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Why 'born-again' Christians are backing Obama
One News Now ^ | October 30, 2008 | Jim Brown

Posted on 10/30/2008 7:20:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Despite Barack Obama's approval of abortion and homosexual activism, new polling by a prestigious Christian research group indicates that the Democratic presidential nominee is making significant inroads among voters who are classified as "born-again" Christians.

The Barna Group for research says Obama is statistically tied (43 percent to 45 percent) with Republican John McCain among born-again Christian voters. "Born-again Christians" are defined by Barna as people who say they have made a personal commitment to Jesus and believe they will go to heaven because they have confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. Based on that definition, 48 percent of all voters in this election will be "born-again" Christians.

Meantime, Barna says 63 percent of "evangelicals" are supporting McCain, while 23 percent are supporting Obama. "Evangelicals" meet the "born-again" criteria, plus seven other conditions, including the belief that salvation is only possible through grace, not works.

According to Dave Kinnaman, president of The Barna Group, born-again Christians voting for Obama say they are backing the Illinois senator because they believe he will do a better job restoring America's reputation and handling the economy and agree with his stance on the Iraq War.

"People in their 20s or 30s who are born-again Christian are more likely to support Senator Obama than Senator McCain, compared to people who are older born-again Christians, who are more likely to support the Arizona senator," he explains. "So, when you look at it, it's a pretty complex set of reasons, and each person comes to this voting decision with their own unique sensibility, but what's interesting is the Christian community, compared to previous elections, is more open to this Democratic candidate than we've seen in at least the last couple national elections."

Kinnaman says it is important to keep in mind that only one in every ten voters is an evangelical Christian with a biblical worldview and understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; antichrist; bornagain; christians; christianvote; election; elections; evangelicals; godgap; hypnosis; leadtheflockastray; mccain; obama; religiousleft; secularhumanism
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Huh? Someone please explain this nonsense to me.
1 posted on 10/30/2008 7:20:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Total crap


2 posted on 10/30/2008 7:21:47 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Jim Brown” The name is suspect...of Clev. Browns fame?


3 posted on 10/30/2008 7:22:30 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll believe it when I see it. I saw this story before but I don’t know any Baptists who aren’t black who are supporting Obama.


4 posted on 10/30/2008 7:22:49 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If true, apostasy.


5 posted on 10/30/2008 7:22:51 PM PDT by Salamander (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/?c=Obama)
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To: DAC21

No way this is true—just speaking on Obama’s abortion stance alone...this is BS


6 posted on 10/30/2008 7:23:41 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wish they’d do a poll showing how people who wear Size 9W shoes are breaking. I don’t know who to vote for!


7 posted on 10/30/2008 7:23:51 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t believe it. Obama is a radical secular progressive who attended a black liberation hate church. He is the most pro-abortion candidate ever, including Hillary Clinton. No f*cking way born-again Christians are supporting this clown.


8 posted on 10/30/2008 7:24:01 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

oxymoron.


9 posted on 10/30/2008 7:24:13 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No freaking way. This is total Bravo Sierra.


10 posted on 10/30/2008 7:24:25 PM PDT by tatown
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bullsh*t - another diversion tactic


11 posted on 10/30/2008 7:24:46 PM PDT by Kukai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If true they have become apostate and fallen away.


12 posted on 10/30/2008 7:24:51 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is the young EVs, they are very much into the green movement, anti-war and social justice issues. The Left has done a great job of infiltrating the EV movement and setting up alternative churches for young people, convincing them that it is more important to be involved in the earthly issues.


13 posted on 10/30/2008 7:25:10 PM PDT by redangus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hokum.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

14 posted on 10/30/2008 7:25:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t get it, either. How does one have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him and support the platform of killing unborn children?

This I will never ever understand. :^(


15 posted on 10/30/2008 7:25:26 PM PDT by Shelayne (Pray without ceasing. Pray the Lord's Hand in our election process.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do NOT believe this for a nano second!


16 posted on 10/30/2008 7:25:37 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its BS. Born agains are not going to vote for an infanticidal maniac.


17 posted on 10/30/2008 7:25:56 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Allow me.
"born again Christians for Obama" is akin to "disgruntled Republicans for Obama". The former are neither born again nor Christians, and the latter are as Republican as Lincoln Chafee.
18 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:05 PM PDT by jla (Sarah!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I can't explain it, but can suggest that Barna has an agenda to make "born again" Christians look morally indistinguishable from non-Christians. It permeates everything he writes.

In order to promote his agenda, he defines "Christian worldview" in a very tight way, then proceeds to show that very few Christians have such a worldview.

I am surrounded by Christians who belie what he says.

19 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:43 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can't explain nonsense just accept that it's nonsensical. Eveangelicals are McCains best demographic, he will win there by 30 points at a minimum.

Now my fellow Catholics? They are problematical. God forgive me for the words that just crossed my mind.

20 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (It's the Marxism Stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama has set up all these phony so called born again websites and groups .
These are far left wing nutjobs trying to suckering people into voting for the Messiah because everyone else is doing it.
Its called a scam.
Rush was talking about the hundreds of paid bloggers peddling every angle to fool Repub into staying home or voting for the Marxist .
Its psychological warfare to depress and confuse your enemy. Its a scam.
21 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:51 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why 'born-again' Christians are backing Obama

No, those are "still-born Christians".
22 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:51 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Martians for Obama endorses this poll.


23 posted on 10/30/2008 7:26:55 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll explain it. They take EVERYBODY who goes to ANY church with the name Methodist, Baptist, Free Will, etc. and lump them ALL into the “evangelical Christian” category when many, like the United Methodist Church and the United Churches of Christ and others are NOT evangelical in nature but rather social clubs where “spirituality” is preached but not Jesus.


24 posted on 10/30/2008 7:27:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

It’s the indoctrination they get in these youth groups. These are very foolish, gullible, and often stupid types. It’s not the old time religion I grew up with where you were taught to think. It’s sad to say many of these young folks are the types than in a different time and a different circumstance might have been followers of Jim Jones or the Hale Bop Comet. Some feel that in some strange way they can be absolved of their liberal guilt by voting for a minority or black. That’s the appeal sad to say. They simply aren’t very bright people. It’s as simple as that.


25 posted on 10/30/2008 7:27:10 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yep Obama’s so awesome even the bitter clingers love him.


26 posted on 10/30/2008 7:27:20 PM PDT by redk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some people call those type of Christians who support Obamadan luke warm or backslidden Christians. Others call them faux Christians, as they make their calim to be a Christian because their mothers were Christians. Even yet others just lie like Obamadan of Ramadan on the telephone surveys


27 posted on 10/30/2008 7:27:20 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: yldstrk
This propaganda effort, surely was written by Obama Campaign operative. It IS total crap. . .
28 posted on 10/30/2008 7:27:54 PM PDT by cricket (America's Freedom Rings! Thank You ~ U..S.A. Military~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Although I have nothing to link you to, to back this up, I would venture a guess that the denominations and churches that have the closest relationship with the World Council of Churches, are the ones guilty of backing Obama.

The World Council of Churches has been a very corrosive influence on Christianity in the United States. It’s basically a subversive, some would say communist front organization, intent on neutralizing the voice of good Christians in the United States.

A careful study of the WCOC and it’s web of influence on our nations denominations, is worthy of pursuit.

I believe that would help to explain what is going on here.

If your church has a relationship with the WCOC, I would advise you to try get it severed.


30 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:05 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Our nation is uncomfortably close to having B.O. We need to use a Republican roll on by 11/04.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They used to call this “marketing.” Now it’s called “journalism.”


31 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:18 PM PDT by MNnice (Da ma Dakota)
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To: HerrBlucher

Born again Christians support the lions . It’s just as stupid..


32 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:24 PM PDT by fantom
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To: Salamander

If true, they haven’t read and understood the Bible. They are just into “born again” for the kicks and self-congratulatory warm fuzzies.

If I remember right, the Bible has something to say about them, and it isn’t very positive... something like “not all who...”.

You all who have read, have eyes to see and ears to hear, will know what I am talking about.


33 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:24 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: Maelstorm
I know of a number of both Baptists and Catholics who are democrat first and the majority are voting for Bama. And no they are not black.... Who did Billy Graham support the Clintons or Bob Dole??? algore or President Bush.... Has Billy Graham spoken about this election???
34 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:24 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Shelayne

“I don’t get it, either. How does one have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him and support the platform of killing unborn children?”

Similarly, I don’t understand how someone can have the Holy Spirit dwelling within him and support the death penalty.


35 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:43 PM PDT by MetallurgicalConservative
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To: goldstategop

I just dont know any Christians in any way linked to Obamaboy. Point me to one. Muslimes yes.

Someone must think this propaganda is persuasive. Wasted their efforts.


36 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:43 PM PDT by petertare (--)
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To: Salamander

I’ve only bumped into one person out of perhaps 20, whom I believe is a Christian who indicates he supports the DNC in this election, and he bristles adamantly when somebody talks about Obama. He’s Roman Catholic, and it as though he feels betrayed by the DNC and his faith, but refuses to acknowledge the Republican ticket. Even mediocre, theologically ignorant believers I’ve met see nothing Christian in Obama’s behavior or attitude.


37 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:43 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I work for a conservative Christian company. Four years ago I’d bet it was 95:5 Bush over Kerry. This year I’d say it is closer to 70:30 McCain over Obama.

Unfortunately, I think the numbers in this poll are not far removed from reality.


38 posted on 10/30/2008 7:28:48 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No Christian worth his salt backs an abortion/infanticide loving idiot like Obama, that’s no Christian, not at all.


39 posted on 10/30/2008 7:29:09 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A few strips old board, some nails and glue, oila! you have the makings of your very own soapbox, or as we like to call it, the news. Anyone can string a few words together, post it on some 10th tier website and it becomes news. So what.


40 posted on 10/30/2008 7:29:27 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Best I can understand the article, a born-again Christian who is not an evangelical believes in salvation by works, and somehow that is translated into support for Obama. Hog wash! How can anybody call himself a born-again Christian and support abortion?

I'm not good with words but I would recommend watching this two videos, Message to Evangelicals Part 1 and Message to Evangelicals Part 2 Regardless of the titles, they apply to all born-again Christians.

41 posted on 10/30/2008 7:29:36 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Total bull!

They are REALLY desparate when they make a far fetched claim like this. There is absolutely NO ONE that's gonna believe this.

It's a nice feelin' to see 'em squirm!
42 posted on 10/30/2008 7:29:58 PM PDT by wubjo (nO Terrorists; nO Tyranny; nObama)
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To: All

Two words for them.

“Entrance Denied”


43 posted on 10/30/2008 7:30:25 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("There is a PoliticalSurge coming")
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To: redangus

You are exactly right. There has been a strong left move among younger evangelicals.


44 posted on 10/30/2008 7:30:30 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s nonsense, unless they are including Black Christians in the calculation.


45 posted on 10/30/2008 7:30:42 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Poppycock!


46 posted on 10/30/2008 7:31:12 PM PDT by fuzzybutt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s total crap. I don’t believe those figures for a single second.


47 posted on 10/30/2008 7:31:34 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why doesn't some one just say it?

Black Evangelicals are probably supporting 0bama in significant numbers. The black "born-again" Christians I personally know have ardently stated to me they are going to vote for him.

48 posted on 10/30/2008 7:31:42 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Total nonsense. I don’t believe this for a minute.


49 posted on 10/30/2008 7:31:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: cdga5for4

What are you basing this on?

Furthermore, you say your estimate is 70-30 McCain. Yet you say that poll (which is basically even) is not far from reality. Well, 70-30 and tied is a pretty big difference. Explain that.


50 posted on 10/30/2008 7:31:52 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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