Posted on 10/26/2008 4:35:19 AM PDT by Libloather
Link only - Suit challenges Obama's birth place
If he is a natural born citizen, I don’t understand his reasoning for not providing it. Why let the speculation continue and risk this “wild” rumor cost you votes?
has Corsi said anything in person since back from Kenya?
It’s not costing him any votes. People who are going to vote for Obama don’t care whether he’s legally qualified or not.
The only thing that could cost him votes would be actually being disqualified, and that can happen only if he is forced to produce the birth certificate and he either can’t do so or it reveals that he was born out of the country. Increasingly, I’m beginning to think this is the case, but since there’s no cost to him in not producing it, we’ll never know.
$200. That's cheap. It wouldn't hurt a judge in a Republican state to issue a judgement against Obama to produce a valid copy of his birth certificate. I wish there was a lawsuit in every state in the Union.
I just want to know why there is no requirement to prove being a natural born citizenship prior to running for president.
I agree. However, I would hope that someone would go and find the documentation. Nothing like a good impeachment hearing to roll these partisan media clowns back on their butts. Just because he won’t provide it, that doesn’t mean we can’t find it.
That is just flat out wrong. It's ignorance to say that. This, along with other questions about Obama all add up to give enough doubt to sway some in the middle.
If Obama were honest, he would just turn over his COLB to a judge that asked for it. Since he doesn’t, he is admitting he is dishonest.
I’m really mostly concerned with the flaw that’s been exposed in our system. A flaw exposed is a flaw that will be exploited at some point.
For the sake of argument. Lets say Obama is elected and it’s later that we find him to be inelgible. The democrats will fight to keep him in office and probably win. Foreign govts. will see that and before long we’ll have foreign candidates petitioning the supreme court for their “right” to run in our elections and citing Obama as an example that set the precedent.
Not fixing this system that leaves candidates elgibilty unvetted leaves us open to electoral anarchy. Can you say “President George Soros” or President “Kofi Annan”?
(((Shudder)))
You sir, mis-state the facts. Obviously you are not really up on the law. Therefore, you are well advised to shut the old pie-hole.
TOTALLY FALSE.
The MSM is owned by their sponsors.
The Democrat cry will be that he aced two of the three requirements, what do we want- perfection? Come on, cut the brother some slack! Two out of three ain't bad!
The laws in regard to citizenship are, listening to the lawyers talk on this subject it seems not so simple it seems. BHO is only a natural born citizen if his mother was 18 years old and had also resided continuously up to that age for 5 years when BHO was born.
I hope that I got all of that right, the laws regarding citizenship may have not been met for BHO if Sydney was underage when giving birth in Kenya.
TOTALLY FALSE.
All you have to do is notify the government as to the birth of the child. And since you are just shouting and not providing any proof to refute my statements, perhaps yours is the pie-hole in need of being shut.
You'd have to ask the framers. I'd assume that they never imagined that anyone would have the unmitigagted audacity and lack of character to actually present himself to the electorate without the requisite qualifications.
Moreover, the Constitutional qualifications relate to SERVING as President, not running for President. The courts would look at this and say that there has been no harm as yet, and you can't sue for an anticipated harm. The damage has to actually happen.
The actual election to the Presidency does not take place until the Electoral college meets in January 2009. And the President elect does not actually become President until he is sworn in.
What I''d like to see is Chief Justice Roberts refuse to swear in the a-wipe until and unless he provides proof of eligibility.
ping for later
Have you actually gone through this process? I have, and I know the law. It isn’t my job to school you. The law is there to be researched. Do your own.
And there is FAR more involved that a “notification”. That’s a laugher. You have to PROVE the child eligible, and that involves proving that you as a US citzen are actually qualified to pass on citizenship to a child with only one US citizen parent. Not all are, and Ann Dunham wasn’t.
Too bad for yourg Barack, it it turns out to be true that he was born in Kenya. It’s a brick wall.
TOTALLY FALSE.
All you have to do is notify the government as to the birth of the child. And since you are just shouting and not providing any proof to refute my statements, perhaps yours is the pie-hole in need of being shut.
Not so sure you are correct. He must not be just a citizen but a “natural born” citizen. Some say that the founders meant this to mean that one must be physically born on US soil. McCain was born on a military base in Panama but has been declared natural born by law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/2008/02/mccain-natural.html
The value of these challenges is to show that Obama was lying about the location of his birth. There are multiple witnesses in Kenya who say he was born there!
“Have you actually gone through this process?”
Yes I have.
“And there is FAR more involved that a “notification”. That’s a laugher. You have to PROVE the child eligible, and that involves proving that you as a US citzen are actually qualified to pass on citizenship to a child with only one US citizen parent. Not all are, and Ann Dunham wasn’t.”
Perhaps it matters if Obama’s mother was underage. So since you are such an expert, why don’t you provide some support for your position?
As a Father of a foreign born Daughter, UK, two USA parents, etc., since you seem to know the law, please post what the "Rules" are, in fact, to be a Natural Citizen.
As I recall, a foreign born child of a USA female and a non-USA male does not qualify the child as a Natural Citizen, with some discussion on when the child returns to the good old US of A.
If you know the details, please post them here with a copy to me.
A Many thanks<
Another John...
Wrongo....the mother has to be a citizen and have lived in the country so many years after a certain birthday!
I have a friend who found that the situation isn’t a simple matter of a parent being an American citizen. Her teenage daughter had a baby while staying with her boyfriend in Canada. The girl and her boyfriend split up and she came back to the states with the baby. When she went to get some kind of assistance she found that her child wasn’t an American citizen.
There was never a threat to deport the child or anything but she did have to go through some sort of expedited immigration process for the child, including a release from the father for the child to become a full American citizen.
This was some 20 years ago so the laws have likely changed.
So all those kids born to military serving their country overseas (not on U.S. soil, which the Canal Zone was at the time) can never be President?
Oops, sorry for the double post.
Where was that? PA?
How might this one be different?
Rules don't apply to dimocrats. It his were a republican the media would be having a field day.
What I don’t understand about all of this is why, apparently, proof is not required of ALL who submit documentation for running to be elected to the highest office in our country. Seems to me that it should be part of ‘getting all the ducks in a row’, in order to make a run. Do we just ‘take their word for it?’ Ridiculous.
It’s bizarre to think that an ordinary citizen may have to provide more documentation citing his country of origin to get on a cruise ship than someone running for President of the United States.
The requirement is "natural born citizen." If, as a matter of Con law, birth to a citizen parent, regardless of location/residence of the parents, always results in a person being a "natural born citizen," then federal statutes that define "natural born citizen" are superfluous.
As a matter of statutory law and SCOTUS construction of the term, "natural born citizen" is a subset of "citizen," and appears to carve the non-naturalized variety of citizen into two groups, "natural born" and "other."
Geez, give it up! This issue has been legally scrubbed many times before and the issue of military dependents is ABSOLUTELY SPECIFIC! My sister was born in Germany to my American GI father and my German mother who obtained her US citizenship after their marriage. My sister automatically was recognized as a natural born American who had the option to apply for dual citizenship only when she turned 18.
Misdirection is all you have and that makes you a troll. Away with you, SHEESH!
Eldridge Cleaver was under the constitutional age requirement, and he ran. The state of CA refused to put his name on the ballot, but they kept the party on, so people could vote for the elector that would cast a ballot essentially for an ineligible candidate.
“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the
limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of
citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United
States”. (Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103).
Of course, the “fathers” would now be “other parents” or something that did not discriminate on the basis of gender. Was Obama’s father never resident in the US? I had thought he was.
Before you call something silly, perhaps you should start looking at the law.
Start here:
http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=80
Like I said, I just assumed that a candidate would be required to prove natural born citizenship. I was surprised after doing a little research that there is no such requirement. I guess, as you said, no one anticipated it before. I would still like to see his passport.
“My sister automatically was recognized as a natural born American”
Which is my position on this topic.
“Misdirection is all you have and that makes you a troll. Away with you, SHEESH!”
Sigh. Do you automatically call everyone that disagrees with you a troll in an attempt to discredit them? Shame on you. FR used to be a civil place. I’ve been here years longer than you.
That was sarcasm.
Your position is wrong. Read the law.
No, there is a difference between a “natural-born” and a “naturalized” citizen. If Obama was in fact born in Kenya, because his father was not an American, he would only be a naturalized citizen. The Constitution is very clear about this being a requirement for the highest office of the land.
There is one very interesting twist. What if Frank Marshall Davis was really his father as Andy Martin believes.
Can you imagine the soap opera if he was declared not a US citizen but then said...wait a minute...let’s have a DNA test.
What a mess.
How many times must this be pointed out on FR? In order for a child to be born a US citizen if they are born out of the US he must have two parents who are US citizens. Otherwise certain criteria must be met and Bozo's mother didn't meet the criteria. At the time of his birth the criteria was a person had to be a US citizen for and lived in the US for 10 years after the age of 16. Bozo's mother was 18 when he was born, his father wasn't a US citizen, therefore if he was born in Kenya, which might be the case, he is NOT a US natural born citizen or even a citizen period.
This has been gone over constantly on FR and explained over and over again.
Do you really think people in 8 states would be bringing law suits if there was nothing to gain by it?
Bozo needs to show his birth certificate and he needs to do so now, the dems forced McCain to prove his citizenship but of course the rules don't apply to Bozo.
@ calanel
You are incorrect.
Your parents have to have lived here for something like fourteen years after a certain age.
Obamas mother would not have qualified.
I believe you are confusing the jimmy carter chain migration issue with this one. Another liberal democrat failure.
Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate, I’m bettig. I’m betting in Kenya, when little Bambi was born, they didn’t do birth certificates.
With the law at the time, which is what would supposedly be applicable, the statement is false on a technicality. Apparently, the citizen parent would have had to be a citizen for 5 years past her 14th birthday for it to pass along. Obama’s mom was 18. Obama would not get natural born status.
The judge who dismissed Berg’s lawsuit had a clerk who used to work at...........the same law firm Bambi worked for in chicago. Small crooked world eh?
The story has some inaccuracies in it. There is no “Birth Certificate” that has been examined. It is a certificate of live birth, which I understand is different.
Second, “several fact check agencies have examined it?” Only aware of one that did so and it was associated with Obama. To my knowledge, no independent party with the credentials to do so has verified a birth certificate for Obama.
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