Posted on 10/14/2008 6:52:37 AM PDT by Columbo
Live presser coming up shortly.
Yawn
Move out of the way.
How come CSPAN puts it in the archives to make it look like the presser has already happened?
What’s he gonna say? ACORN is his friend? All their staffers are his colleagues? We have nothing to fear from ACORN? ACORN is respectful?
When are the Republicans gonna grow a pair?
We need a conservative party.
Yes, you’re correct. It looks like it already took place.
Hmmm
Unless he has anything of substance to say it won’t matter.
Every time I see an ACORN person I get the image of those Scientologist recruiters.
Poor disillusion kids are getting used and abused.
bttt
You said all the things I was going to say.
The Democrats are mean, and nasty, and then they claim that the Republicans are just what the Democrats are.
Obama has been running ads here in Ohio about McCain taxing healthcare and not stepping in to cover pre-existing conditions. It’s getting HUGE traction. The Obama ads are filled with lies and misrepresentations, but the Republicans are the ones that are mean?
McCain isn’t answering these ads, and it’s hurting him big.
Fox is carrying it live.
<>When are the Republicans gonna grow a pair?</I> gotta have more male chromosones to do that.
I just heard on Fox that ACORN registered Micky Mouse to vote. ACORN is now going to have their own news conference to answer the mean disenfranchising Republicans who don’t like them stealing the election for Obama.
is Clinton News Network airing it?
I don’t know. I just saw a live stream link on FNC home page.
So will it go something like...”You do not have to be afraid of ACORN. They are a good organization. I admire their accomplishments.”
McCain needs to do the right thing here...ACORN mut be stopped. I think someone should call for a delay in the election so that these bogus voter registrations can be identified and confiscated for evidence in the criminal investigations.
Totally off topic brownsfan, but,,,Browns looked pretty good last night! I was surprised!
Obama was in charge of the Project Vote/ACORN registration in 1990s in Chicago. Were there any false registrations then?
Wonder if they are personally going to break the big ACORN fraud story we were supposed to hear about this morning.
Okay folks, I’m about to embark on a rant because I’ve had quite enough.
This is the freaking United States of America. Technology allows phone calls over the Internet, video-conferencing, banking on our cell phones. WHY THE HELL CAN’T WE HAVE A DECENT, ORDERLY WELL-RUN ELECTION?
Why do the Dems get to steal the election cause folks they are going to steal this election I double damn guarantee.
And the pubbies sit back and arch their eyebrows angrily. At times they get out of the tanning booth and oncit a pubbie actually got his nail polish smeared.
For the best insurance in the world against an unfair election is an active and aggressive opposition party and folks, we don’t have that.
Now I just listened to Danforth and yes he had an eyebrow arched damn up to his hairline he was so angry.
Here’s what the pubs need to do....
Despite our constant efforts in many states, including the crucial states of Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Indiana, we cannot stop an organization guided and financed on many levels by the Barack Obama campaign from illegally registering voters. Such illegally registered voters, if not caught, can vote multiple times.
My fellow Americans....our soldiers have given their lives on battlefields across the planet to preserve that most precious benchmark of freedom....that is One Man/Woman, One Vote.
The Republican party must now ask that concerned citizens across the fruited plains unite in an effort to stop this voter fraud. We ask that local Republican parties organize a batallion of volunteers to both serve as witness to the voting and the counting. We ask that volunteers stand outside EVERY polling place in America.
We do not want violence and all local laws should be adhered to in terms of where witnesses may be and for any crowd permits as requuired.
My fellow Americans, we ask that YOU stand in silence but WATCH, watch softly, watch quietly, but let the world know you are watching. If you should see the same fellow entering the polling place three or four times, report it. Do not intimidate and do not cause trouble. In most cases just our silent but ever-vigilent presence will discourage all but the most egregious forms of voter fraud.
Call you local Republican office to sign up or for more information. Visit our web site at WEWILLNOTLETTHEMSTEALOURELECTION.com.
Sometimes my fellow Americans, you have to take a stand. This upcoming election is one such time.
Also, heh, let’s see how our candidate handles all this. His attack on this insult to our most basic of liberties will say about him all we need to know.
STOP THE ELECTION!!!! President BUsh needs to call out the Military for the wrong in our OWN LAND... we send troups to others and have it UNDER OUR NOSE! There should at least be a postponment of the date and sort this all out!!!!
The “McCain taxing healthcare” lie was something my pro-Obama son (from California) said to me. The campaign has got to go out there and challenge this.
The problem is that tax issues are very complicated. Personally, I think that if McCain had pitched a Fair Tax proposal, that would have completely changed the race, because people would have been able to understand it.
But with a complicated issue like taxes and tax credits, Obama is allowed to skate on his lies because most people sort of let their eyes glaze over and go for the slogan when confronted with it.
If he doesn’t wrap Obama in an Acorn Flag, and repeat it over and over, he should stop wting our time.
The msg on the player say going live shortly?
Wow ... bitching and moaning even before he says a word on the subject.
Are you always such a waste of space, or did you just forget your coffee this morning?
Live Now
"I am SOOOO busted"
ACORN Press Conf. live thread
We need to send Jimmy Carter to monitor the election.
I need verification on this, I have friends who are conservative & they are going to vote Obama because of this lie!!! HELP NOW!
I have faith in America, and that we will only lose this election if we allow the Democrat Party to steal this election. Every freeper should consider being a poll worker or poll watcher!, and aggressively challenge any fraudulent voter!
oops, copied the wrong ping list, sorry to my previous ping.
Is this on now? What channel?
Did anyone see Megan Kelly OWNING that hippie from ACORN after the presser? Yikes!!
Can wait for the youtube link...
Did McCain already speak? What did he say?
I'm sure someone on the thread will be more than happy point out why that can't happen, but that IS what needs to happen.
I think you have brought up a very important point. Does anybody here know how we can contact the McCain campaign?
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now Acorn v. City of Florida City, 447 So.2d 1363 (Fla. App. 3 Dist., 1984)
appeal by acorn dismissed.
not much there.
however we need a list of ACORN EMPLOYEE CONVICTIONS.
ACORN spokefrauds are using big lie theory because their lies need only last two weeks.
They scream “shame on you” and deny deny deny.
NOBODY is calling them on this stuff.
again we need a case list of convictions.
Yup. But at this point, judging by his track record, I don't see it happening. Still, I think he can pull this out if the market climbs and the 527s do the partisan thing for him.
444 So.2d 37
ASSOCIATION OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR REFORM NOW/ACORN, a non-profit corporation; Verna Lee Dukes; Alberta Gidden, individually and on behalf of all those similarly situated, Appellants,
v.
CITY OF FLORIDA CITY, a municipal corporation; John Calualtti, in his capacity as Mayor of Florida City; Otis Wallace; Juanita Smith; Arturo De Leon; Jennie Notaro, in their official capacity as city commissioners of the City of Florida City, Appellees.
No. 83-1272.
District Court of Appeal of Florida,
Third District.
Dec. 27, 1983.
Rehearing Denied Feb. 13, 1984.
Joseph P. Hoffman, Leon Sharpe, Miami, for appellants.
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Joseph F. Tomassi, Homestead, for appellees.
Before HENDRY, NESBITT and DANIEL S. PEARSON, JJ.
NESBITT, Judge.
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (the Class) brought this class action seeking an order invalidating certain special assessments levied by the City of Florida City (the City) for a sewer system. The Class also sought to enjoin the City’s foreclosure actions against the properties of those who have not paid the assessment. This is an appeal from a final judgment in favor of the City.
The trial court held that the special assessments for the sewer system improvement, the assessment liens and the foreclosure actions were valid against the members of the Class. The court below made specific findings of special benefit to the Class. The Class contends that the trial court’s holding was unsupported in fact and law.
Factually, the Class asserts that the distances between the properties of the Class members and the system made the system inaccessible. The Class incorrectly asserts that property must abut the improvement to be assessed for it. All property abutting or within the protective proximity of a sewer system improvement may be assessed. City of Hallandale v. Meekins, 237 So.2d 318 (Fla. 4th DCA 1970). Whether the properties of the Class were within the “protective proximity” was a factual determination concerning which both parties had the opportunity to present evidence and expert testimony to the trial court. We will not disturb the factual conclusions of the lower court when, as here, the judgment is supported by sufficient evidence in the record. Airborne Freight Corp. v. Fleming International Airways, Inc., 423 So.2d 921, 922 (Fla. 3d DCA 1982).
In addition, the Class asserts that there can be no special benefit from the sewer system before the system is completed. In this regard, the Class contends that the trial court’s finding of benefit is unsupported in both fact and law. Legally, the Class asserts that there can be no assessment for a future benefit. This is not correct. The City may calculate the benefit to be derived and levy a special assessment for the improvement before actually completing the improvement. Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Winter Haven, 112 Fla. 807, 114 Fla. xxv [corrected opinion], 151 So. 321 (1933), the Florida Supreme Court stated that “if specially assessed property is, or may be, enhanced in value by the improvement when made, it is subject to an assessment in proportion to the benefits it will likely receive from the execution of the work.” Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Gainesville, 83 Fla. 275, 91 So. 118, 121 (1922) (”it is presumed or assumed that all property abutting on a street to be improved will or may be benefitted ....”).
The Class states it is a self-evident fact that there can be no benefit from a sewer one cannot use. The City made the assessments according to “the McCabe plan,” developed by a city engineer, which divided the sewer project into four phases. Under the McCabe plan, each property owner would be deemed to receive a further benefit as each phase of the sewer construction was completed. Those who were actually using the system were assessed at a higher rate than those who were not. The City determined that under the plan all taxpayers would be specially assessed in direct proportion to the benefit received.
The burden was on the Class to overcome the dual presumptions that a sewer system improvement is of special benefit to those in proximity to it, see City of Hallandale v. Meekins (not necessary for city to make specific finding of special benefit to each parcel abutting or within protective proximity of sanitary sewer improvement because such an improvement is by its nature designed to afford special or peculiar benefit to those properties) and that the legislative determination of special benefit is correct. See Meyer v. City of
Page 39
Oakland Park, 219 So.2d 417 (Fla.1969); City of Winter Haven; Atlantic Coastline Ry. v. City of Gainesville. If reasonable men could differ over whether there was a special benefit, the court must defer to the determination of the city officials. City of Gainesville v. Seaboard Coastline Ry., 385 So.2d 1069 (Fla. 1st DCA 1980); City of Hallandale v. Meekins. The Class has clearly failed to sustain its burden of overcoming these presumptions. Whether the assessment is for the future benefit of a completed system or for the present benefit derived from a partially completed system, 1 it is clear that the Class was indeed properly assessed for the sewer system improvement.
The judgment below is affirmed.
1 It is also clear that the assessments are contributions for a completed system, regardless of whether the Class is deemed to have been benefitted by partial completion. We have no reason to doubt that the City will complete the system and provide sewer service to the Class. Having levied assessments against the Class, the City has entitled the Class to a completed system and the Class is not without legal recourse to enforce this right should the City fail to complete the sewer.
Amen—much more of this namby-pamby stuff from Ol’”Fighter Pilot” and we’re toast.
Maybe instead of an elephant, we can adopt Wile-E-Coyote as our mascot.
As I said on anyother thread, all these sons of the rich and powerful: “Fighter jock”, “Poker Player”, “Stategery” “Yale MBA” blah blah blah—and what’s the end result of all these hotshots going head to head with Nagin, the Dem Congresscreeps, Obama, anyone? Getting played like a fiddle by a bunch of scum as our country is slipping away.
I hope to God I’m wrong and Mac uncorks a KO punch. God, I hope so. But he’s burnin’ daylight.
“Totally off topic brownsfan, but,,,Browns looked pretty good last night! I was surprised!”
No more surprised than me, or those of us in NE Ohio who follow the Browns. Pretty shocking.
Sorry to shout, but DID MCCAIN SPEAK AT THE PRESSER YET??
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