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2004 Interview: Obama Talks about Jesus, Heaven and Sin June 3, 2008
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Posted on 10/21/2008 8:36:06 AM PDT by jessduntno

With Barack Obama about to head into the general election, he’ll need to re-introduce himself to the American people. Many folks just don’t know that much about him. One thing we do know is that Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. He talks about his Christian faith quite a bit but because of some of his liberal positions (read: abortion, civil unions) he’s going to need to really work hard to convince religious moderates and religious conservatives that they have common ground.

In 2004, he gave an interview to Cathleen Falsani who was the religion reporter at the Chicago Sun-Times. I must say the whole interview is remarkable. Below are some parts of it where Obama talks about Jesus, heaven and sin. The whole interview can be read here.

(GG is God Girl aka Cathleen Falsani) GG: Who’s Jesus to you?

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is a historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

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Good Grief.

Between him and Joe, who is the bigger fake???

1 posted on 10/21/2008 8:36:07 AM PDT by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

Where’s the barf alert???

Rules, people. Rules!


2 posted on 10/21/2008 8:38:28 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I'm voting for the woman. All the others PALIN comparison.)
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To: jessduntno

Parsed EXACTLY as a Muslim would put it.

So Obama, is Jesus God or not?


3 posted on 10/21/2008 8:38:32 AM PDT by agere_contra (Joe the Plumber has been vetted more thoroughly by the MSM than Obama has.)
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To: jessduntno

“OBAMA: Right. Jesus is a historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.”

Wonder if he also ran for President once??? This is what’s known as the projection of a messianic complex, folks. And before you ask, yes I do have degrees in psychology...


4 posted on 10/21/2008 8:39:15 AM PDT by jessduntno (Barack - Swahili for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: kimmie7

“Where’s the barf alert???”

Sorry.


5 posted on 10/21/2008 8:40:31 AM PDT by jessduntno (Barack - Swahili for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: jessduntno

Based on his answers in that interview, I would not classify Obama as a Christian.


6 posted on 10/21/2008 8:41:03 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: jessduntno
Good Grief

What is sin?

" being out of alignment with my values"

Where is that in a Christian Bible?

7 posted on 10/21/2008 8:42:09 AM PDT by scooby321 (Cai)
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To: jessduntno

Jesus is a historical figure, in that he walked on the face of the earth and changed history. History existed before Christ , that was the BC period, and History after Christ is AD period. Only Christ to Christians did not die, defeated death.

Jesus was a teacher, a fisher of men, who taught us how to live, and how to be saved from sin.


8 posted on 10/21/2008 8:44:22 AM PDT by AmericanMade1776 ( Our Mamma beats your Obama)
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To: scooby321

Is he an Oprahite or an Obaman?


9 posted on 10/21/2008 8:45:12 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: jessduntno
"One thing we do know is Obama is a Christian not a Muslim"

His answer to the question "who's Jesus to you?" does not support that premise. No Christian would answer the way he did. To a Christian Jesus is Lord and Savior, one with the Father and Holy Spirit. He is the Light of the world and the true Way. No, folks, Obama is no Christian. I'm not being judgemental, I'm just stating a fact.

10 posted on 10/21/2008 8:47:11 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: jessduntno
“One thing we do know is that Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim.”

“We”?
Does the author have a mouse in his pocket?

IMO, no Christian could ever sanction ramming scissors into the skull of a baby who's been tortuously twisted around into a breech birth to avoid the “moral dilemma” of whether it's actually been “born” or not. If the baby is about to be born anyway, why not just pull it out and let somebody who'll love it adopt it?

Are people who were naturally breech-birthed not humans because of that “technicality”?

No real Christian can sanction *anything* homosexual, either.

If he's a “real Christian”, I'm a Zoroastrian monk.

[And just for kicks, check out the "alternatives" offered by spellcheck when it encounters "Obama"]....:))

11 posted on 10/21/2008 8:47:38 AM PDT by Salamander (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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To: stayathomemom
Based on his answers in that interview, I would not classify Obama as a Christian.

No interview was necessary to bring that to light. You are disqualified as a Christian at the moment you claim to be "pro-choice".

12 posted on 10/21/2008 8:48:19 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: jessduntno
Muslims think that Jesus is a historical figure too. The only major religion other than Christianity to ACKNOWLEDGE Him at the same time denying His divinity.

Obama: "There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell."

GG: You don’t believe that?

OBAMA: I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.

How about those who've heard His message and turned their back on Him or deny that He is risen and not just some dead historical figure?

13 posted on 10/21/2008 8:49:05 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: agere_contra
Parsed EXACTLY as a Muslim would put it.

Thank you for posting that...when I read the transcript I had the EXACT same thought. Wants his "reward", not heaven, Sin is going against his own standard (not God's), etc. etc. Wow, I saw nothing in that transcript that would allow me to believe he is a Christian.

14 posted on 10/21/2008 8:49:38 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: jessduntno

Aren’t Ayers, Wright, and Farrakahn historical figures? Wait what about Buchwheat and Snoopy?


15 posted on 10/21/2008 8:49:56 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: agere_contra
"Parsed EXACTLY as a Muslim would put it."

That's right, "a historical figure... a teacher" but a Christian would say Jesus is God, the Son of God, God incarnate, and Jesus is my personal savior.

And how about sin is "being out of line with my values". A Christian would say sin is being out of line with God's values.

After reading that Odinga who Obama supported had actually signed agreements with Muslim leaders to implement Sharia and suppress Christianity, it's hard to believe Obama is not a closet muslim practicing Taquiyya to gain control over Christians.

16 posted on 10/21/2008 8:50:25 AM PDT by DannyTN (`)
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To: stayathomemom
"...One thing we do know is that Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim..."

The more they keep telling me that this is true and by the nonchalant manner in which they discuss this "obvious" detail, the more convinced I am that...

The pahker's muzzie!

17 posted on 10/21/2008 8:50:31 AM PDT by skimbell (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of all who threaten either.)
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To: jessduntno
GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

"I, me, mine."

We don't get to determine what IS sinful. And we certainly don't get to redefine sin.

18 posted on 10/21/2008 8:51:08 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: stayathomemom

“Secular Humanist For Christ”... “Uh when it doesn’t conflict with my own values”


19 posted on 10/21/2008 8:53:21 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: jessduntno
OBAMA: Right. Jesus is a historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he’s also a wonderful teacher.

With my limited knowledge of theology, I would classify this as more Islamic than Christian. In the Christian faith, Jesus is not a bridge between God and man. Jesus is God incarnate as a man.

In Islam, Mohammed is not God incarnate, he is a bridge between God and man, a prophet.

20 posted on 10/21/2008 8:54:03 AM PDT by Bertram3 ("Never give up. Never Give up. Never, never, never, never." Churchill)
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To: Salamander

I like that FR’s spellcheck dictionary still has not added Obama or Biden.


21 posted on 10/21/2008 8:54:53 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: Bertram3

Pastor Wright, the man that Obama says brought him to Christ, is a former muslim.

I don’t recall ever hearing Pastor Wright make a public statement about why he left Islam and became a preaching Christian. What was the transitional point in his life?


22 posted on 10/21/2008 8:56:20 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: stayathomemom

And, I would agree with you.


23 posted on 10/21/2008 8:56:56 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: jessduntno
GG: What is sin?
OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

Huh?

24 posted on 10/21/2008 8:59:44 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: jessduntno
One thing we do know is that Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim.

Obama might consider himself a Christian, but I don't see the fruit of that.

Obama thinks abortion is okay, but God said "thou shalt not kill".

Obama thinks you should 'spread the wealth', but God said "thou shalt not steal".

Obama thinks homosexual marriage should be legalized, but God said that same gender sex is an abomination.

I'm quite sure Obama is a religious man, but I have serious doubts that the Lord is his God.

25 posted on 10/21/2008 9:02:10 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: stayathomemom
Nowhere does Obama acknowledge the divinity of Christ. In fact, it seems to me that in his statement he goes out of his way to deny the divinity of Chris.

If you can not accept the divinity of Christ, you are not a Christian. My only thought: What kind of man would profess himself a Christian only to deny the divinity of Christ?

There is also this exchange:

“GG: Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

GG: What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA: I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.”

Obama doesn't need the divinity of Christ because Obama is his own Messiah. When he sins, he doesn't sin against God, he sins against himself!

Whatever else he is, or might be, this man, at the very least, is a truly frightening megalomaniac.

26 posted on 10/21/2008 9:02:25 AM PDT by mojito
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To: weegee
I like that “Bum” and “Bomber” are “suggestions”.

[artificial intelligence or a ‘ghost in the machine’?]....:))

27 posted on 10/21/2008 9:05:35 AM PDT by Salamander (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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To: stayathomemom

“GG:
Have you always been a Christian?

OBAMA:
I was raised more by my mother and my mother was Christian.”

Here, he simply does NOT answer the question.


28 posted on 10/21/2008 9:06:17 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: All
...divinity of Chris

Sorry. That should obviously be "divinity of Christ."

Let me be on record as denying the divinity of Chris.

29 posted on 10/21/2008 9:07:23 AM PDT by mojito
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To: Russ

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also.” ( John 14:6-7)


30 posted on 10/21/2008 9:12:19 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: thesearethetimes...

“GG:
Do you still attend Trinity?

OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.

Ever been there? Good service.”

So much for his, “I wasn’t there” defense on Wright.

This is the interview with the quote about “confused Americans” who watch Fox, and listen to Talk Radio, also. Seems that kind of behavior is “dangerous” in Obama’s view... Long interview, but worth every minute.


31 posted on 10/21/2008 9:23:43 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Vasilli22
Amen!

Obama is no more a Christian than my cats.

32 posted on 10/21/2008 9:29:59 AM PDT by ninergold3 (By Election Day I'll Be An Anorexic/Alcoholic. . .Stress Sucks!)
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To: jessduntno
Watch Obama's June 28, 2006 speech plus related links:

Dobson: Obama Distorting the Bible
By Robin Mazyck
CBNNews.com
June 24, 2008

33 posted on 10/21/2008 9:32:16 AM PDT by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times; zot

“Jesus is a historical figure for me....” is this it or am I not understanding something?


34 posted on 10/21/2008 9:33:01 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead (3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: kimmie7
Where’s the barf alert???

Right here: "Obama Talks". It's implicit.

35 posted on 10/21/2008 9:41:09 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: jessduntno

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

I guess that is the appropriate answer for THE MESSIAH to give.


36 posted on 10/21/2008 9:46:01 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: agere_contra

GG: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

I got it! So since he doesn’t believe sin is being out of alignment with GOD’s values, then abortion, homosexuality, gay marriage, etc. is okay. I am now convinced he is a Christian.


37 posted on 10/21/2008 9:59:39 AM PDT by carikadon
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To: GreyFriar

Muslims say he is a Muslim, and he said if things get nasty he will side with the Muslims.


38 posted on 10/21/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by zot
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To: thesearethetimes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham#Religion

Religion

A “friend” from high school has said that Dunham “touted herself as an atheist, and it was something she'd read about and could argue.”[6]

Maya Soetoro-Ng, when asked if her mother was an atheist, said, “I wouldn't have called her an atheist. She was an agnostic. She basically gave us all the good books — the Bible, the Hindu Upanishads and the Buddhist scripture, the Tao Te Ching — and wanted us to recognise that everyone has something beautiful to contribute.”[19] “Jesus, she felt, was a wonderful example. But she felt that a lot of Christians behaved in un-Christian ways.”[20]

In his 1995 memoir Dreams from My Father Barack Obama wrote, “My mother's confidence in needlepoint virtues depended on a faith I didn't possess... In a land [Indonesia] where fatalism remained a necessary tool for enduring hardship... she was a lonely witness for secular humanism, a soldier for New Deal, Peace Corps, position-paper liberalism.”[21] In his 2006 book The Audacity of Hope Obama wrote, “I was not raised in a religious household... My mother's own experiences... only reinforced this inherited skepticism. Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones... And yet for all her professed secularism, my mother was in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I've ever known.”[22] Religion for her was “just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives,” Obama wrote.[20] In 2007 Obama described his mother as “a Christian from Kansas.” “I was raised by my mother,” he continued. “So, I’ve always been a Christian.”[23][24] Also in 2007, he said in a speech, “My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew. But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution.”[1]

The first mention I find of religion in this lengthy Time Magazine article is on page 4

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-4,00.html

“Ann took a job teaching English at the U.S. embassy. She woke up well before dawn throughout her life. Now she went into her son's room every day at 4 a.m. to give him English lessons from a U.S. correspondence course. She couldn't afford the élite international school and worried he wasn't challenged enough. After two years at the Catholic school, Obama moved to a state-run elementary school closer to the new house. He was the only foreigner, says Ati Kisjanto, a classmate, but he spoke some Indonesian and made new friends.”

So he went to a Catholic school briefly because she thought it might be a better school.

On page 5 of the article, there is this:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-5,00.html

“Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population, but Obama’s household was not religious. ‘My mother, whose parents were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists, was one of the most spiritual souls I ever knew,’ Obama said in a 2007 speech. ‘But she had a healthy skepticism of religion as an institution. And as a consequence, so did I.’”

What is a “healthy skepticism of religion as an institution” for a devout Christian?

39 posted on 10/21/2008 10:11:50 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: jessduntno

Not a prob. lol


40 posted on 10/21/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I'm voting for the woman. All the others PALIN comparison.)
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To: tbpiper; jessduntno

Oops, you are correct.

Nothin’ to see here folks, move along...


41 posted on 10/21/2008 10:13:44 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I'm voting for the woman. All the others PALIN comparison.)
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To: Vasilli22

Barack Obama comes across to me as a secular humanist who sees Jesus Christ as a figure who did some “good things” like “community organizing” and preaching “peace and tolerance”.

He inspired Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. but that’s about it for Obama’s love of Jesus. He’s too full of himself to acknowledge a higher power.

He doesn’t believe in a Father to “come to”.

He carries around Hindu monkey charms in his pocket.

What is his faith? Socialism.


42 posted on 10/21/2008 10:14:27 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: zot

To be clear, Obama said that if things get nasty (with people harassing muslims in America after another 9-11 type terrorist attack) he would side with muslims.

HOWEVER, Barack Obama’s followers are already getting nasty towards McCain-Palin supporters (assault, vandalism, arson, witchhunts) and he is NOT siding with Republicans’ rights to their political beliefs.


43 posted on 10/21/2008 10:17:09 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: GreyFriar

Well that puts Obama more on Jesus’ side than Christopher Hitchens. He denies that Jesus even existed and claims that there is more evidence of a King Arthur than a Jesus.


44 posted on 10/21/2008 10:18:49 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: wagglebee

GG: What is sin?
OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values.

Moral Absolutes PING


45 posted on 10/21/2008 10:21:43 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: stayathomemom

Exactly! The Bible is CLEAR - Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. Sin is disobedience to God and His Holy Spirit, not disobedience to ourselves, barak. Not sure He’s been reading his Bible.


46 posted on 10/21/2008 11:17:59 AM PDT by Godsgirl
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To: stayathomemom

Exactly! The Bible is CLEAR - Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.
Sin is disobedience to God and His Holy Spirit, not disobedience to ourselves, barak. Not sure He’s been reading his Bible. When he said “people haven’t been reading their Bibles” he must have been referring to himself.


47 posted on 10/21/2008 11:21:49 AM PDT by Godsgirl
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To: Godsgirl

Sorry double posted, didn’t see it posted when I came back on the ist time so I added to it and posted again. Sorry bout that.


48 posted on 10/21/2008 11:23:53 AM PDT by Godsgirl
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To: Godsgirl

He believes in a living Bible just like we need a living interpretation of the constitution.


49 posted on 10/21/2008 11:37:47 AM PDT by weegee (In honor of Joe the Plumber, at noon, we should all lower our trousers to half mast.)
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To: jessduntno
Obama believes:
  1. "Jesus is an historical figure for [him]."
  2. Personal belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior is not necessary
  3. Right standing before God is achieved by works
  4. Sin is "being out of alignment with his (Obama's) values."

Jesus claims:

  1. He is the "Alpha and Omega", the beginning and the end.
  2. Unless a man be born again that he cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
  3. He is the truth, the way and the life, and no man comes to the Father except by Him.
  4. Sin is being out of alignment with God's values (the Law).

50 posted on 10/21/2008 11:44:29 AM PDT by nonsporting
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