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Checks on 'Joe' more extensive than first acknowledged (Outrageous)
Columbus Dispatch ^ | 10/29/08 | Randy Ludlow

Posted on 10/29/2008 5:45:26 PM PDT by pissant

Tax, welfare info also sought on McCain ally

A state agency has revealed that its checks of computer systems for potential information on "Joe the Plumber" were more extensive than it first acknowledged.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, disclosed today that computer inquiries on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher were not restricted to a child-support system.

The agency also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes, she wrote.

Jones-Kelley made the revelations in a letter to Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris, R-Ashland, who demanded answers on why state officials checked out Wurzelbacher. Harris could not be reached for comment.

The checks were run after the news media reported that Wurzelbacher was considering buying a plumbing business with more than $250,000 in annual income, Jones-Kelley wrote.

"Given our understanding that Mr. Wurzelbacher had publicly indicated that he had the means to purchase a substantial business enterprise, ODJFS, consistent with past departmental practice, checked confidential databases ," she wrote.

"Not surprisingly, when a person behind in child support payments or receiving public assistance is receiving significant media attention which suggests that the person appears to have available financial resources, the Department risks justifiable criticism if it fails to take note and respond," Jones-Kelley wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at columbusdispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: antichrist; conspiracy; criminals; dirtytricks; joetheplumber; joneskelley; larrysinclairslover; obama; oh2008; ratcrime; wurzelbacher
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Obama's minions did the same thing to Larry Sinclair, only much worse. Yet not a single Republican official has chimed in to condemn it.
1 posted on 10/29/2008 5:45:27 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

1984 + 24 ... the world of Obama


2 posted on 10/29/2008 5:49:27 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: pissant

3 posted on 10/29/2008 5:50:06 PM PDT by NetSurfer (BO stinks.)
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To: pissant

Do we have a picture of Jones-Kelley?


4 posted on 10/29/2008 5:50:21 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: pissant

Jones-Kelly has the cart before the horse.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 5:50:41 PM PDT by thesetruths
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To: pissant

I agree, there would be no sane reason he would put his life in danger that way if the story did not have some truth to it.


6 posted on 10/29/2008 5:50:44 PM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: pissant

Democrats always do this stuff, everyone knows if you take them on they seek to ruin you. Go to any democrat controlled town, county or state and you will find very real intimidation of possible opponents. There is a lot of fear out there.

Another reason the loss of the US Attorneys offices to the democrats will be a horrible thing in most states. There will be no one to control the democrats and their wrongdoing.


7 posted on 10/29/2008 5:50:50 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: NetSurfer

It does not help us unless the MSM reports.


8 posted on 10/29/2008 5:51:41 PM PDT by ncfool (ObaBama stands for The New United Socialist State or "TNUSSA")
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To: pissant

What bastards. Someone needs to be fired and criminally prosecuted for this.


9 posted on 10/29/2008 5:52:39 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: pissant

What bugs me the most about this entire mess is that poor Joe did not search out BO, rather, BO came to his neighborhood and injected himself into the scene. Joe was there, minding his own business, and when BO offered him the chance, asked a question. Joe has been hounded and spied on and ridiculed ever since. I suspect that was the last time BO has done a walkabout without his handlers right there managing the script.


10 posted on 10/29/2008 5:52:56 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: thesetruths

Read the fine print at the end of the article. She donated the maximum $2500 to the Obama campaign earlier this year.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 5:53:02 PM PDT by laconic
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To: pissant

***The administration of Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland has said the information was not improperly shared and that there were no political motives behind the checks.***

Then how did it become PUBLIC?


12 posted on 10/29/2008 5:54:24 PM PDT by kitkat (EX DEO LIBERTAS (From God, liberty))
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To: kitkat

This is chilling.


13 posted on 10/29/2008 5:56:46 PM PDT by thesetruths
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To: pissant

Thugobama politics of personal destruction. How dare anyone axe a question to the Anointed.

Pray for W, McCuda and Our Troops


14 posted on 10/29/2008 5:57:09 PM PDT by bray (Voting for Oblack is Racist)
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To: kitkat

DING DING DING We have a WINNER!


15 posted on 10/29/2008 5:57:37 PM PDT by comps4spice (Democrats caused the current financial mess. Do we really want to give them the Oval Office?)
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To: NetSurfer
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16 posted on 10/29/2008 5:58:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Paying taxes for bank bailouts is apparently the patriotic thing to do. [/sarc])
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To: kittymyrib

Do we have a picture of Jones-Kelley?

http://www.montcsb.org/Executive_Director/director.htm


17 posted on 10/29/2008 5:58:24 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: kittymyrib

18 posted on 10/29/2008 5:59:23 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: pissant
If it's any consolation, if Obambi showed up on my front porch, I'd physically throw him off. OK, so the SS would get upset. But I will NOT have that communist step foot on my property.

I suppose that I'd get some kind of big-brother background check as well after that. Along with an arrest.

19 posted on 10/29/2008 5:59:53 PM PDT by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: pissant

Damned liars.

Joe never stated that he had $250,000 to buy a business.


20 posted on 10/29/2008 6:01:12 PM PDT by Carley (The media understands credentials but does NOT understand principles.)
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To: kitkat

Ohio Republicans need to hang this around Strickland and every state dem in Ohio until they drown in it, Ohio is full of Joe the Plumbers who understand him and should be very frightened that one who dared to speak up is pilloried in such a way by the democratic machine.


21 posted on 10/29/2008 6:04:01 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: pissant
Jones-Kelley wrote that the checks were "well-meaning" ...

BULL EXCREMENT. No NO NO. A non-criminal protocol would be to first check to see if the was in your support arrears database. Yes? Probable cause exists to proceed. NO? STOP, ELSE YOU GO TO JAIL. The crime should be "abuse of the public trust" and carry a mandatory 10 year sentence plus forfeiture of all pensions. If not, someone please write that law.

22 posted on 10/29/2008 6:06:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Colin, descending)
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To: pissant

And we’re supposed to trust them with our health care and health records?


23 posted on 10/29/2008 6:07:43 PM PDT by mikeandike
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To: Carley

Absolutely, it seemed hypothetical to me. But get real, this is Soviet stuff!


24 posted on 10/29/2008 6:08:34 PM PDT by thesetruths
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To: pissant

Someone way higher up the ladder than this woman, ordered this check...it is evident Obama has lemmings set up all over the nation to do whatever needs to be done as soon as they receive their ‘mission orders’.


25 posted on 10/29/2008 6:08:46 PM PDT by top 2 toe red ("The 'Women' of the View"___Elizabeth, three lipstick wearing Pigs & one swiveled up old Buzzard!)
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To: kitkat; comps4spice

Welcome to OHIO, Toledo, Ohio. The sad thing is that this is the norm here.


26 posted on 10/29/2008 6:09:12 PM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE and the death of freedom)
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To: aft_lizard

Strickland will escape unscathed. It appears his AG’s office was also involoved and we’re not hearing jack squat about that. He sat on his hands while Marc Dann corrupted the office of AG, he won’t do anything now.


27 posted on 10/29/2008 6:10:02 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: pissant
"Not surprisingly, when a person behind in child support payments or receiving public assistance is receiving significant media attention which suggests that the person appears to have available financial resources, the Department risks justifiable criticism if it fails to take note and respond," Jones-Kelley wrote.

She had NO reason to believe he owed any child support or received public assistance.

28 posted on 10/29/2008 6:12:54 PM PDT by bluegirl
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To: pissant

Sieg Heil (what we should all shout whenever Obama speaks). I’ll be there at the Inaugeration, either with the proper cheer and stiff-arm salute for the national socialist ... or more likely with the biggest grin of my life and hands sore from clapping if the military hero wins.


29 posted on 10/29/2008 6:12:56 PM PDT by MathDoc (I'm Joe the Plumber's friend, and I vote)
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To: meyer
if Obambi showed up on my front porch, I'd physically throw him off.

I'll be doing just that with any of his "in your face doorknockers" if they dare go beyond my Nobama sign.

30 posted on 10/29/2008 6:17:12 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Cuba got "Change"...in 1959)
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To: Carley

Joe the Plumber needs to sue Jones-Kelly in Civil court, and if there is any objective prosecutor in the state she will also be charged criminally.

There is NO WAY this is normal procedure, or even allowable.


31 posted on 10/29/2008 6:18:55 PM PDT by NDpapajoe ("Our Country isn't what it once was" -- --Hopey Changerton 8-2008 speaking to a 7-yr-old little girl)
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To: pissant

Let me guess.....Jones-Kelley is a liberal democrat?


32 posted on 10/29/2008 6:22:58 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: meyer
But I will NOT have that communist step foot on my property.

It's not your property. It belongs to society. Obama says so, the Congress backs him up, and the IRS is carrying guns to prove it.
33 posted on 10/29/2008 6:26:57 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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To: pissant
She donated the maximum $2,500 this year to the Obama campaign.

Apparetnly Mr. Ludlow can't even get the basic, well-known facts straight.

If he doesn't know the maxixmum is $2,300 why should we believe the rest of his story?

34 posted on 10/29/2008 6:27:48 PM PDT by CaptRon (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Racer1

better yet- any contact info???


35 posted on 10/29/2008 6:32:58 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: pissant
"Given our understanding that Mr. Wurzelbacher had publicly indicated that he had the means to purchase a substantial business enterprise, ODJFS, consistent with past departmental practice, checked confidential databases ,"

I am speachless.

36 posted on 10/29/2008 6:36:35 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: pissant

So when do we run Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro and all the gasbag liar’s other aliases through a government computer to see what kind of crap He has been up to for the last 47 years?


37 posted on 10/29/2008 6:37:03 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: pissant

Sue Baby Sue!


38 posted on 10/29/2008 6:37:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: pissant

This is exactly why the government should never be allowed to keep databases on people, or put up surveillance cameras on the streets and other public places.

Americans have a RIGHT to privacy, not a ‘oh as long as you don’t speak up we’ll ignore you’ to privacy.


39 posted on 10/29/2008 6:38:41 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: pissant
"Given our understanding that Mr. Wurzelbacher had publicly indicated that he had the means to purchase a substantial business enterprise, ODJFS, consistent with past departmental practice, checked confidential databases ," she wrote.

Well then, given that official explanation, we can suppose that Ms. 0bamaite also checked their databases for Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and any other person that have made public indications of sufficient wealth to buy a business.

Her explanation is the lamest CYA I've ever heard. Apparently, anyone with money in Ohio is immediately suspected of cheating the state out of a "fair" share (as defined by Karl Marx 0bama) of the state's piece of that evil rich person's pie.

40 posted on 10/29/2008 6:39:40 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
So when do we run Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro and all the gasbag liar’s other aliases through a government computer to see what kind of crap He has been up to for the last 47 years?

Your screen name cuts to the chase....sorry, Charlie.

41 posted on 10/29/2008 6:40:33 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Cuba got "Change"...in 1959)
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To: pissant

If you think it’s bad now - the way they went after a private citizen - wait until he’s elected.


42 posted on 10/29/2008 6:41:43 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Ayers' book "Prairie Fire" was dedicated to the assassin Sirhan Sirhan - killer of Robert Kennedy?)
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To: TruthWillWin
Let me guess.....Jones-Kelley is a liberal democrat?

No need to guess...FTA, second-to-last paragraph:

Jones-Kelly also has denied any connections between the computer checks on Wurzelbacher and her support for Obama. She donated the maximum $2,500 this year to the Obama campaign.

43 posted on 10/29/2008 6:46:37 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (Obama: The Only Senator Who Voted Against Stopping Infanticide)
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To: pissant

Send an attaboy to SD19@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Ohio Senator Bill Harris.


44 posted on 10/29/2008 6:47:04 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Infidel Puppy
It's not your property. It belongs to society. Obama says so, the Congress backs him up, and the IRS is carrying guns to prove it.

Yeah, he'd like to thing that. But if he steps foot on it, I'll still kick his scrawny little butt from one end of the county to the other. And back.

45 posted on 10/29/2008 6:47:24 PM PDT by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: meyer
You have to fence and post your property in most urban areas to establish the idea that NO VISITORS ARE WELCOME.

Putting up a "no solicitation" sign won't cut it. You also have to make sure you have no public utilities on your property (phone, cable, water, sewer, electricity) because having such things is an invitation to inspection by the company's agents.

Presuming you did everything right and made sure you were issuing no invitations, either overtly or covertly, I suppose you could bounce Obama's butt right down your steps into the streets and the SS would tip their hats and say "g'day".

Wouldn't be prudent though.

BTW, you aren't even allowed to threaten to kill a political party campaign worker who stops by your house and knocks on the door. You shouldn't attempt to intimidate them either.

However, you can refer to another person who might have such interest should he be awakened ~ and, you can use my technique ~ learned from a local Moslem missionary who had to regularly deal with Jehovah's Witness and Mormon missionaries, invite them in for tea and a discussion. Then lock the door!

46 posted on 10/29/2008 6:56:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Carley
Not exactly "Damned liars" ~ it's that Helen Jones-Kelley is a liar, and not a very good one.

The Democrats are going to rue the day they started putting affirmative action types in the key fascist apparatchik positions in government.

The top politicians might well wonder what sort of investigations she's run on them.

47 posted on 10/29/2008 7:04:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Presuming you did everything right and made sure you were issuing no invitations, either overtly or covertly, I suppose you could bounce Obama's butt right down your steps into the streets and the SS would tip their hats and say "g'day".

...Given that Obambi is quite the fraud, it is quite possible (if not probable) that one could bounce Obama's butt down the steps and get a tip of the hat from the SS. There's a job I could NOT do. Can you imagine being an SS agent and having to protect a communist?

I won't threaten to kill them - if I intended to kill them, I'd use the element of surprise.

48 posted on 10/29/2008 7:37:03 PM PDT by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: pissant
The administration of Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland has said the information was not improperly shared and that there were no political motives behind the checks.

Most likely there was no single person behind the unethical/illegal checks in state data bases. This is worse news that it sounds. The dems have instilled a culture of "go after the enemy" in their party. It is not just the leaders of the party, like Gov. Ted Strickland, but reaches down to the lowest level government workers with access to sensitive data.

A state employee used state computers for unethical/illegal purposes. What should Gov. Strickland's response be? One would hope that he would say this is wrong, the employee will be disciplined and that policies will be reviewed. Rather, his response is a very meek, "No harm, no foul."

This is the scary part.

49 posted on 10/29/2008 7:39:50 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: bluegirl

And apparently he did NOT owe back child support, if I read the banner on the bottom of FOX news report tonight correctly.


50 posted on 10/29/2008 7:44:40 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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