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Concern in G.O.P. After Rough Week for McCain (GOP wimps approve of McCain's new nicer tone)
new york times ^ | 10/11/2008 | ADAM NAGOURNEY and ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 10/11/2008 6:32:23 PM PDT by tobyhill

After a turbulent week that included new disclosures about Gov. Sarah Palin and signs that Senator John McCain was struggling to strike the right tone for his campaign, Republican leaders said Saturday they were worried that Mr. McCain was heading for defeat unless he brought stability to his presidential candidacy and settled on a clear message to counter Senator Barack Obama.

Again and again, party leaders said in interviews that while they still believed that Mr. McCain could win over voters in the next 30 days, they were concerned that he and his advisers seemed to be adrift in dealing with an extraordinarily challenging political battleground and a crisis on Wall Street.

The expressions of concern came after a particularly difficult week for Mr. McCain. On Friday night, new questions arose about his choice of Ms. Palin as his running mate after an investigation by the Alaska Legislature concluded that Ms. Palin had abused her power in trying to orchestrate the firing of her former brother-in-law, a state trooper.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; handwringers; mccain; obama; rino
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1 posted on 10/11/2008 6:32:24 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

>...new questions arose about his choice of Ms. Palin as his running mate after an investigation by the Alaska Legislature concluded that Ms. Palin had abused her power in trying to orchestrate the firing of her former brother-in-law, a state trooper.<

that is b.s.

if you read the report, on p.8, it says she was within her right to fire him.


2 posted on 10/11/2008 6:33:53 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: tobyhill

Nice guys always finish last. There is no “honor” in politics. Trying to inject some is a dumbass idea.


3 posted on 10/11/2008 6:34:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandkids in the eye when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

...these people need to channel the spirit of Jesse Helms...


4 posted on 10/11/2008 6:35:45 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: tobyhill

There are no questions about his choice. Stupid article.


5 posted on 10/11/2008 6:35:47 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach (Rep. Thaddeus McCotter is my hero.)
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To: tobyhill

These lowlifes have decided to just completely make stuff up now.
And it’s working. Most people, especially those who are still on the fence about whom they will be voting for, get their information from these despicable creatures.


6 posted on 10/11/2008 6:36:41 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: tobyhill

I am definitely not a GOP wimp. When the guy in Wisconsin yelled, “I’m MAD ... I’m REAL MAD.” That could have been me. I’m mad as hell that McCain won’t fight back. If it takes Sarah to do it and drag McCain across the finish line then so be it.


7 posted on 10/11/2008 6:38:46 PM PDT by chippewaman
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To: tobyhill

made up fishwrap filled with unnamed sources telling mccain to play dead.


8 posted on 10/11/2008 6:38:58 PM PDT by nhwingut (,)
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To: tobyhill
I remember Bob Dole dithering "Should I go negative?" He didn't and he lost, McCain doesn't need to wonder how it will turn out if he isn't negative truthful. Dobbs called it being "sanctimonious."
9 posted on 10/11/2008 6:39:19 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: tobyhill

Dennis Miller said, “McCain is going to etiquette himself right out the door.”


10 posted on 10/11/2008 6:39:39 PM PDT by Malesherbes (es)
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To: tobyhill

I saw McCain on NBC News scolding a older woman about calling Obama an Arab. McCain should have just not answered her and took the mike. Then he said Obama was a descent Human Being and he just differs with him on the issues. I beginning to think that if Fidel Castro was a Senator. McCain would say the same thing. Granted Obama has not murdered anyone but. Obama is not a moderate, he is a communist Socialist with an idea to Social Engineer the country! I don’t want this person in the White house period!


11 posted on 10/11/2008 6:39:48 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tobyhill

It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.


12 posted on 10/11/2008 6:40:31 PM PDT by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: gusopol3

I think we need to revisit Isaiah 54:17

“No weapon that is formed against you will prosper; And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their vindication is from Me,” declares the LORD.”


13 posted on 10/11/2008 6:40:48 PM PDT by DocT111
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To: All

Message to John McCain. The media doesn’t like you anymore. They are in the tank for Obama. You can’t without going after Obama.


14 posted on 10/11/2008 6:41:20 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: tobyhill

MISSING.......



If found, please return to the GOP...ASAP.


15 posted on 10/11/2008 6:41:47 PM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan ("What is wrong with this country? Have we run completely out of bullets?" Tom Griswold of Bob & Tom)
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To: tobyhill

What idiot Republican leader besides the head of the NRCC who loves the NY Times would talk to them with this bunch of nonsense? This sounds like what he would say because earlier he said it didn’t make any difference who we elected as our nominee as long as it was close. What a guy to head the NRCC.


16 posted on 10/11/2008 6:41:49 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER -- VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: tallyhoe

I think those people are Democrat plants designed to make Republicans look ignorant and violent.


17 posted on 10/11/2008 6:42:14 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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Dear John,

This softer gentler stuff is going to make me throw up.
18 posted on 10/11/2008 6:42:32 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: tobyhill

Sen. McCain is still working on the swing vote until the ground swell anger against ACORN fraud and Obama hip bone connection to it becomes a household term.


19 posted on 10/11/2008 6:42:32 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (Pro Life from conception to natural death)
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To: tobyhill

Message to bone headed GOP leadership. You screwed the party up probably beyond repair. STOP GIVING ADVICE.

Oh and by the way, you can’t count either. There is 23 days until election day not 30. IDIOTS!


20 posted on 10/11/2008 6:42:42 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: PhiKapMom

Being a nice guy got him behind in the polls. Being a bad guy will either do the same or do better. The choice is clear: hammer Obama until you break the hammer.


21 posted on 10/11/2008 6:42:53 PM PDT by mudblood
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To: tobyhill
The New York Times is the last place I would look for political intelligence.

What could be effective, is if you simply reversed everything they said.  Do the opposite.  You'll win.


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22 posted on 10/11/2008 6:43:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: SaltyJoe
ground swell anger against ACORN fraud and Obama hip bone connection to it becomes a household term

I'm guessing that may happen around April of 2009.

23 posted on 10/11/2008 6:44:21 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: tallyhoe
McWimp should just shut up and pass the mic around to the crowd and let the people who are going to vote for him have their say.
24 posted on 10/11/2008 6:44:41 PM PDT by tobyhill (If you don't give to the ghetto, the ghetto will take from you.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
JOHN S. MCCAIN WOULD WIN 85% of UNDECIDED VOTERS in these last few days if he would EXPRESS HIS OPEN SUPPORT OF THE GOP 2008 PLATFORM ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and he and Sarah Palin made Clear, Definitive Comments on Amnesty (their opposition) and The Fence (their support).

Obama could not answer this because his party's platform and he himself is for mass legalization of these invaders.

There you have it. This is how McCain get swoop up massive segments of the Undecideds.

Do YOU want him to do this?

Do YOU want him to win the election?

Does HE want to win the election?


25 posted on 10/11/2008 6:44:46 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Silver Lining to McCain's Defeat: We can, at once, seize the GOP from RINO leadership & clean house.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Maybe so, but I don’t want McCain to whip out I’m getting real mad and If McCain starts playing little games I won’t vote for him! I want him to go after this Communist!


26 posted on 10/11/2008 6:44:59 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tobyhill
why does anyone believe a thing from the NY Slimes ?????
These people LIE about everything ????
This story is crap.
THE NY Slimes does not know a Repub.
Go out and work for the Palin >
We did in N Calif and it was a busy office this Sat .
No one sat around and complained about a made up NY Slimes Hit Piece !
27 posted on 10/11/2008 6:45:13 PM PDT by ncalburt
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To: FlingWingFlyer

McCain is going to “nice” us right into four years or more of Obama. :-(


28 posted on 10/11/2008 6:45:15 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: mudblood

Bingo! I say hammer Obama about Ayers, Rezko, ACORN, etc. Go after Obama with all gloves off as Obama has to be defeated.


29 posted on 10/11/2008 6:45:29 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER -- VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: tobyhill

30 posted on 10/11/2008 6:45:44 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Put Palin in the White House. Send McCain to Sun City, AZ)
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To: tobyhill
Good God Almighty these people are embarrassing.
What spineless mealy mouth wimps.
Palin broke no law.
JSM aggressive tone, what aggressive tone the apology.
If it were not for Palin I would be voting 3rd party.
31 posted on 10/11/2008 6:46:07 PM PDT by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t think we can expect ADAM NAGOURNEY and ELISABETH BUMILLER to be especially helpful or informative. They are both left-wing pimps of the DNC who delight in lying and disinformation.


32 posted on 10/11/2008 6:46:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: chippewaman
I couldn't agree with you more.

I just emailed the campaign telling them to get their sh*t together.

At the moment, the campaign doesn't seem to have a clue and are floundering around.

Simply put, Obama has the most incredible amount of political baggage. And, instead of focusing on this like a laser, McCain is being Mr Nice Guy, praising this socialist.

He (McCain) still hasn't figured out that he's in a war and he better do so pretty darned quickly or he's going to lose, and lose badly.

33 posted on 10/11/2008 6:46:23 PM PDT by sofaman (Moses dragged us through the desert for 40 years to the one place in the ME with no oil - Golda Meir)
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To: tobyhill
Source: New York Times.

Use your own discretion.

34 posted on 10/11/2008 6:48:16 PM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: TADSLOS
Is that where I lost that thing?
35 posted on 10/11/2008 6:49:37 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: tobyhill

if McCain is afraid of being called racist, let Sarah take over


36 posted on 10/11/2008 6:51:45 PM PDT by hecht
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To: Cicero
They are left-wing hacks but they probably have a pocket full of RINOs that will say whatever they want them to say. McCain doesn't have to skip a message to blast Obama, he can do both in the same breath.
37 posted on 10/11/2008 6:51:52 PM PDT by tobyhill (If you don't give to the ghetto, the ghetto will take from you.)
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To: comebacknewt
Not everyone has Internet connection, and CNN is just starting to go after this hard (timing is right).

ACORN voter FRAUD - Obama FRAUD - stealing an election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zF70i8nsmY&feature=user

Now that CNN is digging deep, the other media outlets will go after it too. It's bigger than that tasergate crap of Gov. Palin protecting her family from a rogue cop. Similarly, media won't have to fly all the way to Alaska for a story—they can just take a drive downtown to any major city afflicted with a supposed disenfranchised voter base wanting another free handout.

38 posted on 10/11/2008 6:52:35 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (Pro Life from conception to natural death)
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To: novemberslady
McCain was a hideous candidate in 2000 and he's only older, more decrepit and hideous in 2008.

We surely are the stupid party for nominating this 'tard.

39 posted on 10/11/2008 6:52:35 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: chippewaman

yes but the anger must be controlled and we must never lose our rationality otherwise we’ll just look like a bunch of crazy kooks. That’s what Obama is counting on.


40 posted on 10/11/2008 6:53:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("He (Obama) cannot win, Bill. He cannot win" -Hillary)
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To: sofaman

I know this may come across badly to some, but I get the feeling McCain got too used to being a POW and lost or maybe really never had that fighter instinct.


41 posted on 10/11/2008 6:55:27 PM PDT by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: tobyhill

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4926283.ece

From The Sunday Times
October 12, 2008
McCain tussles with Palin over whipping up a mob mentality
Sarah Baxter

With his electoral prospects fading by the day, Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign.

McCain has become alarmed about the fury unleashed by Sarah Palin, the moose-hunting “pitbull in lipstick”, against Senator Barack Obama. Cries of “terrorist” and “kill him” have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.

Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.

Palin, 44, has led the character attacks on Obama in the belief that McCain may be throwing away the election and her chance of becoming vice-president. Her supporters think that if the Republican ticket loses on November 4, she should run for president in 2012.

A leading Republican consultant said: “A lot of conservatives are grumbling about what a poor job McCain is doing. They are rolling their eyes and saying, ‘Yes, a miracle could happen, but at this rate it is all over’.

“Sarah Palin is no fool. She sees the same thing and wants to salvage what she can. She is positioning herself for the future. Her best days could be in front of her. She wants to look as though she was the fighter, the person with the spunk who was out there taking it to the Democrats.”

McCain, 72, has encouraged voters to contrast his character with Obama’s. The campaign launched a tough television commercial last week questioning, “Who is Barack Obama?”

Frank Keating, McCain’s campaign co-chairman, last week called the Democrat a “guy off the street” and said he should admit that he had “used cocaine”.

McCain believes the attacks have spun out of control. At a rally in Lakeville, Minnesota, the Arizona senator became visibly angry when he was booed for calling Obama “a decent person”. He took the microphone from an elderly woman who said she disliked Obama because he was “Arab”, saying, “No ma’am, no ma’am”.

When another questioner demanded that he tell the truth about Obama, he said: “I want everybody to be respectful and let’s be sure we are.”

However, his campaign has stepped up its negative advertising against Obama, accusing him of lying about his relationship with William Ayers, the leader of the Weather Underground group responsible for bombing the Capitol and the Pentagon in the early 1970s, who is now a Chicago professor.

Palin has continued to lead the charge against Obama’s alleged lack of candour. At a rally in Wilmington, Ohio, she mocked him for attending a supporters’ meeting in Ayers’s home when he was seeking to become an Illinois state senator in 1995. “He didn’t know he launched his career in the living room of a domestic terrorist until he did know,” Palin said.

“Some will say, jeez Sarah, it’s getting negative. No it’s not negativity. It’s truthfulness.” The crowd bellowed its appreciation with chants of “Nobama” and “Go Sarah Go!”

John Weaver, a former senior McCain adviser who left the campaign when it almost imploded in the summer of last year, questioned the purpose of the attacks.

“People need to understand, for moral reasons and the protection of our civil society, that the differences with Senator Obama are ideological, based on clear differences on policy and a lack of experience compared with Senator McCain,” he said.

“And from a purely practical political vantage point, please find me a swing voter, an undecided independent, or a torn female voter that finds an angry mob mentality attractive.”

A McCain official confirmed that there was dissension in the campaign. “There is always going to be a debate about the costs and benefits of any strategy,” he said.

“After November 4, the feelings of individuals will come to light. It is only natural and will be expected.”

Palin’s frustration with McCain has led to clashes over strategy. When she learnt he was pulling resources from Michigan, an industrial swing state leaning heavily in Obama’s favour, she fired off an e-mail saying, “Oh come on, do we have to?” and offered to travel there with her husband Todd, four-times winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow-mobile race.

She also told Bill Kristol, the conservative New York Times columnist, that she wished the campaign would make more of Obama’s 20-year association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, his controversial former pastor, who said, “God damn America”.

more...


42 posted on 10/11/2008 6:56:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon (When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight (Isaiah 59:19)
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To: Saab-driving Yuppie

lol... that’s my new tagline.


43 posted on 10/11/2008 6:58:43 PM PDT by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: tobyhill

Adam and Liz two lefty odumbo supporters are really concerned about McCains message. I guess he is starting to do something right


44 posted on 10/11/2008 7:05:22 PM PDT by italianquaker (I heard Gallup just polled and kerry really did win)
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To: billorites
We surely are the stupid party for nominating this 'tard.

I don't think we did... I think cross-over voting and the MSM nominated John McCain.

45 posted on 10/11/2008 7:05:33 PM PDT by madison10
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To: tobyhill

“Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.”

Then lose.


46 posted on 10/11/2008 7:05:40 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: roses of sharon
***Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat”***

unfreakinbelievable! McCain is surrounded by wimps and it's turning him into a wimp.

47 posted on 10/11/2008 7:06:25 PM PDT by tobyhill (If you don't give to the ghetto, the ghetto will take from you.)
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To: tobyhill

So what? McCain can call for anything. The crowds will yell what they want.


48 posted on 10/11/2008 7:08:19 PM PDT by netmilsmom ( Obama And Osama both have friends who bombed the Pentagon)
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To: billorites
...and another thing. Do you honestly thing that anyone EXCEPT John McCain would have nominated Governor Sarah Palin? I don't think so.

The other nominees, with the exception of possibly Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, would have chosen their twin for a running mate. Only a person who thought outside the box, like John McCain, would have even considered Sarah.

A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down...;)

49 posted on 10/11/2008 7:08:43 PM PDT by madison10
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To: netmilsmom

As the crowds should. The crowds should also treat the media like the enemy they are.


50 posted on 10/11/2008 7:11:03 PM PDT by tobyhill (If you don't give to the ghetto, the ghetto will take from you.)
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