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*Breaking* Bill Ayers Co-Wrote Obama’s “Memoir”
Texas Darlin ^ | 10/29/08 | Texas Darlin

Posted on 10/29/2008 2:13:09 PM PDT by pissant

Wake Up America. Barack Obama is a Fraud.

Via WorldNetDaily:

Independent scientific analysis by a number of leading experts supports the literary detective work of WND columnist Jack Cashill that has led him to conclude unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers was the primary author of important sections of Barack Obama’s highly acclaimed memoir and editor of the book as a whole.

In a new column today, according to WND, “Cashill reports four different stylometric analysts now have supported his extensive forensic evidence, and he awaits the results from a fifth.”

Cashill’s expert team includes university professors from the U.S. and England in the statistical analysis of authorship, systems engineers, writers and Ph.D. literary analysts. Most, particularly professors at public universities, asked that their names not be revealed.

Cashill cautions that the data-driven computer analysis is not foolproof, but all of the four independent tests that have been completed point to the same conclusion, that Ayers was heavily involved in the writing of “Dreams.”

One analyst, who used his own proprietary software, wrote to Cashill that there is a “strong likelihood” that the author of “Fugitive Days,” Ayers’ own memoir, ghost-wrote “Dreams From My Father” using recordings of dialog.

Cashill’s analysis is fascinating. His dozen or so columns on the topic are summarized here. An excerpt:

Sometime between 1992 and 1994, Simon & Schuster canceled the advance it had offered Obama to write “Dreams.” Obama had not been able to finish the book on his own. Ayers could help. He provided an informal editing service for like-minded friends in the neighborhood.

Fellow radical Rashid Khalidi attests to this in the very first sentence of the acknowledgements in his 2004 book, “Resurrecting Empire.” “There are many people without whose support and assistance I could not have written this book, or written it in the way that it was written,” he writes. “First, chronologically, and in other ways, comes Bill Ayers.”

Ayers and Obama have a good deal in common. Both grew up in comfortable white households and have struggled to find an identity as black men ever since. Just as Obama resisted “the pure and heady breeze of privilege” to which he was exposed as a child, Ayers too resisted “white skin privilege” or at least tried to. “I also thought I was black,” says Ayers only half-jokingly.

As part of his analysis, Cashill studied Barack Obama’s previous written works (via WND):

Cashill points out that in contrast to “Dreams,” the Obama writing samples unearthed before 1995 “are pedestrian and uninspired.”

“There is no precedent for this kind of literary transformation,” he writes.

More from the experts:

A systems engineer told Cashill, “The statistical style analysis performed by our research team suggests that the writing style of “Dreams From My Father” is significantly more similar to the style observed in “Fugitive Days” than to the style found in other works by Barack Obama such as “Audacity of Hope.”

Another analyst writes, “We strongly think this bears immediate investigation by the academic community at large as the initial data presented is highly suggestive that these two documents share large portions of authorship.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: antichrist; billayers; cashill; conspiracy; larrysinclairslover; obama
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BUSTED. Ayers and his concubine Obama are so close you have to pry them apart with a crowbar.
1 posted on 10/29/2008 2:13:10 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
I would like to agree, but this can't be right. Ayers is just a guy who lives in Obama’s neighborhood.
2 posted on 10/29/2008 2:15:26 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: pissant

four different stylometric analysts now have supported his extensive forensic evidence, and he awaits the results from a fifth.”

4 out of 4 ain’t bad so far.

if it smells like a skunk,

it’s a skunk.


3 posted on 10/29/2008 2:17:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "You know, when you can't ask a question of your leaders anymore, that gets scary,")
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To: pissant

Great, a Plagiarist and a Cheat (Biden)

Wonder who would Ghost-run the government?
No need to answer....


4 posted on 10/29/2008 2:18:16 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: pissant

I don’t see the big deal. Has anyone read a Tom Clancy novel written by Clancy in the last 10 years? I have “his” last two and they stink. It’s not Clancy.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 2:18:48 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: pissant

When you lie and it comes back in your face like this, it destroys the public’s ability to trust. If this gets wide play, Obama is going to get swept broadly.

“I didn’t know him. I was just 8.”

“Well, he did collaborate with me to write my memoir.”

*error* *error* *error* This does not compute!


6 posted on 10/29/2008 2:19:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If The One were running with an (R), imagine how the press would cut him to ribbons...)
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To: americanophile

I bet Ayers is the guy 0bama shared his toys with, too.


7 posted on 10/29/2008 2:19:46 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: pissant
according to WND

I want to believe it, but I have zero faith in the source.

8 posted on 10/29/2008 2:21:23 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: NormsRevenge
four different stylometric analysts now have supported his extensive forensic evidence, and he awaits the results from a fifth.”

Well, he deserves to get drunk after having four tests come back positive.

9 posted on 10/29/2008 2:21:35 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: pissant

I think that Obama did not write the book and the most logical person to have written is William Ayers because of their close association even though he won’t admit it.

But... Only two people know for sure and they aren’t talking so this is kind of a dead end unless we can get a draft where Ayer’s handwriting is all over it.


10 posted on 10/29/2008 2:21:44 PM PDT by Moconservative
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To: Cobra64

“I don’t see the big deal. Has anyone read a Tom Clancy novel written by Clancy in the last 10 years? I have “his” last two and they stink. It’s not Clancy.”

The big deal is the Obama lie about the casual relationship between him and the terrorist.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 2:21:57 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: griswold3
I bet Ayers is the guy 0bama shared his toys with, too.

Heck, I bet Ayers freakin' babysat him. Apparently he babysat his book - it's not that far fetched.

12 posted on 10/29/2008 2:23:03 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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To: pissant
Evidence Mounts: Ayers Co-Wrote Obama’s Dreams
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2107931/posts

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/evidence_mounts_ayers_cowrote.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2101151/posts

Who Wrote Dreams From My Father?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

http://experimentumcrucis.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-evidence-that-ayers-ghostwrote.html


Ayer's Published Dates Days since previous published date Title
6/1/2009 120.00 Race Course Against White Supremacy
2/1/2009 19.00 The Herb Kohl Reader: Awakening the Heart of Teaching
1/12/2009 46.00 Fugitive Days PA: Memoirs of an Anti-War Activist
11/26/2008 115.00 Handbook of Social Justice in Education
8/1/2008 1036.00 City Kids, City Schools: More Reports from the Front Row
2006: THE AUDACITY OF HOPE
9/15/2005 524.00 Teaching Toward Freedom
4/1/2004 180.00 Teaching the Personal and the Political: Essays on Hope and Justice
10/1/2003 510.00 On the Side of the Child: Summerhill Revisited (Between Teacher and Text, 2)
5/1/2002 150.00 Refusing Racism: White Allies and the Struggle for Civil Rights (Teaching for Social Justice, 8)
12/1/2001 30.00 Zero Tolerance Resisting the Drive for Punishment
11/1/2001 51.00 A School of Our Own: Parents, Power, and Community at the East Harlem Block School
9/10/2001 189.00 Fugitive Days
3/1/2001 270.00 To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher
6/1/2000 150.00 A Simple Justice: The Challenge of Small Schools (Teaching for Social Justice Series)
1/1/2000 300.00 Teaching from the Inside Out: The Eight - Fold Path to Creative Teaching and Living
3/1/1999 210.00 Teacher Lore: Learning from Our Own Experience
8/1/1998 60.00 Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader
6/1/1998 764.00 A Kind and Just Parent
4/17/1996 256.00 City Kids, City Teachers: Reports from the Front Row
8/1/1995 2280.00 To Become a Teacher: Making a Difference in Children's Lives
1995: DREAMS FROM MY FATHER
4/1/1989   The Good Preschool Teacher: Six Teachers Reflect on Their Lives
     
Average days w/o break 327 0.895890411
Longest break 1036 2.838356164

13 posted on 10/29/2008 2:25:19 PM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: Cobra64
I don’t see the big deal. Has anyone read a Tom Clancy novel written by Clancy in the last 10 years? I have “his” last two and they stink. It’s not Clancy.

Are you saying Bill Ayers is ghost writing for Clancy also?

14 posted on 10/29/2008 2:25:43 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: pissant

At least no one is saying that Ayers “ghost” wrote. Imagine the cries of racism.


15 posted on 10/29/2008 2:27:17 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Cobra64

LOL. No big deal? Are you f**king nuts? The Dem candidate for President had his autobiography co-written by an unrepentant terrorist who is an avowed Marxist and has a wife of similar pedigree who live down the street. The problem is proving it and this doesn’t do it.


16 posted on 10/29/2008 2:27:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: freekitty; TXRed; Free ThinkerNY; Arrowhead1952

PING


17 posted on 10/29/2008 2:28:26 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Cobra64
There are people like Chris Buckley who are supporting Obama based on the fact that he must be intelligent because his book was so well-written...if he didn't write it, then people like Chris Buckley should reconsider the basis of their support.
18 posted on 10/29/2008 2:29:34 PM PDT by madinmadtown (BO stinks....barry little x)
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To: pissant; All

"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."

YouTube Video:
The O'Reilly Factor confronts Bill Ayers:
October 24, 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3uvK9gTIY
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Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!


"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Bill Ayers' own website:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
-Bill Ayers, New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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Source: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31617_Obama_Gave_Bill_Ayers_Book_a_Rave_Review/comments/#ctop

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From The Weekly Standard, 'Barack Obama's Lost Years', 08/11/2008:

"Ayers opposes trying even the most vicious juvenile murderers as adults. Beyond that, he'd like to see the prison system itself essentially abolished. Unsatisfied with mere reform, Ayers wants to address the deeper 'structural problems of the system.' Drawing explicitly on Michel Foucault, a French philosopher beloved of radical academics, Ayers argues that prisons artificially impose obedience and conformity on society, thereby creating a questionable distinction between the 'normal' and the 'deviant.' The unfortunate result, says Ayers, is to leave the bulk of us feeling smugly superior to society's prisoners. Home detention, Ayers believes, might someday be able to replace the prison. Ayers also makes a point of comparing America's prison system to the mass-detention of a generation of young blacks under South African Apartheid. Ayers's tone may be different, but the echoes of Jeremiah Wright's anti-prison rants are plain."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2

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"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis."

Source: ABC News - Transcript: Obama and Clinton Debate, April 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2
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[Obama] is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
(article typo has Ayers instead of Obama)

In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.

The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.

The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/

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"The Small Schools Workshop was founded in 1991 at the University of Illinois at Chicago to provide support for teachers who were trying to create new smaller learning environments. Its director is Michael Klonsky, a former professor of education at UIC."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Schools_Workshop

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Some background on Bill Ayers' SDS comrade, Michael Klonsky
(Chicago Annenberg Challenge-related)

"One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 [not to be confused with Communist Party USA. CPML no longer exists, CPUSA formed decades earlier and is still around-ETL], he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.

When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago.

While driving a cab there he [Michael Klonsky] was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught.

In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000.

The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.

In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/

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In 1977, the October League was reorganized as the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) [again, not Communist Party USA (CPUSA) -ETL] and former SDS activist Michael Klonsky became party chairman. Also in 1977, Klonsky traveled to China and the CPML was recognized by the Chinese Communist Party as its official sister party in America.

(snip)

In January 1981, Michael Klonsky resigned as party chairman, and the CPML disbanded that same year.

The previous Red Encyclopedia description of the CPML was incorrectly combined with that of the Communist Party USA (Marxist-Leninist).

http://reds.linefeed.org/past.html

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From Investor's Business Daily (IBD), August 27, 2008:

"Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

One of Ayer's descriptions for a course called 'Improving Learning Environments' says prospective K-12 teachers need to 'be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and ... be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.

The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama's relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.'..."

Article: Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304729375940845

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Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
Revolution #63, October 1, 2006

Interview with Bill Ayers:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"

http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

19 posted on 10/29/2008 2:29:49 PM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: pissant

Exactly so. Obama will never distance himself from someone who has the good on him.


20 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: pissant

BTTT


21 posted on 10/29/2008 2:31:19 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Cobra64

Please rethink this. It is a big deal if true.


22 posted on 10/29/2008 2:32:31 PM PDT by LouisianaJoanof Arc (I have the *audacity* to hope America does not elect Obama!)
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To: libertarian27

He’s not a plagarist as he didn’t steal from Ayers if Ayers wrote it for him. We know the truth about their relationship will never come out unless either one of them or someone who just happened to live in the neighborhood has proof that Ayers wrote it. Why hasn’t anyone contacted his book’s editor?


23 posted on 10/29/2008 2:37:28 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (How does one win over terrorists? KILL them with UNKINDNESS)
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To: griswold3

I’m sure he shared some book royalties with Ayers, too. And if he did I’m sure he’s given him cash thus Ayers would be guilty of tax evasion. Man, these guys are so dirty they’d make old man Dailey cringe.


24 posted on 10/29/2008 2:41:24 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: El Cid
Are you saying Bill Ayers is ghost writing for Clancy also?

Uh... no. It was a parallel.

25 posted on 10/29/2008 2:44:10 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ETL

They all live in my neighborhood just blocks away.


26 posted on 10/29/2008 2:49:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: pissant
I believe it, but unless there is something more substantial, you may as well lump the analysis with The Bible Code shows on The History Channel.
27 posted on 10/29/2008 2:54:37 PM PDT by edpc
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To: ETL

Obama describes Ayers as a professor of English. He wasn’t. He was a professor (or associate professor?) of education. Why would Obama make an error like that?


28 posted on 10/29/2008 2:57:23 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: kabar
LOL. No big deal? Are you f**king nuts? The Dem candidate for President had his autobiography co-written by an unrepentant terrorist who is an avowed Marxist and has a wife of similar pedigree who live down the street. The problem is proving it and this doesn’t do it.

First of all, watch your mouth.

Second, in the scheme of things, five days before the election there are a dozen different, more important issues than Obama The Marxist Anarchist's ghostewriter.

Third, very few know who Bill Ayers is, so why connect the dots to The Marxist's book?

Forth, if McCain wanted to win this election all he has to do is show Americans that The Marxist is not a patriot. This shot should have been included in every McCain ad and plastered on billboards across the country.

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Fifth, McCain should be playing the Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleiger, and Bill Ayers tapes.

So don't lecture me about a topic that is essentially meaningless at this point in time of the campaign.

29 posted on 10/29/2008 2:59:03 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: LouisianaJoanof Arc
Please rethink this. It is a big deal if true.

1) Not if no one knows who William Ayers is.

2) McCain won't even show the Jeremiah Wright tapes nor The Marxist failing to show respect for the American Flag.

3) This Ayers ghostwriting thing will not grow legs this late in the election cycle, even if it could, there's no point if no one know that Ayers is a self described anarchist Marxist.

People need to think through reality. And the reality is that very few voters have a clue what's going on. We assume that most voters are as well informed as we are.

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30 posted on 10/29/2008 3:07:57 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ElayneJ
Obama describes Ayers as a professor of English. He wasn’t. He was a professor (or associate professor?) of education. Why would Obama make an error like that?

He said that during a debate with Hillary. I'll bet he panicked a little knowing what we all now know: how close he worked with Ayers on various radical 'education' projects (Annenberg Challenge, Small Schools Workshop, etc), and didn't want to give even the slightest hint as to the truth of the matter.

31 posted on 10/29/2008 3:09:47 PM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: aruanan
They all live in my neighborhood just blocks away.

Not exactly Mr Roger's neighborhood, is it?

32 posted on 10/29/2008 3:11:50 PM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: pissant
Cashill cautions that the data-driven computer analysis is not foolproof, but all of the four independent tests that have been completed point to the same conclusion, that Ayers was heavily involved in the writing of “Dreams.”

In order to discredit this, Obama will have to attack the very tools that Universities use to weed out plagiarism today.

Or, he's going to have to show that only HIS book was erroneously flagged by this analysis.

-PJ

33 posted on 10/29/2008 3:15:20 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Cobra64
Ha! You should try reading Clive Cussler today.

-PJ

34 posted on 10/29/2008 3:18:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Cobra64
Second, in the scheme of things, five days before the election there are a dozen different, more important issues than Obama The Marxist Anarchist's ghostewriter.

Please. If it were ever to come out in a proveable, undeniable way that Bill Ayers co-wrote Obama's autobiography, the election would be over. Ayer's would have moved from being a guy in the neighborhood to a fellow board member to now a close confidant. If you have trouble understanding that, then there is little left to discuss. Third, very few know who Bill Ayers is, so why connect the dots to The Marxist's book?

Now you are discussing methodology and process. That's not the issue between us.

Forth, if McCain wanted to win this election all he has to do is show Americans that The Marxist is not a patriot. This shot should have been included in every McCain ad and plastered on billboards across the country.

Again, irrelevant in this discussion. You indicated that it would be no big deal if it were discovered that Bill Ayers co-wrote Obama's autobiography. It would be a very big deal because it would show Obama to be a total liar and a fraud. He would lose all credibility even if Ayers was not a terrorist. It just so happens he is and Obama has not been forthcoming about this relationship from the beginning just like he has been lying about his relationship with Wright, Khalidi, Farrkhan, Rezcvo, etc.

Fifth, McCain should be playing the Jeremiah Wright, Father Pfleiger, and Bill Ayers tapes.

That is all part of the same story, Obama lying about his associations. You just don't get it.

So don't lecture me about a topic that is essentially meaningless at this point in time of the campaign.

Meaningless? If it could be proved beyond a doubt that Ayers co-wrote Obama's autobiography, it would be devastating to Obama's campaign. The operative word is prove. Again, you don't get it.

35 posted on 10/29/2008 3:22:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: americanophile

I would like to agree, but this can’t be right. Ayers is just a guy who lives in Obama’s neighborhood.”

And Michelle Nobama and Bernadette Dorhn were just “co-workers” at the same law firm.........


36 posted on 10/29/2008 3:29:44 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: FreedomProtector
So was that 1989 book the first thing Ayers published? If that's the case, he probably wasn't Obama's ghost writer.

Notice too that Ayers didn't publish his own Fugitive Days memoir until 2001 (only 189 days after publishing another project).

Obama's Dreams of My Father was published 6 years before in 1995.

If it had been the other way around -- if Ayers had written his memoir first and then Obama's came out -- it would be easier to believe that Obama had been impressed with Ayers's work and asked him to ghost his own memoir.

As it is, if the similarities are compelling (and we don't know that they are -- some of them seem pretty unexceptional), maybe Ayers liked Obama's memoir and copied from it, or maybe they had the same ghost.

But to think that Obama would let someone with little literary experience ghost his book is pretty lame. There would have been other, more experienced ghost writers and editors to choose from.

37 posted on 10/29/2008 3:29:51 PM PDT by x
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To: pissant
As a Computer Science major, one of my last projects (in 1983) was the development of a plagiary testing system that could give numerous forms of comparative analytics between 2 software programs or between 2 electronic documents (e.g. term papers). It was exceptionally powerful and could provide deep insight into the syntax (structure) and semantics (meaning). Professors were very impressed - thrilled to have such a tool. It became a tool to combat "borrowing" another’s work. I was happy to graduate after creating the monster... ;-)

The point is that there is real science in this type of analytics. It doesn’t prove conclusively that something is a knock-off, but it puts some very telling facts front-and-center for a person to use with other investigative techniques.

38 posted on 10/29/2008 3:30:17 PM PDT by uncommonsense
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To: pissant
Cashill points out that in contrast to “Dreams,” the Obama writing samples unearthed before 1995 “are pedestrian and uninspired.”

“There is no precedent for this kind of literary transformation,” he writes.

Of course there are precedents for such transformations. Look at some of the early poetry of people who went on to turn out good or even great works (not that Obama's works are great, but there have been bigger jumps from early to later works).

But we don't have to believe that Obama did all that on his own. He probably had a ghost or an editor who substantially rewrote his work. But to say that Ayers was the ghost is probably a leap too far.

Anyway, if the whole "seafaring imagery" part of Cashill's preliminary report is anything to go on, he hasn't proven anything. It's pretty lame.

39 posted on 10/29/2008 3:36:21 PM PDT by x
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To: untrained skeptic

Cashill is methodical. Hell, Michael Reagan writes at WND.


40 posted on 10/29/2008 3:38:17 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: x

It goes far beyond the seafaring language, but you can pretend it doesn’t.


41 posted on 10/29/2008 3:40:13 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: FreedomProtector

BUMP


42 posted on 10/29/2008 3:42:07 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: ETL

Excellent compilation bump


43 posted on 10/29/2008 3:43:06 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
It goes far beyond the seafaring language, but you can pretend it doesn’t.

Right ... there's stuff like this ...

There are any number of intriguing non-nautical word connections between “Dreams” and “Fugitive Days,” but one that deserves mention is the repeated reference to lies, lying and what Ayers calls “our constructed reality.”

“But another part of me knew that what I was telling them was a lie,” writes Obama, “something I’d constructed from the scraps of information I’d picked up from my mother.”

“That whole first year seemed like one long lie,” Obama writes of his first year in college in Los Angeles, one of at least a dozen references to lies and lying in “Dreams,” a figure nearly matched in “Fugitive Days.”

"Lies" and "lying" in a book by a politician ... About a dozen times in each book ... Convincing ... I guess that nails it...

If Ayers had published his book before Obama's this theory would have more credibility than it does. He'd have been an established memoirist with a literary reputation who Obama might have turned to to write his own book.

But since Obama published his first, it's hard to think of Ayers as the likely ghost writer. Maybe Cashill has something else, but so far he hasn't come up with much worth pondering.

44 posted on 10/29/2008 3:50:01 PM PDT by x
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To: kabar

Okay. Let’s see you make this happen.


45 posted on 10/29/2008 3:56:28 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

You just don’t get it, genius.


46 posted on 10/29/2008 4:13:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ridesthemiles

Precisely!


47 posted on 10/29/2008 4:23:46 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: kabar
You just don’t get it, genius.

You're right.

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48 posted on 10/29/2008 4:44:29 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: ETL
Not exactly Mr Roger's neighborhood, is it?

A beautiful neighborhood filled with a lot of scary people.
49 posted on 10/29/2008 7:39:12 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ETL

When Obama was at columbia in 1982 Bill Ayers was less than a quarter mile away at Bank Street College of Education where he got a degree in 1984 in “Early Childhood Education” bfore transferring to Columbia.

Obama’s (Marxist) English professor was Bill Ayers’ close friend Edward Said.

Edward Said was Yasser Arafat’s spokesman, a position later taken by Rashid Khalidi, another mutual friend of both Ayers and Obama..

Connect the dots, folks.

This cabal has been joined at the hip since 1982...


50 posted on 10/29/2008 7:57:44 PM PDT by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume, No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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