Apprently so.
Rapture.
Posted on 10/29/2008 1:12:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Barack Obama has consistently and very publicly staked out policy positions far to the left of the American public on such issues as taxes, abortion, and same-sex marriage. But one issue has slipped quietly under the radar: If elected president, the Illinois senator would require women to register for the military draft. As commander in chief, he would also consider assigning women to roles in close combat, also known as "the point of the spear."
"Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan], and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground," Obama spokeswoman Wendy Morigi told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Oct. 13. "Barack Obama would consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain."
While it is true that some women are already serving in combat, they are usually doing so in support units and against the Pentagon's own rules. In 1994, Clinton defense secretary Les Aspin issued the "direct combat assignment rule" that today still governs in theory, though not in practice. In a Jan. 13, 1994, memo, Aspin wrote that women might not be assigned "where units and position are doctrinally required to physically collocate and remain with direct combat units that are closed to women."
Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, said the military now routinely assigns women to support units embedded with close combat elements. The Army is also assigning them directly to infantry units, she said.
"Women joining infantry support units should know they will be in harm's way—there's no disputing that," Donnelly said. "However when they are told they will not be assigned to a close combat area, they should expect not to be. That breaks faith."
Feminist groups have long complained that men and women in the U.S. military should serve in identical capacities. During a CNN/YouTube debate last year, Obama compared the role of women in today's armed forces to that of black soldiers and airmen in World War II.
"There was a time when African Americans weren't allowed to serve in combat," Obama said. "And yet, when they did, not only did they perform brilliantly, but what also happened is they helped to change America, and they helped to underscore that we're equal."
That's true for men of all races, but not for men and women in the demanding environment of war, said former Army Capt. Michele Jones. "It's not a matter of opinion; it's just a fact," said Jones, who from May 2004 to June 2005 commanded a truck company out of the 89th Transportation Corps base at Fort Eustis, Va. "Women are not built the same as men. They cannot carry 150 pounds on their backs. They can't carry fully loaded, heavy weapons for long distances."
Ground commanders also cannot realistically deploy them in the same way as men. "There were a lot of times I was tasked to provide armed security for convoys staffed entirely with local nationals, all male," Jones said. "There was no way I was going to send women to provide security for a convoy full of nothing but foreign men, for obvious reasons."
Jones said commanding a war-zone unit with up to 50 percent women caused other problems, such as sexual and emotional entanglements. Also her truck convoys routinely came under fire during her tour. "My male soldiers told me they felt more protective of the women in the unit," she said.
That's normal human nature, she added, but noted that the shift in priorities can change the outcome in battle.
Obama's contention that women should serve in direct combat roles echoes that of feminist groups that have long complained men and women in the U.S. military should serve in identical capacities. Elaine Donnelly said that view reveals the Democratic candidate's "ignorance on the purpose of the military," which is to defend the American people, not serve as an equal-opportunity employer.
"In the fierce environment of direct ground combat, like Fallujah in November 2004," Donnelly said, "women do not have an equal opportunity to survive—or to help fellow soldiers survive."
“”Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan], and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground,”
All the Obomber idiots love to talk what they think is military-ese. Watch for it. It’s really awkward and never seems to quite fit the conversation...
He'll pay them back by forcing them into combat roles, potentially by drafting them. Ironic, no?
And don’t forget this little gem;
Another Barack Obama Gaffe: A Civilian Army?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igDoHZ0hVUY
Good grief...
I wish he’d resolve all of his “maternal abandonment issues” before he sends thousands of startled high school cheerleaders into active war zones.
This guy really hates women.
Ladies, get fitted for your Burka today...you know how those muslim guys treat their ladies. But, you go ahead and vote for hussein if he’s got your twiddles tinkling....
This makes sense for Obama. Democrats are already talking about requiring a real draft for any future conflicts, designed to raise opposition to any future invasions. So females would support democrats to avoid the draft ever being used on them. You never see elected republicans think this far ahead.
I’m telling you, Obama wants a big war so that he will be in control of everything.
no draft!
no women registering for draft!!
no woman in combat!!
no women with children under 18 on active duty!!
Let us see how the “sophisticate” “holier than thou” liberals will get out of this one, being a soldier, that is, and not just “sophistication” at the defense of poor orphan boy Iran or Chinese so called “rusty” nukes “suffering” under high tech US ones...
It depends on what your meaning of soldier is, of course. I can see gays and other “sophisticate” pseudo-fighters pretend while garnering a free pay check doing nothing. They’re good at believing they’re not racist when they say a behavior such as gay or islam is a race (as if races had specific idiosyncracies). Now let me see if they are good at facing an increasingly crazed and hungry government, allowing abortion to satisfy its tax money appetite and property seizures via fiat city ordinance like “tax policies”. Now they’re going for the whore, for the “woman” meat.
Mark my words. A man can keep being a man and keep his integrity in and out of the army. A woman cannot. She takes pills, abort and has hystorectomies. She undergoes thus virtualy life changing and condemning sex changes. She is not a woman anymore, she is a “soldier”. Gays and women in the military? Ah, there is no such thing... and thank God.
The left is notoriously anti-draft of any kind, but even those who think it would be ok, do not want girls being drafted. This needs a LOT of play.
personally i have always that especially with alot of todays youth that it wouldn’t hurt for every young man and woman to serve their country for at least 2 years out of high school. i think it would be a great learning chance for all of them in regards to responsibilty, discipline etc. this does not mean sending women into combat roles as their are many roles outside of combat that they can perform well to support the troops. again just my opinion. and yes i have 3 daughters before you ask.
Democrats are only opposed to Republican wars. you didn’t see protests in the 90’s when clinton went all over the place
I can see how a war with china is possible under Obama. Remember what Biden said: gird your loins.
Why? [Flame suit ON]. Think of the sheer terror that specialized PMS brigades will inflict upon our enemies! Whole armies will flee in fear - we'll be victorious everywhere!
Seriously, and with all due respect to the ladies (I have a mom, wife and 7 y.o. girl, all of whom I love dearly and respect), this SOB says that he wants to "change America." Change America - NOT change our priorities; NOT change the culture inside the Beltway, but CHANGE AMERICA. Folks, he's NOT kidding:
Woman in combat.
Wealth redistribution.
Opposition stifled by "Fairness" Doctrine and ACORN involvement in the FEC and DOJ.
Campaign fraud on an unimagined scale.
Civilian disarmament.
Etc., etc.
You are right. They are trying to redefine the word and attribute “Soldier”.
A volunteer is a real soldier. A draftee is a slave and a democrate, turning the military in some hopeless democratic institution. God forbid national security decision would now be voted upon or culturaly influenced. Our military would turn into Earth Flatters and refuse to learn geography by mere collective nonsense vote.
Wow, this should be a major topic immediately. I bet most Americans don’t want their “little girls” having to sign up for the draft and serve in dangerous combat roles.
I’ve already emailed this article to friends and family. Hope others will do the same. This needs to be top headlines.
Maybe it’s not that kind of Army they’ll be drafted in to. Think, Tienamin Square.
it has to be their choice. Obama wants to change America, including gender roles, and forcing women to fight will do that. That’s what the Soviets did.
remember the little girls singing about Obama “who will lead us”
Also, if Zero wins, then you can count on openly gay people in the military.
Promoting giving is good. However they want to give pearls to swines, they want to “idiot proof” the nation by having a set of good soldiers enslaved to Obama and his ilk of liberal free loading blood thirsty suckubus.
The idea of draft and the reality is often different. Laws are never defended the way they are advertised.
If mothers are exempt from the draft, I expect to see another baby boom here in the US.
You left out, No Women's Equality
Can't have it both ways.
If we are to have a unisex society can't have it both ways: draft women with men, and put women in the front lines--equal opportunity, baby, there it is.
The irony of Democrats supporting the draft for women is too thick to cut. Their mantra to rationalize abortion is: “my body, my choice”. A draft removes all choice about how one’s body is used.
as long as the chicks have to pass the same PT test us guys did and they’re in all-female units , I could care less.
Apprently so.
Rapture.
No surprise, he has never made a payroll and yet wants to tell me how to create jobs.
Obama wants to be able to draft women.. Very few women are man enough to serve in the Military let alone see combat ( I’m a woman and I know!).. Obambi wants to weaken our military in every way possible.
Yes, change and equality for them is total change of quality into some sort of PC androgenous society of “soldiers” and weirdling freaks. No more woman, no more men, snip, a bunch of slavebots just like Obama.
The dont want a draft unless Republicans impose it. They want an automatic trigger. In Clinton’s case he just fired cruise missiles, very few deaths.
Same PT performance? By then, hormonaly, they would not be “chicks” anymore. First thing one is taught in the Army is that we’re all soldiers, “female soldiers” maybe but not women anymore.
Sheesh, it wasn’t that long ago the Democrats were trying to scare people into thinking Bush was going to go ahead with a draft. Talk about a flip flop.
Obama wants this for a number of reasons.
1. To placate the feminists—men and women are basically interchangeable.
2. To weaken the military.
3. To raise antiwar feelings. The more talk of the draft, the more threats to draft woman, the more peaceniks will be able to enlist more people into their ranks.
Remember, it was the Republicans who abolished the draft, leaving registration in place only for a huge emergency. They spoke of developing a professional army and other services. During the anti-Vietnam protest years, they realized that it was better, if possible, to fight wars with people who wanted to fight, people who volunteered to fight, than to draft hippies and peaceniks who weren’t quick enough to flee to Canada or smart enough to get college deferments.
Guess the dunce forgot that our heroes are all volunteers.
Men and women.
Not a single one was drafted.
Thinking you are correct. He’s planning for a big war.
Let’s make sure he goes back to the senate.
I find myself agreeing with Barry on this one. IF they can pass the same physicals the guys get. Should be the same for firemen & cops.
WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Ok - I have my asbesto pjs on. I disagree with what BO says to start with. However, as a vet and a father of 2 girls. I would be open to women serving in combat roles PROVIDED that the military remains all voluntary. Draft Registration should remain all male.
I have heard that Israel has had solid results with women in combat roles - can anyone back up what I only have as hearsay?
But that’s not what’s going to happen, Sarge, and you know it. They WON’T be subjected to the same physical tests and requirements as men, just as female police and firefighters are not. How are firefighters with less upper body strength going to carry our increasingly obese population down a ladder? How does a female police officer intimidate the average criminal, much less one straight from the gymnasium known as prison?
Post of the day!
Thank you!
My pleasure!
[did I win anything?]....;]
“They will pencil whip their qualifications because that is what the bosses want. If you don’t qualify them your career is over, simple as that.”
So I should change my mind because some people don’t do their jobs? NO.
If you do qualify them, and they can’t do their jobs, then you should get fired, AND charged for falsifying official documentation, civil rights violations against the folks those people displaced, and a few other little things.
Maybe I’m prejudiced because I retired an E-7 partially because I spoke the truth even when people didn’t want to hear it.
I don’t equate women in combat with equality of women. Women have a place in society equal with men but with different responsibilities. In a way they are even more important than men in that they nurture and teach the next generation. There is a difference to be recognized and honored.
Placing them in combat is to dishonor them.
For your efforts, the Obama campaign will be sending you your very own autographed copy of the 30 min CastroObama propaganda infomercial.
Should this fine reward fail to alter your critical thinking abilities enlighten you, you will be eligible for the Grand Prize - a trip for one to Camp Obama where you will empty your wallet, receive a new wardrobe, chant, march and learn to change.
Congratulations!
;-)
My annual appraisal contains a category about how I support affirmative action.
Once the politicians order it- it will be done, and it will suck!
Like wings on a jackass, looks good but it won't fly!
Been there! Done that!
Since quotas are no longer legal, make them justify that. Especially since people seem to be getting larger these days. Even kids.
Same for changing the requirements. I'd demonstrate for them on live television the difference between what a 110lb woman can move vs. a 110lb man.
Might want to encourage women to work on upper-body strength, too. I know it can work. One of the troops who worked for me just before the 1st Gulf War was stronger than several of my guys, but she spent an hour or two a day at the gym working on her upper-body. She was over a foot shorter than the guys in question, too.
For that matter, my grandma wasn't all that large, but NOBODY messed with her, as she'd rip your arms off. Grew up working as a cook in the lumber camps where she met my grandpa just before the Great Depression.
we are talking ‘point of the spear’ , not in the ‘rear with the gear’ , right?
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