Posted on 10/21/2008 6:38:52 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
I worked tirelessly for the Northwest Florida Republican Party for many years. I need to start over and this time seek the beginning of a truly independent party.
First, the Democratic Party left us and now the Republican Party has dumped us. The bailout for Wall Street, the banks and the greedy real estate mortgage companies and all their coharts should never have happened. They should have been left in the burning meltdown they created. We have mortgaged our grandchildren and great grandchildren. I cannot believe that I have lived to see our once great and mighty country slide slowly toward liberalism and now, like a sinking ship, slide into the depths of socialism.
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Count me in.
And what’s the third way really? Mexico had a third way about 60 years ago. Hold and election, shoot the winner, install the loser.
You apparently aren’t aware of how difficult it is to start another political party and get on the ballot in all states. Recall Ross Perot’s difficulties, although he was a Clinton shill.
Follow Rush Limbaugh! He will lead us out of the wilderness!
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Rush helped sandbag our best general election candidate, Fred Thompson.
“Rush helped sandbag our best general election candidate, Fred Thompson.”
No. Rush didn’t so that. Fred did that.
Fred had NO PASSION. He fizzled away. He mislead us and let us down. I would have voted for him in the primary had he stayed in.
Yeah, Rush DID do that, and so did a lot of other talking heads. Fred OFFERED himself to us and the elites were more interested in the midgets running. No surprise when we ended up with Juan.
No.
I agree with the other poster. Fred was probably my second choice after Hunter, but when I heard Thompson speak in New Hampshire, I was discouraged, to say the least.
He had all the charisma of drying paint. Nothing personal, but when running for public office, you have to at least appear dynamic and energetic. I saw him in a diner up there talking to people, and he looked like someone who was completely lost and had come in to ask for directions. He DID look old and feeble. I had no idea he would come across that way, because I had only read his statements and saw the video with him smoking that cigar, which I really liked.
I don’t watch television so I had never seen him in that medium. I was surprised. There was no way on earth he would have won a national campaign. I am not basing my opinion solely on his appearance, and was familiar with his policy positions, but that was a real shocker for me.
Just my opinion.
Yeah, Rush DID do that, and so did a lot of other talking heads. Fred OFFERED himself to us and the elites were more interested in the midgets running. No surprise when we ended up with Juan.
Fred did himself in. Don’t blame others for what FRED didn’t do. We were practically begging FRED to SPEAK UP. He wouldn’t. Finally near the END, he showed some LIFE. He was a sore disappointment. He lead us on. McPain isn’t much better. If it weren’t for Sarah who adds LIFE, we wouldn’t have a chance.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree. Fred was always underestimated, and yet still would pull off a win. He had to go up against the entire RINO establishment and so-called self-appointed Conservative talking heads, and they didn’t give him the time of day. If he appeared tired to you, it’s because the man was running himself ragged keeping up on top of things. I remember Jeri angrily rattling off on Larry King all of the things Fred did when the BULL$HIT charge of laziness was levelled at him. Rush is first and foremost, an entertainer. I don’t follow entertainers.
Post #13. Fred was speaking up, but the media and the establishment was making sure he WASN’T heard. They were more interested in the good-haired Socialist scum from Massachusetts or Elmer Gantry Pyle from Arkansas. Big f’ing joke.
We can agree to disagree on this. Bottom line, our political system does not lend itself to selection of high quality people. It is still the best out there, but it does have its faults.
Let’s see here. Third way. Oh yes... Constitution party, Libertarian party. Funny thing is, both are still with us and they have a small loyal band of followers along with legions of detractors with apparently a much different idea of what “limited government” means. Where’s the Reform party? It’s gone to the same place that its Kool-aid merchant leadership has gone ...nowhere.
Post #13. Fred was speaking up, but the media and the establishment was making sure he WASN’T heard. They were more interested in the good-haired Socialist scum from Massachusetts or Elmer Gantry Pyle from Arkansas. Big f’ing joke.
No, Fred wasn’t speaking up and when he did he had no LIFE. I WANTED HIM to be our nominee. He sputtered out. The media pushed McPain and the Huckster. Mitt was done in by the Evangelical and Huck. The media helped elect McPain. Fred really let people DOWN
The system doesn’t lend itself to quality Republicans. The media stops those at the door, and apparently, so do our own people. It’s remarkable that Gov. Palin wasn’t run off the ticket after a week. She’s the ONLY good to come out of this cycle.
Naah, he didn’t let us down. We let him down.
Follow Rush Limbaugh! He will lead us out of the wilderness!
I like and listen to Rush, but Rush is pretty much a shill for Republicans. He isn't leading anyone to anywhere but to republicans and frankly, they are the problem too.
No Fred let himself down with his lack of passion.
He nearly put people to sleep.
People WAITED and WAITED and WAITED and then he FINALLY announced he would run. He shouldn't have bothered to run. He wasted his time and his supporters time.
Fred only has himself to blame. I don't share your blame. I expect a candidate to do the heavy lifting and supporters to back him up. Fred wasn't doing the job.
Frankly I don't see any point in arguing this.
Fred is finished.
What you see and what I saw aren’t the same. Some of us are still hoping he runs for Governor in 2010. We badly need some leadership in TN.
As in conservatism, liberalism...or socialism.
Worldwide, The Third Way is a code word for socialism.
I would strongly suggest a re-write.
On this, we can surely agree...:
(Sure, I have my shallow, transparent aspects too...love them boots!)
What you see and what I saw aren’t the same. Some of us are still hoping he runs for Governor in 2010. We badly need some leadership in TN.
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I hope he does.
Fred is a good man but I don’t think has has the stomach for it. We need good Republicans ... instead of the RHINO’s ... .
I know that most Freepers probably wish the Dems would disintegrate and just disappear, but I was hoping that they would be replaced with a vigorous left-wing party. Why? Because when our opponents are center-left, our leaders end up going center-right and the net result is a middle-of-the-road "bipartisan" government that is effective at nothing. The only thing you can accomplish from the middle of the road is to get hit by oncoming traffic.
I was secretly hoping that the PUMAs would go to the Green Party. I mean, they're running Cynthia McKinney. She's not only a woman, but she's black — she's an identity politics wet dreams. And she's ultra-liberal; what's there for a Hillary supporter not to like? If the Green Party got 30-40% of the vote in 2008, it would start to attract big names and big money. In some states, like Vermont, they'd be strong. In many others, they'd be weak, but given some momentum, they could get stronger. Lefties would be energized by a party that really stood for what they believed in.
A really vital and strongly-defined left-wing party would allow the Republicans to run as "not those guys" to some extent, but it would also allow us to say, "No, we're really not them," and to make our differences clear. Today, a lot of people don't really see much of a difference between the parties, and sometimes, it's really hard to tell, but that would end if there was a real left-wing party.
Of course, the disintegration of the Dems and the rise of the Greens would cost the left their place in national politics as they regrouped and built their base back. This would, of course, be good for us.
Unfortunately, this didn't happen. The supposed "center-left" is ascendant this year and the "center-right" is in disarray. If there's an opportunity for an established party to give way to a rising third party, it may be the Republicans being replaced by the Libertarians.
The entrenched major parties (both of them) will fight that, because a strong right-wing party is going to have the same effect as a strong left-wing party: it's going to move people out of the middle of the road and make it harder to "swing" voters. I think that would be a good thing. I'm tired of feeling taken for granted because my values and allegiances are stable.
The GOP never wanted to destroy the Dem party, and the Dems will never completely destroy the GOP. They need each other, otherwise the remaining party would soon split with no boogeyman to scare everyoen back onto the plantation every four years.
Here’s a vanity I wrote several years ago about this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1509680/posts
Speaking of Rush, see the link at post 28.
Without going into too long an explanation, for which I have on many occasions, I have to disagree on the part about the Democrats not wanting to destroy the GOP (or more to the point, the left wing). The left wing has completely hijacked the Democrat party (virtually all moderates and Conservatives no longer exist — there was a sizeable minority presence PRIOR to the Watergate baby class of 1974, and those that remained after it were almost uniformally forced to the left if they wished to keep their positions. Prime example was a Congressman from Queens, Jim Delaney. Delaney was the most Conservative member of the NYC delegation from either party, but the Democrats forced him leftwards and he complied. When he retired in 1978 he was replaced by Geraldine Ferraro). The left has similarly invaded the GOP (many of whom would ordinarily be Democrats) for the purpose of weakening it to the point that it can no longer be competitive against the Democrats.
A little interesting fact that many can’t comprehend. Democrats are literally competitive for virtually EVERY Congressional district, legislative district, Mayoralty, you name it, in the United States (now, that doesn’t mean they can win them all, but that even in HEAVILY Republican areas, given the right circumstances, a Democrat can win. One of the most Republican House districts in the U.S. in the 1990s was Utah’s 3rd District. Because of an internecine battle in 1990 when the seat came open, a Democrat won the seat in an upset, a by a wide margin. That Democrat, Jim Orton, even survived the ‘94 GOP landslide, but lost in ‘96 when Clinton locked up a huge chunk of that Congressional district from being developed. Orton’s constituents took it out on him even though Clinton never bothered to let Orton know what was happening). Republicans, on the other hand, have large swaths of the country that they CANNOT be competitive in, mostly urban or non-White territory. Even if the Democrats destroy each other in a primary, the Democrat will still likely prevail in the general no matter how much the Republican spends...
Worse than that, some of the most rabid moonbat areas today once were respectable Republican territory within the past half-century. San Francisco was still half-Republican in the late 1950s. Oakland and Berkeley had a Republican Congressman. So did a good portion of Massachusetts, where the legislature had been majority Republican since the party was founded, and nearly all of New England. Chicago was competitive. Detroit had a Republican Mayor. So did Philadelphia. Seattle, Portland were Republican bastions, even Los Angeles. Now these weren’t moonbat Republicans, these were often center-right (at least Socially) pols that made all these places liveable. Flash forward 50 years, and there’s almost no Republicans left to be found. Even at the lowest of levels, it’s almost impossible for them to get their foot in the door. Many places now where we could eke out 50% or higher are barely registering less than 20% (SF is barely over 10%). An almost systematic annihilation of the Republican party and competitive two-party governance.
It has accelerated dramatically even just since the late 1980s. The Republicans could win EVERY state in the country at the Presidential level. Now there are large swaths we are, again, completely shut out of. Ironically, during that time, many of those states were led by (surprise, surprise) RINO Governors. States like New Jersey, California, Illinois, and Massachusetts. In the early ‘90s when the Republicans made gains against Dukakis, we captured 40% of the legislature (State Senate, 4 seats away from tying the Democrats). Captured 5 statewide offices, won three out of 10 Congressional districts (and were competitive in a few more). Those RINO Governors rather than “padding” their numbers preceded to completely eviscerate the gains. By 2006, MA was as competitive for the GOP as a Deep South state was post-Reconstruction. Barely 10% of the legislature is Republican (and those few remaining are RINOs indistinguishable from their Democrat colleagues). We cannot win any statewide offices, no federal offices, practically nothing, and at each successive election, the Republicans lose what handful of legislative seats they have left. Indeed, MA will likely become the first Northern state to have an ALL-Democrat legislative body in history (the GOP has only 5 seats left in their Senate, and they can vanish quite easily once the incumbents retire).
No, indeed, the Democrats and the left could very easily see the Republicans wiped off the map and STILL use us as a whipping boy. Take a look at urban precincts where Republicans haven’t won office in a half-century or longer and the bogeyman “Republican” is STILL used as a slur to keep the slaves in line. These folks have absolutely no clue what (Conservative) Republican leadership could do to improve their communities. All they know is what Democrats tell them that things may be bad, but they’d be worse under Republicans (how COULD they be worse ?).
I have to give kudos to the left. They have done an absolutely masterful job at hijacking one party, undermining another to the point of non-competitiveness, acquired near-absolute control of media and entertainment institutions, the educational system, the bureaucracy itself, and have terrified an entire race of people into complete submission while working on the remaining races. All the while they have managed to nearly criminalize any dissenting voices that speak out against them (witness today on Drudge, the use of the word “Socialist” is now racist — http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2493 ). All the while we were fighting Communists overseas via Cold War, they were taking over us here, very slowly and very surely, like a frog being boiled alive by degrees. 2008 is now the year when we’ve reached that boiling point.
Like I said, a masterful job. America’s enemies couldn’t have ever done it from without nearly as well as they’ve done it from within. It took a century to reach their goal, but they’ve finally just about done it. Now, what are we going to do to turn it back around ?
Hate to say it, I truly do, but America may no longer be a country worth saving. Bums, parasites, and goofballs may now outnumber normal, traditional American families. The impending election will tell the tale.
FRegards,
LH
Yes, well.
Let's see what happens before we go there.
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You’ve not heard of Bubba’s Third Way??????? Look it up.
There is one problem. If you repeat a lie long enough, it will become truth (or held as such, by people).
Exposing the left's insanity is easier said than done.
“Bums, parasites, and goofballs may now outnumber normal, traditional American families. “
Doubtful.
Gross
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Aggressive voter education, Republican candidates must take it to the cities hard.
Wendell Wilkie was a rat-turned-RINO-turned-indy liberal but he had the right idea, he went to places to campaign where they threw rotten vegetables at him. Got to start somewhere, ignoring urban voters is what we’ve been doing, Republicans don’t even put up candidates. They need serious prodding. Form a real opposition, that means no liberal rinos. And we must be LOUD and visible.
City council level is a good place to start. We have 1 GOP alderman in Chicago (and 1 rat turned GOP, back to rat). GOP statewide winners in the recent past have carried a few wards. At least 4 ought to be GOP NOW. 2 wards on the lakefront and 2 in the white northwest area.
Even modest gains would make a big difference.
But party leader will continue to focus on the low-hanging “swing voter” fruit while the rats claim to be conservative and fool GOP voters. That’s another thing, educate conservatives voters, your southern rat congressman is not a conservative, he’s for Obama and Pelosi. “Democrat” should mean “poison” in Areas like Mississippi CD-1.
Point of fact, if conservatives can’t retake the GOP they can’t win with a third party, just split the vote and allow the rats to sweep everything.
I saw FRed at the Commonwealth Dinner in Richmond, VA in June, 2007, and he was great then...
He still hadnt announced though...
I believe if he had announced at that point, and continued to give as good a speech as he did that night, he might well have been a shoo-in...
I voted for Duncan hunter in the primary, but I was preparing to vote for FRed in Nov...
Mitt was done in by the Evangelical and Huck
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No, Romney was done in by his own liberal politics..
This is a letter to the editor and should be identified as such. So many letters to the editor are fakes written by dems to demoralize Republicans - and yes, I’ve had friends who wrote those letters for the Democrats.
fmj, I agree with you about Thompson and the media. Thompson was ignored and given little exposure after he joined the campaign trail. The media immediately went after him and his wife without showing either of them. The Left does not want a strong conservative running and for obvious reasons. A clear choice between liberal and conservative almost always elects the conservative.
However, I disagree with both of you about Rush. Saying he is “just an entertainer” is straight out of the DNC PLaybook.
Swanky, you obviously don’t listen to Rush either. He has repeatedly said and proved the he is a conservative, not a Republican, and he does not even like McCain. He says we have to back McCain simply to keep Obama out.
On Thompson, Rush did him no harm. He just kept waiting for Thompson to give him something to talk about but the media kept Thompson in the dark and offered their own talking points of “He is tired and lazy, no fire, he has a trophy wife, he is just an actor, etc, etc.”
Just as the Left gave us McCain with crossover votes in Iowa and New Hampshire and lots of media support they denied us Thompson or Hunter by ignoring them, giving tehm almost zero exposure.
He says we have to back McCain simply to keep Obama out.
Sorry, to me that comes right back to shill.
The takers, including those who “produce” through meager efforts just to make enough money to survive have always out numbered the true self disciplined producers and leaders. Sadly in an effort to look “enlightened” or because they are to busy actually producing to take notice, the true producers allow those who seek to live off of them just enough access to the government to install those who support the takers and toss money from the treasury. these “leaders” become more and more corrupt until the system fails.
Lather, rinse, repeat...
We are close to the repeat stage I fear.
Or not...
Tough call to wish for failure in an effort to see a fresh start. I just hope in this accelerated age the change will take less than a century or so.
LOL!
He was the most conservative of those running at the time.
I haven't drunk the Evangelical Kool-aide. I am thorough on my research too. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat AGAIN. IDeally I would have liked to see him as out nominee - since Fred bailed out earlier ... and Sarah for the gender role. That is the role she is filling.
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