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Scientists make ultrathin superconducting films (Reuters)
Yahoo! via Reuters ^ | 10/8/2008

Posted on 10/09/2008 5:24:04 AM PDT by shove_it

CHICAGO (Reuters) - U.S. researchers have developed ultrathin films that when sandwiched together form a superconductor, an advance that could lead to a new class of fast, power-saving electronics.

The films can be used at relatively high temperatures for superconductors, making them easier to handle and produce, they said on Wednesday.

"What we have done is we have put together two materials, neither of which is a superconductor, and we found their interface -- where they touch -- is superconducting," said physicist Ivan Bozovic of the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory, in a telephone interview.

"This superconducting layer is extremely thin. It is thinner than 1 nanometer, which is 1 billionth of a meter," added Bozovic, whose findings appear in the journal Nature.

"It opens vistas for further progress, including using these techniques to significantly enhance superconducting properties in other known or new superconductors."

Like their name implies, superconductors are useful because they are extremely efficient at conducting electricity...

(Excerpt) Read more at tech.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; superconductor

1 posted on 10/09/2008 5:24:04 AM PDT by shove_it
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To: shove_it

bump


2 posted on 10/09/2008 5:31:48 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: shove_it
"It opens vistas for further progress, including using these techniques to significantly enhance superconducting properties in other known or new superconductors."

In other words, there is no practical use for them, and there was no need for a press release at this time.

3 posted on 10/09/2008 5:45:18 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: shove_it
The films can be used at relatively high temperatures for superconductors

....and what ultra-low temperature is that? -100 degC?

4 posted on 10/09/2008 6:02:07 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27th Infantry Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
[....and what ultra-low temperature is that? -100 degC?]
At 50 Kelvin, the superconducting film is close to the point where it could be cooled inexpensively by liquid nitrogen, which cools to 77 Kelvin or minus 321.07 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 196.15 degrees Celsius).
 
 

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5 posted on 10/09/2008 9:16:14 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: LomanBill

Wow...such practicality. Wonder if they made this with a practical end-use in mind or just to see if they could.

I’m guessing the latter.


6 posted on 10/09/2008 10:03:26 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27th Infantry Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

Grant time ;-}


7 posted on 10/09/2008 10:22:35 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
 
[Wow...such practicality. Wonder if they made this with a practical end-use in mind or just to see if they could.]
 
You might actually try reading the article:
 
The superconductors used in a magnetic resonance imaging or MRI machine, for example, must be cooled with liquid helium to keep them at 4 on the Kelvin scale, or near absolute zero minus 452.47 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 269.15 degrees Celsius).
 
 
Per the article, liquid Nitrogen is cheaper to cool with than liquid helium
 
That practical enough for you?
 
 

8 posted on 10/09/2008 10:26:54 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: shove_it
"What we have done is we have put together two materials, neither of which is a superconductor, and we found their interface -- where they touch -- is superconducting," said physicist Ivan Bozovic of the U.S. Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory, in a telephone interview.

A very interesting result ... which, I'm guessing, could potentially have implications beyond superconduction. There's something "magic" about that interface that frees up the electrons somehow.

Wouldn't it be cool if you could find a way to acess that interface in a way that generates electricity, rather than just transmits it? (Maybe some sort of thermocouple arrangement...)

9 posted on 10/09/2008 10:31:49 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: LomanBill; ElectricStrawberry
Current superconductors (used in eg. MRI magnets) are metallic alloys; their critical temperature is around 20K. For this reason, they must be cooled with liquid helium. Liquid helium is expensive, and not getting any cheaper.

Ceramic superconductors have a critical temperature above 90K and can be cooled with liquid nitrogen. Liquid nitrogen is cheap. Unfortunately, ceramic superconductors are unsuitable for magnets; they cannot be made into wire.

These thin-film superconductors might very well be suitable for making wire (or something like wire). They might also be adaptable to use in chips. If their critical temperature can be got into the 70s K, they could be cooled with LN2 (and a sterling cryocooler). If the critical temperature could be got above 77K the cryocooler is no longer needed, straight LN2 will do.

Superconductor research has several very practical applications. There have been lots of dead ends, maybe this approach will lead somewhere.

10 posted on 10/09/2008 10:33:34 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: LomanBill

The article doesn’t say, but LN2 is about an order of magnitude cheaper to use than LHe, it’s easier to transport, easier to work with, easier to make, and comes from an essentially endless supply.


11 posted on 10/09/2008 10:35:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: r9etb
Wouldn't it be cool if you could find a way to acess that interface in a way that generates electricity, rather than just transmits it?

You mean a different version of a perpetual motion machine?

12 posted on 10/09/2008 10:49:31 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
You mean a different version of a perpetual motion machine?

Well that would be sweet, but no. Thermocouples are already used to generate electricity (e.g., in nuclear-powered spacecraft), but at very low efficiency.

What I'm thinking is that perhaps this approach could make more efficient thermocouples possible.

13 posted on 10/09/2008 11:00:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Thanks for the clarification. They seem to be unrelated. The thermocouple needs a heat source while the superconductor requires very cold temperatures.

But who know, perhaps someday they could work together. Those building these probably never envisioned the nuclear-power spacecraft.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 11:12:16 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Do you have more info on that widget? I’m a mite curious about that one.


15 posted on 10/09/2008 11:34:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Not much, I grabbed it from this page.

http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/POWER/thermoelectric/thermoelectric.htm

Scroll down for a couple actual pictures and a very brief description.


16 posted on 10/09/2008 11:40:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks!


17 posted on 10/09/2008 12:02:10 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ShadowAce; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Las Vegas Dave; Swordmaker
Ping!
18 posted on 10/11/2008 9:10:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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19 posted on 10/11/2008 2:18:57 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: shove_it
Wow. The application which suggests itself is microelectronics - possibly a computer chip which would be refrigerated via reverse thermocouple action to the 50 degrees K operating temperature, but which would have blinding fast clock rate . . .

20 posted on 10/11/2008 4:51:22 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (We come to FR to pool our skepticism.)
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