California ISO worries battery powered cars may strain grid

CA has had Brownouts...

and Grayouts...

Now for the blackouts

LOL

California’s attitude toward developing its own supply of eneregy comes back to bite them.

That’s OK, we can plug them into the windmills.

We cannot build any power plants here so what is the surprise. Over the course of the last few years, millions of acres have burned in fires without losing a single house yet, we don't seem to have any space to put a power plant unless the government says it needs to be right next to a minority community causing protests.

California has set aside, thanks to Sen Difi - 10 million acres for the turtle yet nothing for human beings. A judge ordered half the water restricted to humans here due to concerns for a silly fish.

We have a huge problem here, an inept governor, Arnold the fool, a corrupt congress, no republican or opposition party, and stupid voters. Nothing good can come from this scenario.

So build some nuclear plants already.

Jeeze, they just now figured out that electric cars need to be charged with ELECTRICITY? Quick, form a multi-million dollar multi-year committee to figure out what to do. (Hint, hint, build nuke plants, ignore envirofacists.)

Another hint, sometime in the future they will be dealing with dead batteries. Any bets at what point they discover that there is a problem?

Well, duh. Thats a problem for the whole nation.

Not to worry. The plug-in electric cars will have propellers on top, so when there is a blackout, you push the car out in front of your house (if you know how to open your garage door without power), and hope a wind comes along to turn the propeller which will very very slowly charge the battery. “If no wind, blow on propeller”, says one of the hundreds of warning labels.

Hope you’re not in a hurry to get anywhere. But hey, if there’s a blackout, there will be nothing to do when you get there anyway.

Stibine/arsine emissions from lead-acid batteries

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6815849

Another hint, sometime in the future they will be dealing with dead batteries. Any bets at what point they discover that there is a problem?

Stibine/arsine emissions from lead-acid batteries

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6815849

John McCain’s plan to build 45 domestic nuclear power plants by 2030 sounds aggressive. The fact is that by 2030, about 45 nuclear power plants will have reached their end-of-life (assuming that they are granted a 20 year extension to their 40 year operating license).

John McCain’s plan only maintains the status quo. It doesn’t account for growth or new demands.

If electric cars somehow become feasible (or are mandated), we are going to need 150 new domestic nuclear power plants by 2030 to keep up with replacement, new growth and the automotive load.

Needless to say, Obama’s lack of vision on nuclear power is simply irresponsible.

Don’t say that or else. In ten years power will be growing on trees according to Obie.

John McCain’s plan to build 45 domestic nuclear power plants by 2030 sounds aggressive.

Heck, 32 new reactors are all ready in the approval process.

We could import rickshaws from Japan.

Never mind, too much PC garbage to deal with.

Electric cars are more toxic... arsine gas...

http://www.haz-map.com/renal.htm

"We really don't know yet," what the impact will be,

That about sums up the entire envirowacko position.

Or the solar panels...

That’s impossible! They don’t use gas!

DUH!

Can we divide the country and put all the liberals and stupid do gooders in one half and rest of us in the other?

The problem is the 10 years it takes to get approved and the other burdens government puts on construction and use.

You know, whenever electric cars have been brought up, I’ve asked this question. If we need to conserve energy by turning off lights and using CFLs, how does it make sense that electric cars are a good thing? Nice to see that someone else is finally officially concerned.

The idiot politicians in California mandated electric cars years ago...then had to backtrack because the technology wasn’t there. Now, years later, they realize that the power infrastructure can’t even handle the load anyhow. Idiots.

More on power grid limitations:

Wind Energy Bumps Into Power Grid’s Limits

"When the builders of the Maple Ridge Wind farm spent $320 million to put nearly 200 wind turbines in upstate New York, the idea was to get paid for producing electricity. But at times, regional electric lines have been so congested that Maple Ridge has been forced to shut down even with a brisk wind blowing.
That is a symptom of a broad national problem. Expansive dreams about renewable energy, like Al Gore’s hope of replacing all fossil fuels in a decade, are bumping up against the reality of a power grid that cannot handle the new demands.
The dirty secret of clean energy is that while generating it is getting easier, moving it to market is not..."

Wind Jammers

"In this year's great energy debate, Democrats describe a future when the U.S. finally embraces the anything-but-carbon avant-garde. It turns out, however, that when wind and solar power do start to come on line, they face a familiar obstacle: environmentalists and many Democrats.
To wit, the greens are blocking the very transmission network needed for renewable electricity to move throughout the economy. The best sites for wind and solar energy happen to be in the sticks -- in the desert Southwest where sunlight is most intense for longest, or the plains where the wind blows most often. To exploit this energy, utilities need to build transmission lines to connect their electricity to the places where consumers actually live. In addition to other technical problems, the transmission gap is a big reason wind only provides two-thirds of 1% of electricity generated in the U.S., and solar one-tenth of 1%.
Only last week, Duke Energy and American Electric Power announced a $1 billion joint venture to build a mere 240 miles of transmission line in Indiana necessary to accommodate new wind farms. Yet the utilities don't expect to be able to complete the lines for six long years -- until 2014, at the earliest, because of the time necessary to obtain regulatory approval and rights-of-way, plus the obligatory lawsuits..."

Na we just build coal plants in other states to the east. Try not to expand the lungs too much.

I reviewed the process of one plant (in Virginia) and the time needed to complete the paperwork is discouraging. It seems to give enough time for a Democrat Department of Energy to scuttle the project if it takes over in 2009.

to the state ruined by liberals: build more power lines and more power plants.

All these Green consumers should have solar power units on their roofs to juice up their cars.

Make it Mandatory.

During the day, most of those cars are going to be with their owners at work.

Hard to use Solar Power to charge your car during the night.

Of course you could compound the battery disposal problem from the electric cars by having twice as many batteries in the homes...

That's because libs think that power outlets are magical endless wells of power, and as long as you pay your bill, you get electricity. They think going to "electric cars" (translation: coal powered automobiles) will not only save the world, it'll solve all our energy problems instantly, whereas building nuclear plants will destroy the world and create energy problems.

On another matter, if the cars will only charge at night, what do you do during the day if you have to drive too far and need to recharge?

No kidding, and what will that do to electric rates, considering also that California already has to import a great amount of its electricity from neighboring states? But, the leftists running the state should like those high rates, then, protected as they will be on their government fat-cat salaries, the chattering masses will have to eat by candlelight.

Here’s a thought, why not build nukes? This would increase our electrical generating capacity and allow us to run electric cars without fear of overtaxing the system.

Yet at the same time, the Calif. bureaucrats have NO problem tearing out hydroelectric dams. It’s insane!

Let’s see how many are actually built. I will be surprised if 5 get built in the next 20 years.

In California, if the greens have their way, you will burn natural gas to make electricity, send it down wire to your car to be captured in a battery.
Genius !

You are darn tootin it will be a strain on grid!

That’s OK, we can plug them into the windmills.

LOL. Good one.

That’s because they think “natural gas” is something you can buy in an organic “whole foods market.” Hate to break it to Pelosi, but it actually IS a fossil fuel.

Of course you could compound the battery disposal problem from the electric cars by having twice as many batteries in the homes...

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Oh well, we'll soon be walking or riding the bus as the world collapses around us.

Here is a little thought. Instead of batteries, let’s think about those teeny tiney algae organisms.

Of course, 99% of the population flunked biology and think algae is use to make ice cream.

Instead of batteries, let’s think about those teeny tiney algae organisms.

You mean the remains of the ones buried in the sedimentary rock just offshore of California?

Or growing your own?

Better yet do both, just without government subsidy.

Much of California eccentricity problem is peek demand. The biggest seasonal change is air conditioners. California produces enough eccentricity for it’s own needs when it is not hot. The is one area solar eccentricity might work. There is an alignment of solar eccentricity efficacy and it being hot outside. While many deride the fool hearted stupidity of the nutty wacko leftist moonbat, birkenstock makes great sandals and given the rational genesis of conservatives many alternative green sources of eccentricity can be made profitable and turned in electricity.

I understand Nancy Pukeosi wants to solve the Natural Gas problem by mandating that people eat beans every day and then fart into containers, later taking these containers to a Methane recovery station. (I hope Nancy isn’t reading this and jumps on the idea)

I’m not an expert but from what I have read recharging an electric car isn’t like recharging your shaver. It requires some serious amps and I believe it takes a 220v line with a power conditioner. In order to pack this kind of power into a battery it takes a lot of juice.

And they are just noticing this now?!?

There’s no free lunch...

Our newest nuclear reactor started up in 1996. It took 23 years to get it started. The number of generating units has declined from 109 in 1994 to 104 in 2004.

Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/nuc_reactors/reactsum.html

32 units have been shut down over the past 40 odd years and eight units have been stopped during construction.

Source: http://www.animatedsoftware.com/environm/no_nukes/nukelist1.htm#PR

Nuke power, while very desirable from a rational viewpoint, faces massive NIMBY/GREENIE/POLITICAL obstacles. It will be tough to just keep up with deteriorating units needing replacement.

Growing our own algae oil, of course.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! HA!!!!!!!

What IS a lib to do? :)

The California Independent System Operator said Thursday it is eyeing an expected influx of thousands of plug-in electric cars in the state by the year 2012 that could pose a challenge to its grid's power flows unless the cars are developed to charge only at night.

okay, and we'll file that one in the same drawer as, "NASA to land on the Sun at night".

Chrysler: Half of all cars electric by 2020

09/30/2008 10:35:32 AM PDT · by shove_it · 27 replies · 362+ views
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09/27/2008 10:23:17 AM PDT · by Reaganesque · 20 replies · 575+ views
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09/26/2008 9:04:23 PM PDT · by Reaganesque · 28 replies · 801+ views
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09/26/2008 7:46:15 AM PDT · by rellimpank · 2 replies · 235+ views
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Chrysler: Half of all cars electric by 2020

Tesla to build luxury US$60,000 four seater luxury EV (Electric Vehicle)

World's fastest production car to go electric - with "several years between charging"

Electric shock