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VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Washington Times ^ | Monday, July 8, 2008 | John Voight

Posted on 10/09/2008 7:30:32 PM PDT by Gordon Greene

We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.

Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.

The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.

The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.

Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our...

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Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people

I searched and didn't find this on freerepublic... either way it bears repeating.

VERY good article.

1 posted on 10/09/2008 7:30:33 PM PDT by Gordon Greene
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To: Gordon Greene
...help create a socialist America

too late, bush is already hard at work implementing socialism.
2 posted on 10/09/2008 7:33:22 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: Gordon Greene
"This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way. "
3 posted on 10/09/2008 7:35:25 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Gordon Greene

He was great in “Holes”! Ever see that? If not, get it. Hilarious.


4 posted on 10/09/2008 7:36:32 PM PDT by albie
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To: Gordon Greene

I dunno, I can forgive him his youthfull antiwar activism but I can’t forgive him “Midnight Cowboy.”

Not that there was anything wrong with his acting, it’s just that that set the tone for dark, depressing, degenerate movies as “authentic.”


5 posted on 10/09/2008 7:37:27 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: albie

He’s kinda got that Christopher Walken personna goin’.

He’s been around a long time and I never knew he was such a strong conservative-patriot... refreshing in H’Wierd right now.


6 posted on 10/09/2008 7:39:11 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene

Bravo Mr. Voight!

God bless you.


7 posted on 10/09/2008 7:40:35 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: traumer

Great quote... the truth is probably even darker than the quote can paint.


8 posted on 10/09/2008 7:40:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene

Dang, that article doesn’t pull any punches.


9 posted on 10/09/2008 7:45:10 PM PDT by Professional
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To: sinanju

Midnight Cowboy was no fault of John Voight. He was a young actor playing a role given him by scriptwriters and a director telling a story. A story about what can happen to a naive young man in a place like NY city. Voight played the role superbly, the story was raw and real. IMO, it really deserved the best picture Oscar for that year.


10 posted on 10/09/2008 7:49:40 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: traumer

I think the writer is a dentist........./s

(for Seinfeld fans)

But, really, the writer has an “h” in his name, Jon Voight doesn’t. Is it the actor who wrote this?


11 posted on 10/09/2008 7:52:18 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Gordon Greene

You know it’s really something how I know there are many prayers for good leaders to rise and Sarah Palin comes on scene, then John Voight writing several strong, reasoned pieces hitting at the heart of the problem.

However one chooses to look at it, I’m very thankful for folks like these standing up, saying things we can relate to, shining the light of truth in dark corners and I thank them for their strength and courage and the skills to say these things in the right manner with intelligence and reason.


12 posted on 10/09/2008 7:53:15 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: Bullish
IMO, it really deserved the best picture Oscar for that year.

It won.

13 posted on 10/09/2008 7:53:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

This is so bizarre - here we are in the midst of a downward spiral, a meltdown brought on by the friends of and the policies of the guy who is ahead in the polls and who is being helped by the fraud of the very people on whose behalf he successfully sued the banks to force the banks to provide
preferential treatment that precipitated the meltdown and will now be underwritten by the taxpayers to keep things from getting even worse.

HOW DUMB ARE WE? Anyone who actually pays taxes and votes for this flim flam man is a MORON.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 7:54:42 PM PDT by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: tuckrdout
.... driving in the Jon Voight's car
15 posted on 10/09/2008 7:55:21 PM PDT by traumer
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To: P-Marlowe

And like I said, it really deserved to.


16 posted on 10/09/2008 7:55:51 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: tuckrdout

Follow the link on the article...


17 posted on 10/09/2008 7:55:57 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene

I see it was written by the Actor.

Strong, moving article! I wish he would make a tv ad.

His story is very convincing! He was fooled by the Marxists, and can expose the fact that Obama is using the same tactics!

He is so brave. His own family disagrees with him, and he is throwing himself out there for certain ridicule. I am going to go out and buy everyone of is videos....except “coming home”!


18 posted on 10/09/2008 7:56:15 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Bullish

It was rated “X” at the time. These days the same movie would be rated PG.


19 posted on 10/09/2008 7:57:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene
It's exactly the way totalitarianism came to power in other countries (with great disasters to follow). I pray America has a better immune system than Germany or Russia of the past.

However, if, say, a year ago I was told that 90% of the US media willingly and with great enthusiasm converts itself into unabashed propagandists, forgets any tenets of journalism and gets weak at the knees seeing “the glorious leader”, I would not believe that. Too bad this is what just unfolds before our very eyes.

20 posted on 10/09/2008 7:58:27 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: tuckrdout

... in these sad days, inspiration comes from the oddest of places.

I get tired of Hollywood morons pummeling us with their illogical, moronic, immoral opinions. Mr. Voight’s article was a breath of fresh air.


21 posted on 10/09/2008 8:00:23 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: alecqss

Voigt gave a sweet and poignant portrayal of George Washingtin in “An American “Carol”


22 posted on 10/09/2008 8:01:22 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: P-Marlowe

Watch it again sometime. It would be rated R. Or whatever the equivalent is these days.


23 posted on 10/09/2008 8:03:51 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: brushcop

I too am thankful. Because Obama has weeded out the good Democrats, those people who truly love this country, and know that he is not good for it; from those who are self serving communists. The good ones can not in good conscience support this marxist.


24 posted on 10/09/2008 8:04:01 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: traumer

LOL!!! Thanks for getting it! LOL!


25 posted on 10/09/2008 8:05:09 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Gordon Greene

Thank you for posting this excellent article by Mr. Voight. America needs his words more than ever.


26 posted on 10/09/2008 8:07:46 PM PDT by Edgewood Pilot
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To: tuckrdout

“I think the writer is a dentist........./s

(for Seinfeld fans)”

Are you calling Voight an “anti-dentite?”


27 posted on 10/09/2008 8:08:16 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Bullish
Watch it again sometime.

I only needed to see it once. I was underage at the time and had to sneak in the back door of the theater. One of my 18 year old friends bought a ticket and the rest of us went around to the back exit and waited for him to have a chance to open the exit door.

That movie left a mark. It was typical of the time when all the movies of the late 60's left you depressed as hell when you left the theater.

These days I get depressed when I see a movie because the only adjective that screenwriters know how to use starts with an f and ends with a k.

28 posted on 10/09/2008 8:15:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, right?


29 posted on 10/09/2008 8:16:45 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: tuckrdout

Absolutely!


30 posted on 10/09/2008 8:17:58 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene

Yes it was. Now, I wish he would step a little further, and make an ad for McCain.


31 posted on 10/09/2008 8:18:10 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Gordon Greene; All
I copied & sent it out via e-mail. Tested the links & they work.

Great article - one everyone needs to read.

32 posted on 10/09/2008 8:18:16 PM PDT by lakey (Politicians thrive on chaos, so they create it ....)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; Calpernia; Brad's Gramma
Awakening....ping

Sinese, Grammer; Selleck; Turner; Willis and Woods....get it. Many others too.
33 posted on 10/09/2008 8:21:14 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: lakey

No doubt...

I was surprised not to find it in the archives.
An actor who has a brain and passion outside a script?

I hope he does go more vocal in the last few weeks before the election. His message is way too well articulated to be lost in the shuffle.


34 posted on 10/09/2008 8:23:35 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: traumer
I think the car finally ended up here:


35 posted on 10/09/2008 8:24:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Film making is not about pleasing everyone. Like it or not, it is an art form and an important part of our freedom of speech, that we so rightly cherish in this country.

MC shocked many people at the time, it shook things up in Hollywood too. It was an extremely well made character study. It showed a different side of life in a very real setting. But above all it made people think and in my opinion, that’s what good movies should do.


36 posted on 10/09/2008 8:24:43 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: tuckrdout; Gordon Greene

Ping to post #35.


37 posted on 10/09/2008 8:27:04 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

No doubt...

Funny stuff!


38 posted on 10/09/2008 8:29:06 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Me... I'm ignorant but I do know this; God is our only hope!)
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To: Bullish
Film making is not about pleasing everyone. Like it or not, it is an art form and an important part of our freedom of speech, that we so rightly cherish in this country.

99% of all movie uses of the F word are gratuitous and add nothing to the movie. Likewise with 99% of the nude scenes and sex scenes.

Frankly Hollywood made much better movies when they had to answer to studio censors.

39 posted on 10/09/2008 8:31:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

The original "drive-bys". Shoot 'em up, then split. Now, as then, but much worse now, they cruise our back-alleys, our roadways, our thoroughfares...

40 posted on 10/09/2008 8:36:48 PM PDT by 7MMmag
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To: Gordon Greene
Damn, but he's brave to write this!
41 posted on 10/09/2008 8:46:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: P-Marlowe
Any books you'd like to burn while you're at it?

Solution for you. Just go rent movies from the 40s and 50s and don't watch any that offend you, okay? Or even better yet, start your own movie studio and make some nice G rated movies. I wish you luck. Really.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Films have progressed or perhaps regressed into what they are today. Film studios are in the business of making money. They do that by trying to make films that people will pay money to see. Sadly our culture has become quite profane, movies these days reflect that.

Free speech means FREE speech. I'm sure you agree with that. If you don't, then this discussion is over.

42 posted on 10/09/2008 9:26:19 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Bullish
Films have progressed or perhaps regressed into what they are today.

It is a regression. Films used to stimulate more than our gonads.

Free speech means FREE speech. I'm sure you agree with that. If you don't, then this discussion is over.

I'm not calling for government censorship. I'm calling for studio self censorship and good stewardship and a realization by the studios that they can be a force for good or a force for evil. Lately they have been a force for evil IMHO. They have driven the culture war to the lowest common denominator. The F word seems to be the only adjective in most actors vocabularies. There was a time when a GREAT movie could be made and nobody took their clothes off and nobody said the F word. I watched what could have been a fairly good movie (it had a great plot and fairly decent actors), but after about the 800th F word, I decided I didn't need to pollute my mind any further. 99% of the F words were gratuitous. It seems that if someone wants to create a tough character in a movie these days, all they need to do is have that character precede every noun with the F word. There was a time when a tough guy could convince an audience that he was a tough SOB without ever uttering a single profanity. But that kind of film making was difficult. It is easier just to say "F" this and then have some bimbo rip off her clothes.

I guess I should blame the audiences.

BTW Censorship is a good thing as long as it is voluntary. Did you know that George Washington never uttered a profanity in his life. That, my friend is self control. That is no longer a virtue.

43 posted on 10/09/2008 9:48:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

btt


44 posted on 10/09/2008 10:08:45 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: P-Marlowe

Well my friend, I’ll just leave you with this going back to our original disagreement.

Jon Voight was in no way responsible for this slide into indecency that the movies have seen. His was a great performance in what I think was a great movie showing a slice of real life that most people of the day had not seen, but was very true to real life in lower class NY of the day. It was an important film, it was very thought provoking. it was excellent film making and deserved it’s Oscar, Voight and Hoffman’s performances being a big part of the reason it won.

If we didn’t have free speech, this film could have never been made. If we had censorship, (even studio self censorship) this film would never have been made, and IMO, the film world would have suffered for that. I can’t speak for Mr. Voight, but I’m pretty sure he would agree with me.

I urge you to just rent the film and watch it again. Maybe you can view it in a different light. Try to see how it shows a different world then you know, but a world that existed, nonetheless. It tells a story of pain and sadness, it also tells a story of the love of a friend for a friend.

Well, it’s late and I must say goodnight.

Take care.


45 posted on 10/09/2008 10:11:15 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: tuckrdout
Is it the actor who wrote this?

And, did he write it with John Voight's pencil?

46 posted on 10/09/2008 11:22:10 PM PDT by Defiant (With Barney Frank, a reach across the aisle just becomes a reach-around.)
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To: buccaneer81

SERENITY NOW!!!! SERENITY NOW!!!


47 posted on 10/10/2008 1:30:26 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Defiant
Either that or the “label baby Jr.”
48 posted on 10/10/2008 1:31:44 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: BigEdLB
Voigt gave a sweet and poignant portrayal of George Washingtin in “An American “Carol”

Yes .... dust on the pews and on Gen. Washington's chair, in St. Paul's Church.

Frying pan right between the eyes.

Voight was joined by James Wood, Kelsey Grammer, and Bill O'Reilly. All solid Republicans.

If you go to see it, watch out -- they like to dispense with the trailers and start the film 15 min. early, to screw with us. Several FReepers have found that out.

49 posted on 10/10/2008 2:12:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: P-Marlowe
There was a time when a tough guy could convince an audience that he was a tough SOB without ever uttering a single profanity.

When the great James Cagney came out of retirement for his last role as the cynical police commissioner in Ragtime, he followed his old rule: no profanity. Other actors used it, but he wouldn't. He still "got across", famously. He managed to put more contempt into a look, than other actors could cram into a whole string of oaths.

In his very first scene, we meet Cagney at a Vanderbilt-esque rich people's dinner party, wearing a crown of laurel like Tiberius Caesar's -- a Victorian affectation that I've only seen once in all Hollywood movie history, and Ragtime brought it to life. Cagney looked just great, and he gave a virtuoso performance.

50 posted on 10/10/2008 2:21:48 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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