero who said that words have meaning?
To expand on your point, this is also not similar to racial integration because females are held to much lower physical fitness, height and weight standards. This degrades the capability of the force.
I enthusiastically support drafting EVERY single female who voted for Nobama. If they can’t fight, they can cook and clean.
Somehow I don’t think the young lady on the left is meeting the minimum run time on her two miles. Where is this photo from?
Those are Israeli students in Israel buying ice cream.
“the whole point of the female draft, in case you haven’t realized, is to defeminize women. All part of marxist social engineering.”
Now I’m confused. The left has been feminizing men for about two generations. Now they want to masculinize women? What are they after, a population of asexual robots? I think I just answered my own question.
1. Enact the strictest nastiest most punitive firearms ban possible.
2. Weaken the military by any possible means. Cut the budget, cut personnel, force good officers out, promote thug loyalists, give the military as many missions as possible every where possible and weaken it and waste resources and personnel.
3. Cut funds to all National Guard units. Try to get people to quit.
4. While all this is going on, the Thug Units are being trained to military standards with unlimited funding. When their training is complete they will be given peace officer powers of arrest and supplied with state of the art military grade firearms, vehicles and aircraft and other assorted items and hardware as necessary.
5. Some sort of "crisis" will be engineered by the Obamunists and the Thugs units will be deployed "for our own protection." The coup will then be complete and the final nail in Democracy's coffin will have been driven.
Abslolutly, however I have to admit being an electronics type (FC) did not require the same attributes as a cmbat Marine. I have seen some women in certain ratings,(Professions) excel.
DO I think it’s worth all the trouble? Tough call.
If forced for an answer, I’d have to say no.
But mostly because of the moral ethical dilemma.
yup, exactly. They want a total breakdown of traditional values so that they can mold people into whatever they want.
THis is mandatory sex change equivalent. Agenda of the gays and communist incompletes.
I’d agree, except as a soldier, I don’t worry about training at Fort Bragg or even service in Iraq. I think the benchmark ought to be worst case; a Pusan Perimeter or Tet Offensive. My experience is the girls won’t hack it without the shower for a month. For the Navy, I’d suggest worst case damage control, even while fighting against an equivalent surface foe. I understand we rule the seas; that may not always be so.
Interesting. Well, at least they’ll understand the difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle, which puts them ahead of DiFi and Babs Boxer.
Yup... turn them into camo-clad postal workers.
Exactly. And you can bet Obama would use that reason; if he was asked to register.
The draft board has no idea what barry dunhams real name is nevermind his citizenship status.
I think women do a wonderful job in the military — but I wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with a woman with PMS.
His chief of staff will be Rahm Emmanuel who served in the Israeli Army alongside women, who are required by Israel to serve. No surprise here.
Here’s some equal pay that feminists can celebrate.
“currently, women do not have to meet lower physical fitness standards than men. The military’s tests for strength, speed and stamina are scaled according to age and gender.”
When people in an organization are capable of regarding the above as a truthful, proper statement they then are no longer fully auditing reality.
I agree it was supposedly the single woman who voted for him in mass. Let them now serve him. I wonder if it will be all races of single women he oks.
Better check your facts. Although women are drafted into the Israeli military, they have not served in combat positions since 1950.
Then on July 2, 1980, President Jimmy Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18-26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960.
I was in the Army and saw the same thing.
Sorry about that. Wikipedia confirms what you're saying although the article states that women served up until 1956.
See, unlike our president-elect, I apologize in public for my mouth-footing. :)
Women in combat are safer than anyone in Chicago based on the number of murders in Chicago this year.
Perhaps the best indicator of intent can be found on the Selective Service web site. The on-line registration form
https://www.sss.gov/RegVer/wfRegistration.aspx
The first question clearly asks the gender of the applicant. If there were no intention of including women in the draft why would this question be asked?
No problem. Just wanted to clear up a common misconception. Unfortunately, all of us have some. We're human, after all.
Non-Citizens are rquired to register.
From the SSS web site:
“ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!
If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.
Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it’s too late!
Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering with Selective Service. Do it today.”
www.sss.gov
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